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The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:34 am

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PrymeStriker wrote:This episode (Yeah, I know I'm a week late) was one big status quo reset. I thought the writers said that status quo wouldn't be an issue this season. All of the Autobots are back together and Darkmount has collapsed within four episodes. That's how long it took Bulkhead to recover from what should've been a paralyzing shot in the back. :roll:
The Bots' base is gone, no GroundBridge, Magnus is here, Optimus has new duds and abilities, the government's become more involved and proactive in stopping the Decepticons, Shockwave's here, Predaking's on Earth (you don't really think he's gonna stay frozen forever, do you?), the Cons have access to Shockwave's experiments...

Yep, exactly like the pre-season 3 status quo. :roll:
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby njb902 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:57 am

Sabrblade wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:This episode (Yeah, I know I'm a week late) was one big status quo reset. I thought the writers said that status quo wouldn't be an issue this season. All of the Autobots are back together and Darkmount has collapsed within four episodes. That's how long it took Bulkhead to recover from what should've been a paralyzing shot in the back. :roll:
The Bots' base is gone, no GroundBridge, Magnus is here, Optimus has new duds and abilities, the government's become more involved and proactive in stopping the Decepticons, Shockwave's here, Predaking's on Earth (you don't really think he's gonna stay frozen forever, do you?), the Cons have access to Shockwave's experiments...

Yep, exactly like the pre-season 3 status quo. :roll:


Lol

Hey at least Soundwave is the same :lol:
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Henry921 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:25 pm

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njb902 wrote:Hey at least Soundwave is the same :lol:


... :-(

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Laserbeak. Never forget. :CON:


Anyway, Pryme has his point. Sure, there's new cast members and upgrades, but the loss of Darkmount after only four episodes seemed really anticlimactic. I realize we have 9 episodes for the Cons to get their edge back, but this ep, for all its good points, really did hit the reset button on a lot of interesting plot points. That and Darkmount itself was never fully explained or revealed prior to destruction, and I can only assume it didn't cyberform much of the planet in any meaningful way.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Twitchythe3rd » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:58 pm

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Though everything isn't quite the same, you have to admit the reset button did get smashed with a Deus Ex Machina sledgehammer. The status quo has been mostly restored to Pre-Darkmount status.

But anyways, I have a crackpot theory regarding the next episode. Follow me here.

We know of at least four Predacons (that aren't Predaking) via the toyline, those being Ripclaw, Laserback, Skystalker, and Grimwing.

Each of them fit into an archetype filled by an Autobot opposite.

Ripclaw - Arcee
Grimwing - Bulkhead
Skystalker - Smokescreen
Laserback - Bumblebee

Seeing how the next episode involves trying to create more Predacons, I wouldn't be surprised if these four make an appearance. I'm also probably completely wrong about all of this.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:40 am

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Twitchythe3rd wrote:Each of them fit into an archetype filled by an Autobot opposite.

Ripclaw - Arcee
Grimwing - Bulkhead
Skystalker - Smokescreen
Laserback - Bumblebee


It wouldn't (actually, it would considering the crap-toll the season has been taking thus far) surprise me if they mutated the Autobot counterparts into the Predacons. Then again, that's a waste of CGI, as they'd be back on the side of good by the end of the 22 minutes.

My money's on Lazerback appearing for the most part. All the others have okay to no chances in the series as far as I'm concerned. Also, you forgot about Vertebreak.

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Twitchythe3rd » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:04 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:
Twitchythe3rd wrote:Each of them fit into an archetype filled by an Autobot opposite.

Ripclaw - Arcee
Grimwing - Bulkhead
Skystalker - Smokescreen
Laserback - Bumblebee


It wouldn't (actually, it would considering the crap-toll the season has been taking thus far) surprise me if they mutated the Autobot counterparts into the Predacons. Then again, that's a waste of CGI, as they'd be back on the side of good by the end of the 22 minutes.

My money's on Lazerback appearing for the most part. All the others have okay to no chances in the series as far as I'm concerned. Also, you forgot about Vertebreak.

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I didn't count him since he's a redeco of Laserback.

Also, I wasn't thinking of straight mutating the Autobots into Predacons. My thought was the mentioned group of Predacons being mutated using Autobot energon samples as a twisted mirror image of them.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Henry921 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:11 pm

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I figure we'll get two more Preds rather than just one. Lazerback seems like a given, as his destructive personality would fill a gap in the current bad guy ranks. My guess to the other would be Ripclaw to add some more femmes to the total, though I really would rather it be Skystalker.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:34 pm

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As advertised, episodes 21 and 22 were skipped, with episode 23 playing on Vortexx this past Saturday. It had a grand total of 12 edits, the most edits of any episode thus far.

1. Fowler's line of "Prime, the Cons really stepped in it this time. They hit a U.S. military lab. My Boys in Green'll fend them 'til your team shows," had its "the Cons really stepped in it this time," part cut out, leaving it to play as "Prime. They hit a U.S. military lab..." Why was this cut? I don't know.

2. When Optimus spoke "Megatron, I am here. On your ship. Come and face me," into the wrist-mounted comlink of a fallen Jet Vehicon, the audio of Bulkhead grunting, groaning, and stomping around from an earlier scene in which he was carrying the heavy power source that the Cons stole from the military lab, was played along with Optimus's own dialogue, as though to give the impression that the Vehicon whose wrist Optimus was speaking into was still alive and struggling to get free of Optimus's grip, even though he was clearly dead since he collapsed in slack once Optimus let go of his arm (it also made it sound more like the Vehicon had constipation). It also doesn't help that the sound of Bulkhead's feet stomping around felt out of place since no one was walking in that scene. :roll:

3. The new commercial break played after the injured Raf was placed inside the Energon chamber and right after the chamber lit up and blinded the screen with a bright white light, coming back in when the blindness subsided and the picture gradually came back into clear view.

4. After Optimus rammed Megatron over the side of the cliff and leaped down to slam on top of him, the bit of Optimus revving the tires on his leg in Megatron's face, and Megatron grabbing Optimus by the face to throw him off of him, were cut, making it look like Megatron just swatted Prime away after he landed on Megs.

5. The first punch Optimus gives Megatron after Megatron threw him off in the previous edit had its impact censored by a quick flash of white light.

6. Same with his second punch.

7. And his fourth punch (but not the third).

8. And his fifth punch.

9. And his eighth punch.

10. And his tenth punch.

11. And his final/eleventh punch.

12. Megatron saying, "My destiny... this isn't how it's supposed to end!" had the impact of Optimus stomping his foot onto Megatron's chest also covered by a white light flash.


Also, I found an old recording of Vortexx's episode 1 and was able to go back and redo the comparison of it with the uncut version. And I'm glad I did, since I missed a lot that was changed back then.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:38 pm

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Last Friday, instead of a new episode of Transformers: Prime Beast Hunters, we were treated to an encore presentation of episode 53 as a part of a special event titled "The Autobits Edition". The episode was filled with several behind-the-scenes trivia and tidbits, as well as some in-jokes and episode commentary, which I've taken the time to write down for those who missed out on the episode.

* Back on Cybertron, Wheeljack was part of the combat unit the Wreckers.

* The citadel is 5.5 miles tall or roughly 1660 average-sized Autobots standing on each other's shoulders.

* Perhaps Starscream has a degree in Creative Writing from Cybertron Tech.

* Voice-over artist Frank Welker first played Megatron in the original 1984 series. He also voiced the original versions of Soundwave and Laserbeak.

* A Phase Shifter comes in really handy when you get locked out of your house... or cave.

* Smokescreen was once a guard for Alpha Trion, father-figure to Optimus Prime.

* Tanks.

* You're welcome.

* Megatron's really happy about his new citadel. Must have a hot oil tub.

* The speed of light is 670.616.629 miles per hour. This seems to be going a tad bit slower. -- [speaking in regards to the speed of Darkmount's fusion cannon's stream of energy it fired at the U.S. military]

* Jasper is a fictional town in Nevada.

* No real towns were destroyed in the making of this TV show.

* Robots rarely need to sit down, but when they do they prefer a big throne.

* Knock Out must be getting faster at replacing Decepticon arms. It took him an entire episode to replace Starscream's in season one.

* It's really hard to register sarcasm over the phone.

* Little known fact: Internet cat videos bring out the best in Megatron.

* Megatron enjoys backing up words with actions. Usually of the painful variety.

* Meteor showers make good cover stories. A single meteor can unleash enough energy to shatter windows.

* A load of horse pucky currently sells for about $1.20 a pound online. Plus shipping.

* Soundwave is the go-to Con for intercepting cellphone signals. He also picks up over 200 channels of commercial-free radio.

* Bumblebee and Raf became instant friends on season one. In part because Raf is the only human who understands Bee's beeps.

* But it's the clear coat that really makes him shine. -- [speaking in regards to Raf's comment about Bee's new paint job fooling enemy scanners]

* Frank Welker records actual words written for Bumblebee which are later replaced with sound effects.

* The Rocky Mountains stretch from just south of Alaska to New Mexico, covering almost 3000 miles.

* This is why it's important to wear your seatbelt. You never know when your Cybertronian SUV is going to stop suddenly.

* In Europe, Autobots drive on the other side of the road.

* Chicks dig scars -- [speaking in regards to Starscream scraping the captured Wheeljack across the chest]

* Knock Out is one of the few senior Decepticons to take an automotive form on Earth.

* Smokescreen first arrived on Earth in a stole Decepticon escape pod.

* Smokescreen has a tendency to ignore orders. Lucky for Optimus he did this time, too.

* He means "borrow". -- [speaking in regards to Smokescreen snagging up the Phase Shifter back on Cybertron]

* Across all Transformers series, comics, and movies, Optimus has been mortally wounded 16 times.

* In general, Transformers don't have a concept of gender. Arcee is one of the few female exceptions.

* In the original 1984 series, Soundwave took the form of a cassette player.

* Laserbeak was a cassette tape that popped out of Soundwave's chest.

* Arcee has the ability to project a holographic 'rider' when Jack's not on board.

* Whew, that was close. -- [referring to Jack dodging the fallen signal tower]

* This is one trailer that Optimus is never going to tow -- [because the Cons wrecked it]

* Worst. Riddle. Ever.

* Vehicons come in several varieties. These guys transformed from Cybertronian jets. It might be a good time to change back.

* So we're all aware that this is Jack's fault, right?

* This is Cybertron. It's the original home planet of the Autobots and the Decepticons. It used to look a lot nicer than this.

* The Apex Armor is one of the relics of the Thirteen Original Primes. While wearing it a Transformer is nearly indestructible.

* The AllSpark is the mystical energy that gives all Autobots and Decepticons life.

* A spacebridge allows Decepticons to travel between two points in space. Ratchet developed the scaled-down GroundBridge for Autobot use on Earth.

* Enter Shockwave.

* He is definitely not a good guy.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Henry921 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:47 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:* Enter Shockwave.

* He is definitely not a good guy.


:-(

The guy who prioritizes the health and safety of Cybertron above all else is not a good guy?

No more of this Autobot propaganda. Just give me new eps instead. [-(
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:50 pm

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Henry921 wrote:The guy who prioritizes the health and safety of Cybertron above all else is not a good guy?
Not like he really did much of a good job at it, what with Cybertron being deader than dead (all thanks to his master, whom he loyally helped kill the planet).
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Henry921 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:56 pm

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Maybe I'm biased towards the video game interpretation there; it's how High Moon Studios described him.

I don't know what it says about Shocky in the Binder of Revelation, but his characterization in the TV show is mostly about scientific research and pointing out whether things are logical or not. His toy bio is frustratingly vague and his included fiction is all about swaying the Predacons to his side. It's not a lot to go on.

With that characterization, I'd still say a guy who basically just lives to further scientific knowledge -regardless of unneeded scruples like 'morality'- is not a villain.

From what I've seen of the show, Megatron's the only true villain, which makes his backstory as a fallen political hero all the more tragic.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby VirusCarnage » Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:00 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:4. After Optimus rammed Megatron over the side of the cliff and leaped down to slam on top of him, the bit of Optimus revving the tires on his leg in Megatron's face, and Megatron grabbing Optimus by the face to throw him off of him, were cut, making it look like Megatron just swatted Prime away after he landed on Megs.


I don't mind that one, I actually would it rather been like that in the original as I found it stupid lol
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:04 pm

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Henry921 wrote:Maybe I'm biased towards the video game interpretation there; it's how High Moon Studios described him.

I don't know what it says about Shocky in the Binder of Revelation, but his characterization in the TV show is mostly about scientific research and pointing out whether things are logical or not. His toy bio is frustratingly vague and his included fiction is all about swaying the Predacons to his side. It's not a lot to go on.

With that characterization, I'd still say a guy who basically just lives to further scientific knowledge -regardless of unneeded scruples like 'morality'- is not a villain.

From what I've seen of the show, Megatron's the only true villain, which makes his backstory as a fallen political hero all the more tragic.
I am talking about the game. In there, he's a loyal Con whom Megatron appreciates, and when Megatron infected the planet, Shockwave did not object.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Henry921 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:09 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:I am talking about the game. In there, he's a loyal Con whom Megatron appreciates, and when Megatron infected the planet, Shockwave did not object.


In the first game Shockwave was only available for multiplayer and Escalation. Unless he was retroactively the narrator (as has been suggested), he played no part in the campaign.

In Fall of Cybertron he was searching for an Energon supply to reboot the core of Cybertron. After Starscream wasted it all, Shockwave charted a course to Earth with a space bridge so he could use the natural energy sources there to restore the planet. As Megatron was the only one who could control the Dark Energon and had previously used it to empower the Decepticons, it's possible Shockwave didn't know what it did until AFTER the planet had been corrupted, or that he thought he could reverse the damage after the fact.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:04 pm

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Henry921 wrote:In Fall of Cybertron he was searching for an Energon supply to reboot the core of Cybertron. After Starscream wasted it all, Shockwave charted a course to Earth with a space bridge so he could use the natural energy sources there to restore the planet. As Megatron was the only one who could control the Dark Energon and had previously used it to empower the Decepticons, it's possible Shockwave didn't know what it did until AFTER the planet had been corrupted, or that he thought he could reverse the damage after the fact.
He still didn't show any objections towards Megatron despite Megatron having infected the core, which had become public knowledge by the point of the FOC's point in time.

It was kinda like he was like "You ruined our homeworld, but I still hail you with all my spark." :P
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Henry921 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:36 am

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Sabrblade wrote:He still didn't show any objections towards Megatron despite Megatron having infected the core, which had become public knowledge by the point of the FOC's point in time.

It was kinda like he was like "You ruined our homeworld, but I still hail you with all my spark." :P


Well, yeah, because while Cybertron's core WAS poisoned, it was still active. Optimus and his team were the ones who shut it down, not Megatron.

So, for however many hours/days between Megatron reaching the core and Optimus going down to shut it off, the planet was still functioning but the Decepticons were in a position of power. Shockwave's absence from the campaign leaves us no real insight to how he felt, whereas he spends the majority of his significant screen time in Fall of Cybertron trying to reboot the planet with a sufficient energy source. After finding a suitable planet, he tests Cybertronians by giving them alt modes based on the local fauna to see if it's suitable for habitation, and worked with and studied the Insecticons, who could use things besides Energon to power themselves.

Cybertron may have been full of corrupt purple spikes, but prior to the Autobots' actions, the world was still functioning. And after the Core went silent, Shockwave attempted to restore it, ignoring the orders of Starscream, who wasted the Energon building monuments to himself, and actively worked with Megatron, who DID agree to using the energy to reboot Cybertron.

Perhaps it was loyalty, but it was logical.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:23 am

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Henry921 wrote:Well, yeah, because while Cybertron's core WAS poisoned, it was still active. Optimus and his team were the ones who shut it down, not Megatron.


Active...but spreading Dark Energon everywhere. Optimus didn't shut down the core, either, it shut itself down after Optimus stopped it from being fed Dark Energon.

And no, Shockwave is not a good guy by any stretch of the imagination. Experimenting on live, unwilling test subjects isn't exactly "good guy" behavior.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:58 am

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I wonder if the DS version of WFC would have any insight on Shockwave during the events of that point in time, since he's in the campaign version of that game, IIRC.

Though, there's also the Exodus version in which he spent most of his time experimenting with Dark Energon and working to turn Trypticon Station into a living monster. ;)
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Henry921 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:00 pm

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Shadowman wrote:Active...but spreading Dark Energon everywhere. Optimus didn't shut down the core, either, it shut itself down after Optimus stopped it from being fed Dark Energon.

And no, Shockwave is not a good guy by any stretch of the imagination. Experimenting on live, unwilling test subjects isn't exactly "good guy" behavior.


Like I said, everything for the betterment of scientific knowledge, without scruples like "morality".

As for the core, from the Decepticon perspective, things were fine and dandy until Optimus went down there, and suddenly the energon stopped flowing. Sure there was Dark Energon pouring through the planet, but the 'Cons themselves had received a power boost from it.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:58 pm

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Henry921 wrote:As for the core, from the Decepticon perspective, things were fine and dandy until Optimus went down there, and suddenly the energon stopped flowing. Sure there was Dark Energon pouring through the planet, but the 'Cons themselves had received a power boost from it.
Wouldn't have had to have been shut off if Megs hadn't messed with it.

The planet was dying thanks to him. Granted, he obviously didn't realize that until after the matter (since in TF: Prime he regrets having been so reckless as to destroy Cybertron), but still.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:28 am

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Henry921 wrote:Like I said, everything for the betterment of scientific knowledge, without scruples like "morality".


...that doesn't make him good, "no morality" is the definition of evil.

Henry921 wrote:As for the core, from the Decepticon perspective, things were fine and dandy until Optimus went down there, and suddenly the energon stopped flowing. Sure there was Dark Energon pouring through the planet, but the 'Cons themselves had received a power boost from it.


It was the caustic blood of a Dark God destroying the planet from within. Shutting down was the better plan.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Henry921 » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:27 pm

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Shadowman wrote:
Henry921 wrote:Like I said, everything for the betterment of scientific knowledge, without scruples like "morality".


...that doesn't make him good, "no morality" is the definition of evil.


Nay, it is the definition of ambivalence. Evil, I would argue, requires action. To borrow a TV tropes term, I'd see Shockwave as a Well Intentioned Extremist rather than an outright villain.

But what started as me cracking wise at Sabrblade's Autobot propaganda has devolved into a discussion about Shockwave from what Hasbro pretends to be one continuity full of divergent characterizations. I think it best we agree to disagree and go on to focus on the cartoon (maybe make a separate WFC/FOC thread?)



Oh, and Sabr: In the DS game Shockwave was conscripted into the Decepticon ranks after Megatron defeated him in battle, and Shocky agreed to serve Megs as both his warrior and his scientist. He followed Megatron because Megatron was stronger than he was, as is only logical.
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