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[King Kuuga]

I recommend the Kotobukiya M.S.G. Weapon Unit 20 Gatling Gun and process' 5mm adapter. I've already got one for Skyquake, once I find him.

I'll probably just wait for someone on Shapeways to make a show-accurate one, like they did for Skyquake and Dreadwing's guns.
Although for only 600 yen, maybe I'll jump on that after all. Hmm.

[budmaloney]

Just saw Rebellion, and I'm reminded once again that this show is designed to sell toys and for kids.

They couldn't do it. They couldn't kill that punk Optimus. He has to come back like a jerk and ruin everything. Defy plot, defy logic. And just come back and save the day.

Same as Bay movies. Prime is immune to everything. Now he has a friggin minigun!

Not that I wasn't expecting this. No transformers story will ever yield to Decepticons or let them have a good time. They can't, Hasrbo is not capable of doing it. It's actually funny, they cannot.

Once again they could have made this show awesome, had they let Prime go.

Not only did he ruin Cybertron's fate AGAIN! First he destroys the Omega key ruining any chance of saving Cybertron. For 3 human lives. And now they ruin that same exact chance when it comes back. Taking credibility away from the threat to Cybertron. Oh don't worry , there will always be a Forge or some magic item that would restore Cybertron, we just haven't told you about it yet.

"Is the future of our race not worth a single human life?" replace it with 3 human lives, or even 1 cybertronian life.

Ratchet was out of character, he commended Smokescreen on giving the forge to Prime, when in end of Season 2, he practically lost it at the loss of the Omega key.

He should have rolled his eyes and said, "oh you brought this guy back"... instead of bringing back say ...the entire Cybertronian homeworld and their race!

This time with the forge, the Autobots could have traveled back to Cybertron and repaired the key with no interference from anyone. Granted it would only be Ratchet and Smokescreen alive. But they would revive Cybertron. Having a new Cybertron will have new Cybertronians, who may be educated about the great war and not repeat it. Perhaps even come back to Earth and stop Megatron.

Sigh. I know it's a kids show. I know! But I just hate seeing Prime plot shielded like that.

Good episode...I guess...whatever....TFP has been demoted from Epic to cartoon status.

Maybe fan fiction can fill this void.

[burning_sirius]

Ratchet really relied on Optimus even if disagreed with him. He was just being emotional as he invested all his hope in the keys and the Omega Lock. Optimus didn't destroy the Lock because of the 3 kids but to save EARTH that was being cyberformed. He didn't want yet ANOTHER planet destroyed because of the Autobot/Decepticon war so he did the only thing he could! It was very brave of him to do so!! Also, fixing Cybertron wasn't got be a quick fix like finding some McGuffin keys and BAM new Cybertron. If the Omega Lock was built, it can be rebuilt.

Now it is time to destroy the Decepticons once and for all. It is the least Optimus can do.

[Va'al]

Ultra Magnus is/was the Wrecker commander, but after seeing so much senseless death and especially after losing so many Autobots he met, he doesn't want to see anyone die. That is why he fought Megatron alone. Wheeljack is a bit crazy in his 'Wrecker style' approach. Ultra Magnus doesn't want to lose any more Autobots because of 'Wrecker style'.

Surely you mean... he couldn't deal with it, and still can't!
I liked how that line was sneaked in.

[Shelf Space]

Seeing Optimus and Megatron dogfighting round Darkmount was a quietly awesome moment for me... diggin the roided up Op, wonder if his Alt. mode will have the wings become a trailer or...?

[Zenith Prime 09]

Rebellion was awesome but I was really hoping Optimus stayed gone for a little while so a new Prime could be chosen, no one knew for sure it would be Smokescreen that was chosen. It could've found a Autobot we haven't seen in the show yet, or even Ultra Magnus. Also Optimus getting a beast hunter upgrade didn't really make since being that he hadn't encountered the Predacon yet, he could've just had his old body rebuilt, then got the upgrade when he actually fought Predaking. I feel that in the next few episodes Predaking will probably kill Ultra Magnus being he is odd man out, and I was quite dissapointed with his performance against Megatron, I thought he would do better in a fight given his size but Megatron pretty much had his way with him.

[Zenith Prime 09]

Rebellion was awesome but I was really hoping Optimus stayed gone for a little while so a new Prime could be chosen, no one knew for sure it would be Smokescreen that was chosen. It could've found a Autobot we haven't seen in the show yet, or even Ultra Magnus. Also Optimus getting a beast hunter upgrade didn't really make since being that he hadn't encountered the Predacon yet, he could've just had his old body rebuilt, then got the upgrade when he actually fought Predaking. I feel that in the next few episodes Predaking will probably kill Ultra Magnus being he is odd man out, and I was quite dissapointed with his performance against Megatron, I thought he would do better in a fight given his size but Megatron pretty much had his way with him.[spoiler]

[Noideaforaname]

Just saw Rebellion, and I'm reminded once again that this show is designed to sell toys and for kids.

And yet look at all the things that don't have toys for some reason. The Relics? Nope. The new weapons? Nope. UM's ship? Nope. The Nemesis? Nope. Jet Vehicons and their silver repaint? Takara-only. The Miner Vehicons? Nope. Insecticons? Just Cyberverse, and green for some reason. Black Bumblebee? Again, just Cyberverse (which is utterly baffling considering who it is).


At least UM, Shockwave, Predaking, and New Optimus are getting (multiple) toys.

[Shadowman]

Okay, now even I'm starting to get annoyed by this. The Autobots managed to get Ultra Magnus, his ship, tons of new gear from his ship, and Jackie presumably joining Team Prime full-time. The Decepticons got Darkmount, Shockwave, and the Predacon...and by the last episode they lost two-thirds of that.

I was okay with the Decepticons constantly being on the losing end of the Status Quo, but now it's just getting ridiculous.

Jeez.

On the flip side, anyone else find it kind of funny Ultra Magnus doesn't want to use the term "Omega Beam?" Considering who's voicing him...

[King Kuuga]

And yet look at all the things that don't have toys for some reason. The Relics? Nope. The new weapons? Nope. UM's ship? Nope. The Nemesis? Nope. Jet Vehicons and their silver repaint? Takara-only. The Miner Vehicons? Nope. Insecticons? Just Cyberverse, and green for some reason. Black Bumblebee? Again, just Cyberverse (which is utterly baffling considering who it is).

Even Cyberverse Quickblade Bumblebee doesn't exactly match up to his new paint job in the show. I expect Takara will probably redeco the FE or RID toy appropriately, but I'm not sure about Hasbro.

[Sabrblade]

They couldn't do it. They couldn't kill that punk Optimus. He has to come back like a jerk and ruin everything. Defy plot, defy logic. And just come back and save the day.

Same as Bay movies. Prime is immune to everything. Now he has a friggin minigun!

Not that I wasn't expecting this. No transformers story will ever yield to Decepticons or let them have a good time. They can't, Hasrbo is not capable of doing it. It's actually funny, they cannot.

No offense, but...

Once again they could have made this show awesome, had they let Prime go.

Not only did he ruin Cybertron's fate AGAIN!

Can't "ruin" what's already dead, buddy.

First he destroys the Omega key

Omega Lock.

ruining any chance of saving Cybertron. For 3 human lives.

3 + billions more on Earth.

And now they ruin that same exact chance when it comes back. Taking credibility away from the threat to Cybertron.

What threat? Cybertron's already a lifeless, abandoned, husk of a planet.

Oh don't worry , there will always be a Forge or some magic item that would restore Cybertron, we just haven't told you about it yet.

So, you complain about them not being able to restore the dead planet, and will again when they can? There's no leasing you, is there?

"Is the future of our race not worth a single human life?" replace it with 3 human lives, or even 1 cybertronian life.

Nothing Cybertronian was ever at stake. The only things that were ever in jeopardy with the Omega Beam were billions and billions of innocent human lives and a political advantage. To say that an entire world of lifelessness is worth more than at least the former is a heartless and cruel thing to say.

Ratchet was out of character, he commended Smokescreen on giving the forge to Prime, when in end of Season 2, he practically lost it at the loss of the Omega key.

Shows that he's finally thinking rationally isntead of being the selfish jerk that he was before. Had he been there on Cybertron with them during the scuffle with the Omega Lock, he would have understood what was done back then was necessary and wouldn't have spoken out of line like he did.

He should have rolled his eyes and said, "oh you brought this guy back"... instead of bringing back say ...the entire Cybertronian homeworld and their race!

1. Optimus is one of Ratchet's oldest and good friends. You really think Ratchet's that cold to want his friend dead?
2. Restoring the planet won't restore the race. Word's gotta get out first that the planet is healed before everyone can start heading back home. And with thousands of years having passed since the Great Exodus, there's no way everyone's gonna all come back at once. Anyone thinking that simply healing the planet will restore the entire race back to its glory days is fooling themselves.

This time with the forge, the Autobots could have traveled back to Cybertron and repaired the key with no interference from anyone.

Um, no. The Cons are the only ones with access to a space bridge. The Autobots would have to go through them first, and they would most definitely provide plenty of "interference".

Granted it would only be Ratchet and Smokescreen alive. But they would revive Cybertron. Having a new Cybertron will have new Cybertronians, who may be educated about the great war and not repeat it. Perhaps even come back to Earth and stop Megatron.

Like I said, it is far from that easy. To think otherwise is a pipe dream.

[Sabrblade]

They did it! They actually did it! Vortexx went and completely SKIPPED a whole episode! Episode 19 did not air! They instead showed 20, and did not take out any of the references to episode 19 that were in episode 20! That is just pathetic!

Anywho, episode 20 (grrr!) had six edits.

1. The exchange between Airachnid and Starscream in which she says "You snuffed an Autobot?" and he says "Yes I did. Without mercy," was cut.

2. Airachnid's line to Arcee of "Speaking of, add any more deceased partners to your growing list?" was cut off after "Speaking of," leaving only those two words intact.

3. Arcee's line to Optimus of "Even Bot killers? Even Airachnid?" had its "Even Bot killers?" part cut out.

4. The flashback to Cliffjumper's death had the shot of Starscream's impaling him in the chest (the very SAME impalement shot that was NOT cut out back in the edited version of episode 1) cut out.

5. This next cut was just weird. After Airachnid gloats to Bumblebee about how the frozen Optimus would probably be adorned in the Decepticon ship like a trophy, she fires a few shots at the rocks nearby to where Bumblebee is hiding from her. After the first couple of shots, the camera shifts a bit to look more at Bumblebee, who then notices something in front of himself. The camera turns to see what he's looking at, which is another large rock structure that's taking some laser fire from Airachnid, and then proceeds to crumble and fall towards Bee, prompting him to fire back at the debris and stir up a large dust cloud. The quick bit of us getting a better look at Bee and both him and the camera turning to look at the rocks in front of him take enemy fire (as detailed in the underlined text was cut. Goodness know why, though!

6. After the injured Arcee says to Starscream, "This... is for CLIFJUMPER!" and lashes back at him, striking him three times, she uses her elbow to knock him to the ground. This is where the new commercial break played, coming back in right where it left off with Starscream telling Arcee that she might as well kill him since his fate is sealed anyway.


And, as if skipping one episode wasn't bad enough, the preview for next week's episode showed that they're skipping the next TWO episodes (which are the Synthetic Energon episodes) and going right into episode 23 ("One Shall Fall")! For spark's sake, Vortexx! What is WRONG with you?!

[Rex Prime]

2. Restoring the planet won't restore the race. Word's gotta get out first that the planet is healed before everyone can start heading back home. And with thousands of years having passed since the Great Exodus, there's no way everyone's gonna all come back at once. Anyone thinking that simply healing the planet will restore the entire race back to its glory days is fooling themselves.

But what about the Allspark, I am sure that what happened in Exodus and Exiles isn't incorporated to Prime, if the planet is restored, the Allspark may be restored too, and it will start making new Transformers....thus maybe some glory there..but many bad stuff might happen if we think of the possibilities, they may become decepticons/autobots, the numbers of the autobots and decepticons would increase (Autotroopers!) and it will grab the attention of all bots around the galaxy, thus reuniting the bots back to cybertron and we could have some awesome autobots vs decepticons skirmishes!

[Sabrblade]

But what about the Allspark, I am sure that what happened in Exodus and Exiles isn't incorporated to Prime, if the planet is restored, the Allspark may be restored too, and it will start making new Transformers....thus maybe some glory there..but many bad stuff might happen if we think of the possibilities, they may become decepticons/autobots, the numbers of the autobots and decepticons would increase (Autotroopers!) and it will grab the attention of all bots around the galaxy, thus reuniting the bots back to cybertron and we could have some awesome autobots vs decepticons skirmishes!

Well, since the show itself hasn't really gone into what the AllSpark is like in this series, it's tough to say for sure how it might play into this.

Though the Omega Lock was described as a conduit for the AllSpark, the Omega Beam seem to affect the planet and its structures moreso than not. I mean, if the AllSpark is indeed restored, then that'd be great. But, the show itself has yet to really go into what the AllSpark is in this show, and all other info we have on it comes form outside sources like the movieverse media, the Animated media, and (the only other Aligned material beside the show) the Alex Irvine novels.

And, as far as those novels not being incorporated into Prime, though the show obviously isn't beholden to them in any strict manner, the show did seem to go out of its way to base its entire season 1 finale on key events from the first book (as well as also making an effort to use a design from WFC in the finale as well). It could have told any kind of histories that it wanted to, yet the show chose event specific to Exodus for its finale. So, despite not being 100% in cohesion with one another, the show and books still bear a connection to a certain degree.

[Sabrblade]

Found this nice theory about Magnus:

The can't deal with Wrecker's style comment also annoyed me at first, as it makes Ultra Magnus sound like he wasn't the unstoppable Wrecker Commander of lore and also references his most tired cliche, but ignoring the cliche, I found what he said really wasn't incompatible with his portrayal in the novels. The Wreckers are known to be disbanded, and Wheeljack at least has no love for the guy. Perhaps Magnus disbanded the Wreckers BECAUSE he disliked the reckless maverick getting themselves killed style that his team had developed. While he may have led a daring commando team that got things done and held battlefields, that doesn't mean that he did it by being as stragegyless and reckless as Wheeljack often is.

Something in future episodes may make it irretrievably clear that the novels Magnus can be discarded, but I don't feel we've reached that point yet.

Also found this other fan theory that may cheer up those bummed about Optimus not dying:

Here's my "what a tweest!" theory.

Optimus Prime didn't quite act like himself. He acted like an exaggerated, hero-worship version of himself. He acted kind of like Smokescreen IMAGINES him to be, much like his new body is over the top awesome like a fanboy would think of Optimus Prime.

Smokescreen didn't save Optimus Prime in time. He managed to activate the Forge of Solus Prime, but it wasn't Optimus it was reacting to. The Matrix has already passed to Smokescreen, and he has to live with the burden of being Prime but not letting anyone know about it, because they're all expecting Optimus Prime.

Well, he gave them Optimus Prime. He may not even have realized what he was doing, but he used the Forge to essentially create Optimus and bring him to life out of his dead body. He's strong, and heroic, and basically everything Smokescreen believes he should be, and nobody is in a position to question that because Optimus did what everyone expected him to: save the day.

[VirusCarnage]

Also found this other fan theory that may cheer up those bummed about Optimus not dying:

Here's my "what a tweest!" theory.

Optimus Prime didn't quite act like himself. He acted like an exaggerated, hero-worship version of himself. He acted kind of like Smokescreen IMAGINES him to be, much like his new body is over the top awesome like a fanboy would think of Optimus Prime.

Smokescreen didn't save Optimus Prime in time. He managed to activate the Forge of Solus Prime, but it wasn't Optimus it was reacting to. The Matrix has already passed to Smokescreen, and he has to live with the burden of being Prime but not letting anyone know about it, because they're all expecting Optimus Prime.

Well, he gave them Optimus Prime. He may not even have realized what he was doing, but he used the Forge to essentially create Optimus and bring him to life out of his dead body. He's strong, and heroic, and basically everything Smokescreen believes he should be, and nobody is in a position to question that because Optimus did what everyone expected him to: save the day.

I would buy this if it were to be incorporated in the show.

[King Kuuga]

It's a nice crack theory, but I don't think they're gonna go that route. It's more likely that Hasbro said "Make us a new Optimus Prime that we can use as a toy". Or Hasbro said "Here's new Optimus Prime. Use him in the show." Either way, I'm pretty sure it's the real Optimus.

[Henry921]

Makes me wonder if there's an alternate power source that can restore the Forge so the Forge can restore the Omega Lock so the Omega Lock can restore Cybertron so Cybertron can be restored!

That said, Magnus commits another faux pas and makes it harder to reconcile with earlier continuity in the Exodus and Exiles novels, implying he wasn't leader of the Wreckers. I know Sabrblade will strain for a way to explain this, and that'll be great fun to watch.

Shockwave is so cool, he makes walking look badass. And he acquitted himself well, considering he beat two Wreckers by himself and then battled four Autobots single-handed without noticeable damage. This ep was clearly meant as a power showcase for Optimus, but Shockwave got to show his skills too. Seems the only new toy character having a rough go of it was Magnus (though to be fair he went mano-y-mano with Megatron).

[King Kuuga]

That said, Magnus commits another faux pas and makes it harder to reconcile with earlier continuity in the Exodus and Exiles novels, implying he wasn't leader of the Wreckers. I know Sabrblade will strain for a way to explain this, and that'll be great fun to watch.

He already did, a few pages ago.

What the--! Ultra Magnus couldn't deal with "Wrecker-style" back on Cybertron (and refuses to deal with it here)? Oh, slag no! SLAG, no! Not only did they have the gall to homage the dreadful "I can't deal with that now!" line from the G1 movie (twice in one sentence, even), but they completely botched up the character that Aligned Ultra Magnus has been established to be prior to now. Thank you, TF: Prime. Thank you for giving a proverbial middle finger to canon. You clearly show that you truly care about the lore you've been basing this entire show around by outright insulting it. Up yours, TF: Prime.

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Seibertron, myself, and others concluded he simply meant he didn't approve of his troops being reckless in the name of "Wrecker Style". Like it's a concept they came up with in spite of him, rather than him not being the leader of the Wreckers.

[Burn]

That said, Magnus commits another faux pas and makes it harder to reconcile with earlier continuity in the Exodus and Exiles novels, implying he wasn't leader of the Wreckers.

But in all seriousness, what's the point in trying to tie it to the novels other than Hasbro saying "Yep! It's gonna be all aligned!"

If that were the case, the books would have been more accessible to a greater audience, and in particular, the audience the show is aimed at.

Shockwave is so cool, he makes walking look badass.

And landing! Bloody hell, if I jump down from a two step ladder i'd probably destroy my knees. He makes it look so damn easy!

[Henry921]

But in all seriousness, what's the point in trying to tie it to the novels other than Hasbro saying "Yep! It's gonna be all aligned!"

If that were the case, the books would have been more accessible to a greater audience, and in particular, the audience the show is aimed at.

I really don't see why we can't take the Beast Wars approach here and have micro-continuities separate from the "main" timeline of the Prime cartoon, with a few separate timelines for the High Moon Cybertron games and the Irvine novels and the Tales of Beast Hunters fiction in the toyline.

[Draco_Magnus]

well, i gotta admit, i was impressed with the latest episode of beast hunters. i knew they wouldn't let prime die that easy. this hasn't been the first "short optimus prime death". let us not forget in tfa, where prime died only to be restored by sari's allspark infused key, and in rotf where after being impaled and shot from behind by megatron's fusion cannon, ok, so the Forge was the only thing that could restore the Omega Lock, thus restore Cybertron. C'mon fans we should be grateful. because if you've been a true transformers fan like myself, who's been a fan since the first episode of g1 in 1984. you would know deep down inside that there is only one true leader of the autobots, and that leader is Optimus Prime. I say this upgrade for Optimus could have it's advantages. Think of it as "Prime gone badass". because the fact that he mopped the floor with the vehicons with a minigun, plus the fact that he kicked Megatron's butt in the sky, thus shutting down Darkmount's fusion cannons was really awesome. can't wait to see more episodes!

[VirusCarnage]

I really liked this episode I thought it had a good mix of dialogue and action but I think for the fighting scene if Optimus wouldve had SmokeScreen on optimus, back and him and SmokeScreen took out like 50 vehicons but that's just me.

Overall I think it was the best episode in the series kinda sucks that it won't be back until like May or something like that tho.

[Sabrblade]

That said, Magnus commits another faux pas and makes it harder to reconcile with earlier continuity in the Exodus and Exiles novels, implying he wasn't leader of the Wreckers. I know Sabrblade will strain for a way to explain this, and that'll be great fun to watch.

He already did, a few pages ago.

What the--! Ultra Magnus couldn't deal with "Wrecker-style" back on Cybertron (and refuses to deal with it here)? Oh, slag no! SLAG, no! Not only did they have the gall to homage the dreadful "I can't deal with that now!" line from the G1 movie (twice in one sentence, even), but they completely botched up the character that Aligned Ultra Magnus has been established to be prior to now. Thank you, TF: Prime. Thank you for giving a proverbial middle finger to canon. You clearly show that you truly care about the lore you've been basing this entire show around by outright insulting it. Up yours, TF: Prime.

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Seibertron, myself, and others concluded he simply meant he didn't approve of his troops being reckless in the name of "Wrecker Style". Like it's a concept they came up with in spite of him, rather than him not being the leader of the Wreckers.

There's also that nice fan theory I posted at the bottom of Page 429.

But in all seriousness, what's the point in trying to tie it to the novels other than Hasbro saying "Yep! It's gonna be all aligned!"

If that were the case, the books would have been more accessible to a greater audience, and in particular, the audience the show is aimed at.

Well, how much more accessable could they be? I mean, they're books. They're still available at local bookstores like Barnes and Noble (saw both of them still there last time I went). It not like they can put a book on TV like they can a cartoon.

Shockwave is so cool, he makes walking look badass.

And landing! Bloody hell, if I jump down from a two step ladder i'd probably destroy my knees. He makes it look so damn easy!

Shocky's such a showoff.

a true transformers fan

There's no such thing.

you would know deep down inside that there is only one true leader of the autobots, and that leader is Optimus Prime.

Grimlock sad. As are Ultra Msgnus, Rodimus Prime, Fortress Maximus, Ginrai, Star Saber, Dai Atlas, Fire Convoy, Armada Hot Shot, Animated Ultra Magnus, Sentinel Zeta Prime, and many others.

I really liked this episode I thought it had a good mix of dialogue and action but I think for the fighting scene if Optimus wouldve had SmokeScreen on optimus, back and him and SmokeScreen took out like 50 vehicons but that's just me.

To be honest, when I first saw Optimus come flying in and landing in the fortress, I thought for sure that Smokescreen was riding on his back. But, I guess it was just the jetpack detail instead.

[Burn]

Well, how much more accessable could they be? I mean, they're books. They're still available at local bookstores like Barnes and Noble (saw both of them still there last time I went). It not like they can put a book on TV like they can a cartoon.\

The target audience of the books =/= the target audience of the cartoon.