The Energon Pub

[Skywarp64]

I guess what Im trying to say is that if someone in todays time is gonna write about what happened before they came to earth then should look at G1 as a blueprint and use that to dictate what the write about instead of changing everything as if G1 didnt really happen.

In the eyes of the creators of new continuitues, it DIDN'T really happen. Artistic license, they can do what they bloody well like with G1.

[NiteStar]

I guess what Im trying to say is that if someone in todays time is gonna write about what happened before they came to earth then should look at G1 as a blueprint and use that to dictate what the write about instead of changing everything as if G1 didnt really happen.

In the eyes of the creators of new continuitues, it DIDN'T really happen. Artistic license, they can do what they bloody well like with G1.

Thats what irritates me. It laid the foreground. Its the reason they are millionaires to this day. Why do they dismiss it?

[WasPWNator]

I guess what Im trying to say is that if someone in todays time is gonna write about what happened before they came to earth then should look at G1 as a blueprint and use that to dictate what the write about instead of changing everything as if G1 didnt really happen.

In the eyes of the creators of new continuitues, it DIDN'T really happen. Artistic license, they can do what they bloody well like with G1.

Thats what irritates me. It laid the foreground. Its the reason they are millionaires to this day. Why do they dismiss it?

They're not exactly dismissing it, I think artistic license is definitely the right term... http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Aligned_continuity_family

[Sabrblade]

NiteStar, Exodus is NOT canon to G1. Exodus has NOTHING to do with G1. It did NOT tell the story of the war before they came to Earth in G1, it instead told the story of the war before they came to Earth in PRIME. And that story is far from complete. Exodus is only the first chapter of the pre-Earth war story, since Exiles picks up after it and continues the war with it set on the lost Cybertronian colony worlds like Velocitron and Gigantion. and then there's still millions and millions of years of war stories to be told before the event of the Prime cartoon even begin!

Exodus is as much connected to G1 as the Movies, Unicron Trilogy, and Animated are.

The G1 cartoon is not the end all, be all, Word of God version of the Transformers franchise. You claim that the Combaticons' history in Exodus defies their origin in the G1 cartoon, yet their G1 cartoon origin itself defies their origin in the G1 Marvel Comics, in which they were created on Earth by Megatron and implied to have been born from the stolen power of the Creation Matrix just as the Stunticons were. And even before that, they were seen in a Marvel UK comic story in which they were seen in a Matrix-induced vision inside Buster Witwicky's mind.

Also, if you've got a problem with different continuities, well, tough. There's over 75,890,007 realities, and we're stuck with them.

[Shadowman]

What are you talking about? This isn't G1, they don't have to reuse it's stories.

So then theres no consistency to anything. Its all just made up from one year to the next. Make a new series, then scrap it, make another new series, then scrap it, make a comic book series, then scrap it, make a some movies, then scrap it.[/quote]

Have you been paying attention to this franchise at all for the past decade? Because that's what they've been doing. It's not that they want to ignore what happened before, it's that some writers want to start with a fresh slate and no canon to bog them down. Gundam does the exact same thing, and Final Fantasy has practically made it into a feature. It was never about connecting anything, and I'm amazed someone exists who still believes that anything after Beast Machines was meant to connect to G1.

What the hell are we doing here then if nothing connects and G1 is constantly dismissed.

Enjoying new takes on our favorite series. I thought that was obvious.

[OptiMagnus]

Honestly, why does EVERY SINGLE SLAGGING CONTINUITY have to use Generation 1 as its basis? Are the writers never allowed to stray away from G1?

This has happened for years on end and still people act like it's happening for the first time.

And then there are the others that Transformers as a unit is ONE storyline...don't get me started.

[Sabrblade]

And then there are the others that Transformers as a unit is ONE storyline...don't get me started.

I know EXACTLY how you feel, man. I work with someone who's fanon is just like this, and holds it over what's canon.

[DarkEnergon]

I don't know why I love this show so much, there are so many things I pick apart the more I think about it But sooo glad to see Starscream come back in Partners!

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I guess what Im trying to say is that if someone in todays time is gonna write about what happened before they came to earth then should look at G1 as a blueprint and use that to dictate what the write about instead of changing everything as if G1 didnt really happen.

In the eyes of the creators of new continuitues, it DIDN'T really happen. Artistic license, they can do what they bloody well like with G1.

Thats what irritates me. It laid the foreground. Its the reason they are millionaires to this day. Why do they dismiss it?

How are they "dismissing" G1?

We get G1 homages in just about every toyline.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

yet their G1 cartoon origin itself defies their origin in the G1 Marvel Comics, in which they were created on Earth by Megatron and implied to have been born from the stolen power of the Creation Matrix just as the Stunticons were.

Umm, I think your a bit mistaken about that.Unless your talking about the UK books

From what I remember of Marvels Us G1, the Combaticons asnd Protectibots just appare with no explanation of how or when they were created.

And no "implication" that it was done with stolen Matrix energy either.

Also, if you've got a problem with different continuities, well, tough. There's over 75,890,007 realities, and we're stuck with them.

How did you come up with that number?

[Dead Metal]

yet their G1 cartoon origin itself defies their origin in the G1 Marvel Comics, in which they were created on Earth by Megatron and implied to have been born from the stolen power of the Creation Matrix just as the Stunticons were.

Umm, I think your a bit mistaken about that.Unless your talking about the UK books

From what I remember of Marvels Us G1, the Combaticons asnd Protectibots just appare with no explanation of how or when they were created.

And no "implication" that it was done with stolen Matrix energy either.

Also, if you've got a problem with different continuities, well, tough. There's over 75,890,007 realities, and we're stuck with them.

How did you come up with that number?

Dream Wave Armada comics.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

yet their G1 cartoon origin itself defies their origin in the G1 Marvel Comics, in which they were created on Earth by Megatron and implied to have been born from the stolen power of the Creation Matrix just as the Stunticons were.

Umm, I think your a bit mistaken about that.Unless your talking about the UK books

From what I remember of Marvels Us G1, the Combaticons asnd Protectibots just appare with no explanation of how or when they were created.

And no "implication" that it was done with stolen Matrix energy either.

Also, if you've got a problem with different continuities, well, tough. There's over 75,890,007 realities, and we're stuck with them.

How did you come up with that number?

Dream Wave Armada comics.

They gave a number?

[Dead Metal]

yet their G1 cartoon origin itself defies their origin in the G1 Marvel Comics, in which they were created on Earth by Megatron and implied to have been born from the stolen power of the Creation Matrix just as the Stunticons were.

Umm, I think your a bit mistaken about that.Unless your talking about the UK books

From what I remember of Marvels Us G1, the Combaticons asnd Protectibots just appare with no explanation of how or when they were created.

And no "implication" that it was done with stolen Matrix energy either.

Also, if you've got a problem with different continuities, well, tough. There's over 75,890,007 realities, and we're stuck with them.

How did you come up with that number?

Dream Wave Armada comics.

They gave a number?

Yes, they where searching for their Optimus Prime, he had been sucked into a different reality, and that's I believe the number of realities they had found and scanned before they found him.

[wyokid]

Was Partners the season finale?

[Sabrblade]

Was Partners the season finale?

No. There's six episodes left of season 1.

[Sabrblade]

yet their G1 cartoon origin itself defies their origin in the G1 Marvel Comics, in which they were created on Earth by Megatron and implied to have been born from the stolen power of the Creation Matrix just as the Stunticons were.

Umm, I think your a bit mistaken about that.Unless your talking about the UK books

From what I remember of Marvels Us G1, the Combaticons asnd Protectibots just appare with no explanation of how or when they were created.

And no "implication" that it was done with stolen Matrix energy either.

Remember how the Stunticons were birthed by Megatron having tapped into the power of the Creation Matrix when Prime was remaking the Aerialbots? Becuase of that scenario, it is implied that the Protectobots and Combaticons were birthed a similar way due to appearing so soon after that event happened. The implication is their sudden appearance following that event.

We know that there was no *real* explanation given, but that's the most common assumption based on their immediate introduction to come so soon after the Aerialbots' and Stunticons' own debuts.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

yet their G1 cartoon origin itself defies their origin in the G1 Marvel Comics, in which they were created on Earth by Megatron and implied to have been born from the stolen power of the Creation Matrix just as the Stunticons were.

Umm, I think your a bit mistaken about that.Unless your talking about the UK books

From what I remember of Marvels Us G1, the Combaticons asnd Protectibots just appare with no explanation of how or when they were created.

And no "implication" that it was done with stolen Matrix energy either.

Also, if you've got a problem with different continuities, well, tough. There's over 75,890,007 realities, and we're stuck with them.

How did you come up with that number?

Dream Wave Armada comics.

They gave a number?

Yes, they where searching for their Optimus Prime, he had been sucked into a different reality, and that's I believe the number of realities they had found and scanned before they found him.

hmm, was that the total, or just hast they made it to when they found what they were looking for?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Remember how the Stunticons were birthed by Megatron having tapped into the power of the Creation Matrix when Prime was remaking the Aerialbots? Becuase of that scenario, it is implied that the Protectobots and Combaticons were birthed a similar way due to appearing so soon after that event happened.

Yes, I remember that, but no, the fact that they appear so soon after that event doesnt im ply they were created in the same way.

They could have just as easily come from Cybertron, or other parts of space.

We know that there was no *real* explanation given, but that's the most common assumption based on their immediate introduction to come so soon after the Aerialbots' and Stunticons' own debuts.

fan auumptions are a far cry from an actual "in story" implication.

[wyokid]

Was Partners the season finale?

No. There's six episodes left of season 1.

HALLELUJAH! Do we know anything about episode 21? or did that air? I missed last weeks episode.

[Sabrblade]

Was Partners the season finale?

No. There's six episodes left of season 1.

HALLELUJAH! Do we know anything about episode 21?

Zilch, zip, nadda.

Remember how the Stunticons were birthed by Megatron having tapped into the power of the Creation Matrix when Prime was remaking the Aerialbots? Becuase of that scenario, it is implied that the Protectobots and Combaticons were birthed a similar way due to appearing so soon after that event happened.

Yes, I remember that, but no, the fact that they appear so soon after that event doesnt im ply they were created in the same way.

They could have just as easily come from Cybertron, or other parts of space.

We know that there was no *real* explanation given, but that's the most common assumption based on their immediate introduction to come so soon after the Aerialbots' and Stunticons' own debuts.

fan auumptions are a far cry from an actual "in story" implication.

Marvel UK definitely stated them to have been built on Earth, as Buster Witwicky's Matrix-induced vision of the Special Teams prompted the Earth Autobots and Decepticons to begin the construction of all four teams (Aerialbots, Stunticons, Combaticons, Protectobots).

And since we saw how the first two teams were created, why isn't safe to assume that the latter two were created in a similar way?

[wyokid]

Was Partners the season finale?

No. There's six episodes left of season 1.

HALLELUJAH! Do we know anything about episode 21?

Zilch, zip, nadda.

Not even an air date?

[Dead Metal]

yet their G1 cartoon origin itself defies their origin in the G1 Marvel Comics, in which they were created on Earth by Megatron and implied to have been born from the stolen power of the Creation Matrix just as the Stunticons were.

Umm, I think your a bit mistaken about that.Unless your talking about the UK books

From what I remember of Marvels Us G1, the Combaticons asnd Protectibots just appare with no explanation of how or when they were created.

And no "implication" that it was done with stolen Matrix energy either.

Also, if you've got a problem with different continuities, well, tough. There's over 75,890,007 realities, and we're stuck with them.

How did you come up with that number?

Dream Wave Armada comics.

They gave a number?

Yes, they where searching for their Optimus Prime, he had been sucked into a different reality, and that's I believe the number of realities they had found and scanned before they found him.

hmm, was that the total, or just hast they made it to when they found what they were looking for?

Not the total, just the number they had to get through till they finally found their Prime. They also stated that every time they found one reality, a few more where created.

[Sabrblade]

yet their G1 cartoon origin itself defies their origin in the G1 Marvel Comics, in which they were created on Earth by Megatron and implied to have been born from the stolen power of the Creation Matrix just as the Stunticons were.

Umm, I think your a bit mistaken about that.Unless your talking about the UK books

From what I remember of Marvels Us G1, the Combaticons asnd Protectibots just appare with no explanation of how or when they were created.

And no "implication" that it was done with stolen Matrix energy either.

Also, if you've got a problem with different continuities, well, tough. There's over 75,890,007 realities, and we're stuck with them.

How did you come up with that number?

Dream Wave Armada comics.

They gave a number?

Yes, they where searching for their Optimus Prime, he had been sucked into a different reality, and that's I believe the number of realities they had found and scanned before they found him.

hmm, was that the total, or just hast they made it to when they found what they were looking for?

Not the total, just the number they had to get through till they finally found their Prime. They also stated that every time they found one reality, a few more where created.

Hence why I said "over" that number.

Though, according to the TransTechs' cataloged records, 1,176,325 have "come to termination". Of the 75,890,008 known to exist, only 15,962,782 (including those 1,176,325 terminated ones) have actually been cataloged by the TransTechs.

[Sabrblade]

Was Partners the season finale?

No. There's six episodes left of season 1.

HALLELUJAH! Do we know anything about episode 21?

Zilch, zip, nadda.

Not even an air date?

Not even an airdate. Though, the last six are bound to air some time between now and November 28, as that is the airdate of season 2 (episode 27).

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Marvel UK definitely stated them to have been built on Earth, as Buster Witwicky's Matrix-induced vision of the Special Teams prompted the Earth Autobots and Decepticons to begin the construction of all four teams (Aerialbots, Stunticons, Combaticons, Protectobots).

that may be, I havent read all of the UK stories.

And since we saw how the first two teams were created, why isn't safe to assume that the latter two were created in a similar way?

I never said it wasnt safe to assume.

But your claim was that it "WAS" implied.

An assumption and an actual implication are 2 different things.

Not the total, just the number they had to get through till they finally found their Prime. They also stated that every time they found one reality, a few more where created.

kool, thanks for that info