Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Sabrblade wrote:Who says "silly" can't be fun?hinomars19 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Japan does love silly ending sequences.Madeus Prime wrote:Oooohhhkkaaaay....Well, almost as nutso as Gokaiger's ending theme
You say silly, I say fun
Dead Metal wrote:Hasbro was talking out of their asses when they stated they'll have an overarching continuity.
hinomars19 wrote:Megatron erected a giant tower in the middle of a city,
yet now humans still act unaware of the existence of Transformers,
and we have to maintain the disguise shtick?
This is clearly a marketing gimmick, both for the toys and the show.
Aside from a few superficial allusions from 'Bee, from a marketing stand point, Hasbro wants this to read like a stand alone, so kids don't feel alienated. For all intents and purposes right now, this show might as well be a re-boot, and I'm tired of re-boots. (Prime being 'dead' notwithstanding, but still...)
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
hinomars19 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Japan does love silly ending sequences.Madeus Prime wrote:Oooohhhkkaaaay....Well, almost as nutso as Gokaiger's ending theme
You say silly, I say fun
Seems to be an ominous shadowy figure behind the cons there. Would that be the'boss' Terrashock tried to contact?
Y'know what I'd like? If this show gave us a Decepticon leader like Skrash. These obscure leaders and names need some love.
Dead Metal wrote:So I decided to watch the two pilot parts.
As a stand alone show it's OK, looks fun, but as the follow up to TFPrime it sucks.
The animation is still incredibly ugly and choppy, it looks like one of those poopy Steam games people play on youtube. The frame-rate is atrocious and the cell shading effect looks more like it's supposed to hide crappy low grade models and a nonexistent budget rather than an actual style.
Dead Metal wrote:The world and comedy absolutely do not fit in with the feel and atmosphere of Prime. The writing is OK, not as good as Prime, but serviceable. Again, as a stand alone show it's OK, but the fact that this is supposed to be the follow up to Prime just drags it down.
Dead Metal wrote:Grimlock should be renamed, that's not Grimlock, not only does he share no visuals cues (other than maybe the shoulders) with Aligned Grimlock, but he is a completely separate character. Yeah, sure he's a "Dinobot", but he doesn't fit his depiction in FOC or the Prime comics. In those he's an angry warrior who has problems thinking straight, and never backs down, someone who's life's been completely ruined and devastated and can'T go back. This guy here, is a more kid-friendly and toned down DBZ Abridged Goku. He's too cheerful and friendly, and not as violent or determined.
Dead Metal wrote:Sideswipe also does not fit with his previous incarnation.
That's because his name was misspelled. - http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Scrash_(OC)kaijuguy19 wrote:hinomars19 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Japan does love silly ending sequences.Madeus Prime wrote:Oooohhhkkaaaay....Well, almost as nutso as Gokaiger's ending theme
You say silly, I say fun
Seems to be an ominous shadowy figure behind the cons there. Would that be the'boss' Terrashock tried to contact?
Y'know what I'd like? If this show gave us a Decepticon leader like Skrash. These obscure leaders and names need some love.
I've never heard of Skrash. I've tried looking him up but I can't find any page that describes him.
While I agree that we should wait and be patient to see what kind of story this show will tell about Grimlock, the Grimlock that we saw in FOC didn't have his story end in that game. His story continued in the Rage of the Dinobots and Beast Hunters comics, in which we saw him live all the way to the present day of the Prime cartoon, and even saw him reunite with Team Prime after the events of Predacons Rising. But since we do have the author of those comics, Mairghread Scott, also working as part of the production team of this show, we'll just have to wait and see what will become of Grimlock in this show.kaijuguy19 wrote:Seeing as how FOC Grimlock's story ended in FOC who's to say that somehow before RID15 Grimlock lost his memories and got some upgrades and somehow got recruited as a Decepticon before the events of RID15 where he became an Autobot again? The show didn't explain yet where Grimlock came from so the history I've mentioned is possible.
Sideswipe was also in WFC, in which he was pretty much like his RID counterpart, but less of a delinquent and more of a wise guy. Though, in the games, Sideswipe acted like he was older than Bumblebee, while this show, Sideswipe is said to be younger than Bumblebee. So either Bee aged faster than Sideswipe, or this could be a new Sideswipe born from the Well after Predacons Rising.kaijuguy19 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Sideswipe also does not fit with his previous incarnation.
What was Sideswipe's previous incarnation in the Aligned universe like exactly? Because I don't recall him doing much other then in FOC being a pilot.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
PrymeStriker wrote:hinomars19 wrote:Megatron erected a giant tower in the middle of a city,
No, he erected a giant tower by Autobot HQ in the middle of a desert. Jasper was evacuated before any civilians could see Darkmount.yet now humans still act unaware of the existence of Transformers,
Crown City, near where Russel and Denny live, is likely states away from Jasper, Nevada. How would they know/care about the kept-under-wraps events of a terribly low-populated truck stop?and we have to maintain the disguise shtick?
Yes, because out of the billions of people on the planet, there are under twenty that have ever seen a Cybertronian.This is clearly a marketing gimmick, both for the toys and the show.
Get used to it. Robots in Disguise has been the franchise gimmick for 30 years.Aside from a few superficial allusions from 'Bee, from a marketing stand point, Hasbro wants this to read like a stand alone, so kids don't feel alienated. For all intents and purposes right now, this show might as well be a re-boot, and I'm tired of re-boots. (Prime being 'dead' notwithstanding, but still...)
inb4 characters from Prime returning in season two...
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Except Energon never showed ordinary civilians to be aware of the TFs. Only certain humans involved with the government were working with them at the Cybertron Cities, all of which were set up in the most remote, uninhabited locations. That show never took its action into ordinary settings, confining itself to just the Cybertron Cities, space, Cybertron, and other planets.
hinomars19 wrote:PrymeStriker wrote:hinomars19 wrote:Megatron erected a giant tower in the middle of a city,
No, he erected a giant tower by Autobot HQ in the middle of a desert. Jasper was evacuated before any civilians could see Darkmount.yet now humans still act unaware of the existence of Transformers,
Crown City, near where Russel and Denny live, is likely states away from Jasper, Nevada. How would they know/care about the kept-under-wraps events of a terribly low-populated truck stop?and we have to maintain the disguise shtick?
Yes, because out of the billions of people on the planet, there are under twenty that have ever seen a Cybertronian.This is clearly a marketing gimmick, both for the toys and the show.
Get used to it. Robots in Disguise has been the franchise gimmick for 30 years.Aside from a few superficial allusions from 'Bee, from a marketing stand point, Hasbro wants this to read like a stand alone, so kids don't feel alienated. For all intents and purposes right now, this show might as well be a re-boot, and I'm tired of re-boots. (Prime being 'dead' notwithstanding, but still...)
inb4 characters from Prime returning in season two...
Whoops, yes messed up on the tower thing. You are right, everything you've said makes sense, but where is the fun in that?
I couldn't care less if he erected it in the darkest corner of area 51, after all the events of Prime it is boring and tirelessly repetitive to keep insisting people don't know these giant robots are on their planet in a continued universe. I'm tired of this franchise running back to it's roots every ten minutes. Every few years, sure, the original RiD toyline did it, the movie verse did it, unicron trilogy etc, but that's reboots. RID isn't a reboot, so how about mixing it up a bit? Just because it makes sense doesn't mean they can't be creative now, does it?
And I don't need to 'get used to it' G1 survived and that broke the disguises within it's first 2 seasons. The movie universe have kept the disguise thing working even in a world fully aware of cybertronians. Being in disguise works, yes it's great for being incognito for missions or certain situations, it worked for Soundwave in DOTM even though TF's were common knowledge at that point-but to keep banging it's head against the same frickin' wall of 'oh no, hide from the humans....shhhh, they don't know we're here...' Really? In a series that follows the events of a giant metal dragon flying around? Jasper, Nevada may not be the center of the world, but surely it can't be kept THAT secret??
Everything you've said makes sense, but I don't agree it needs to stick to it like glue. It's one of the things that really, really irritates me about the show so far. Can't we meet a human that knows of these guys? Maybe saw a blurry pic in a newspaper, or a news broadcast about the events in the dessert? To be so blissfully unaware....that's not good world building. Maybe it's'accurate' given the evidence, but it's sure as hell ain't interesting writing. You could have said the exact same thing about Armada, but Energon chose to go with common sense and said within the ten year gap the world we saw in Armada evolved due to the existence of these beings being on the planet.
I stick by what I said, blatant, lazy, boring marketing gimmick. The world they should be building is being reset to it's foundations every other brick they lay. Pointless.
I'm not asking for Jack, Miko and Raf to come running in just to prove it's a sequel. But Dead Metal is right, this thing is too dis-separate. And we know why, because Hasbro knows it doesn't have to try. People will defend what they say as gospel regardless, tie any thread they can together no matter how flimsy just so Hasbro can still be believed. We all know RID is a sequel to Prime, but would it kill them to keep that feeling in their product regardless?
Grimlock already exists in the aligned universe, but they don't care. They threw the name at a T-rex because marketing. AOE is still fresh in people's minds and they ditch character and world building for cheap cash grabs. 'Grimlock' could've been named anything (I get the RiD reference, btw) a truly new character could've been made. Now he's just stuck under the stigma of a pointless, irrelevant to his very self, name. Can these 'inconsistencies' be reconciled? Probably.(hoorah for IDW) But that's not really an excuse, to be fair, not when you claim your mission is to build a universe or continuity.
ZeroWolf wrote:Hino, I can see where you are coming from but I think from what we've heard that season 2 will be the big one that ties everything together better. As for the grimlock thing considering the writer who worked on grimlocks aligned comics is working on this show, I think the answer will be given, we'll just have to be patient. A hard skill with us tf fans I know
Oh and the idea about everyone knowing? Like the government would let that happen, they work pretty hard to spread false information and discrediting videos. think realistically, what would happen if someone leaked a video showing aliens
kaijuguy19 wrote:There's also the idea to consider that since WFC and FOC along with Prime share a lot of the same concepts,ideas and elements with each other they also went into different directions despite having the same basic beginnings on Cybertron like how both the Sunbow G1 show and the G1 comics have some notable differences from each other despite sharing a lot of elements so in that regard RID15's not ditching continuity as it's really following what Prime left off which Prime itself had some differences from WFC and FOC.
hinomars19 wrote:As for the overarching continuity from Hasbro? They were talking out their arses from the start on that. For me, WFC was it's own entity, which shows with all the shoehorning and retconning FOC had to do. I've seen the discussions on this, and whilst you could argue timelines within a continuity (G1 for example had; sunbow cartoon, Japanese cartoon, Marvel, marvel UK, Japanese manga etc) It just doesn't feel like it applies here.
Sabrblade wrote:Who says "silly" can't be fun?hinomars19 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Japan does love silly ending sequences.Madeus Prime wrote:Oooohhhkkaaaay....Well, almost as nutso as Gokaiger's ending theme
You say silly, I say fun
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Looks like Optimus ain't the only known character who got the honor of having his own statue:
kaijuguy19 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:So I decided to watch the two pilot parts.
As a stand alone show it's OK, looks fun, but as the follow up to TFPrime it sucks.
The animation is still incredibly ugly and choppy, it looks like one of those poopy Steam games people play on youtube. The frame-rate is atrocious and the cell shading effect looks more like it's supposed to hide crappy low grade models and a nonexistent budget rather than an actual style.
Looking at the animation at RID15 I think it's actually cool if you accept it for what it is. It's trying to go a style that's similar to that of Tron Uprising which I think in some respect it does rather well in capturing a cell shaded look. I know it's not to be appealing to everyone but I like it all the same.
kaijuguy19 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:The world and comedy absolutely do not fit in with the feel and atmosphere of Prime. The writing is OK, not as good as Prime, but serviceable. Again, as a stand alone show it's OK, but the fact that this is supposed to be the follow up to Prime just drags it down.
I don't get this. This is a show about Bumblebee's role and arc as being a leader and Bee's normally known to have a friendly light hearted character so why shouldn't the show reflect that? The reason why Prime has a more dark tone was because Optimus is a much more serious minded character that's been through a lot during the war. Bee despite being in the war doesn't have the same personalty and characteristics as Optimus and really he shouldn't be. I can understand this reaction more had Prime suddenly took on a more light hearted approach during it's production but it didn't. I say it's good that RID15 isn't as dark because it wants to be it's own thing despite being connected to Prime.
kaijuguy19 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Grimlock should be renamed, that's not Grimlock, not only does he share no visuals cues (other than maybe the shoulders) with Aligned Grimlock, but he is a completely separate character. Yeah, sure he's a "Dinobot", but he doesn't fit his depiction in FOC or the Prime comics. In those he's an angry warrior who has problems thinking straight, and never backs down, someone who's life's been completely ruined and devastated and can'T go back. This guy here, is a more kid-friendly and toned down DBZ Abridged Goku. He's too cheerful and friendly, and not as violent or determined.
Seeing as how FOC Grimlock's story ended in FOC who's to say that somehow before RID15 Grimlock lost his memories and got some upgrades and somehow got recruited as a Decepticon before the events of RID15 where he became an Autobot again? The show didn't explain yet where Grimlock came from so the history I've mentioned is possible.
kaijuguy19 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Sideswipe also does not fit with his previous incarnation.
What was Sideswipe's previous incarnation in the Aligned universe like exactly? Because I don't recall him doing much other then in FOC being a pilot. Also there's a possiblity of RID15 Sideswipe just sharing his name which is pretty common in IDW.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:The longer this "Continuity" goes on, the more it becomes apparent that Hasbro doesn't know what Continuity means, heck, this Aligned universe is even less coherent than the Star Wars Expanded Universe.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Sabrblade wrote:If I had cable again, I would (we lost it).chuckdawg1999 wrote:I doubt I'll ever be able to watch RID at it's usual time, but CN has put it up on it's on demand hub so I was able to watch part 1 of the pilot. Not bad, I can't judge the series yet because nothing has really happened. All I can hope is for an increase in views of the toys. I also hope that those of you watching it online are also going to watch the episodes as they air, you're only hurting the brand if you don't.
NuclearConvoy wrote:Now, on a separate note, Someone mentioned the FOC Dinobots being in the Prime comics fighting the Predacons? Is that worth reading?
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Cybertron was a dead world by the time of Prime, so it's couldn't support a whole host of wildlife by that point. The only fauna that we saw to still be alive on the planet were a bunch of Scraplets and at least one Insecticon. Though, Arcee, did mention "vermin", suggesting there could have been other creepy crawlies roaming the planet at the time, but not many.NuclearConvoy wrote:Oh, and speaking of Predacons in Prime, it does sort of confuse me that they can link the Prime plot to this plot and sudden;y have like dozens of different kinds of animalistic Decepticon subspecies and yet, in the Prime cartoon, it seemed absolutely baffling to them that any Cybertronian life could have been so animalistic...
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Cybertron was a dead world by the time of Prime, so it's couldn't support a whole host of wildlife by that point. The only fauna that we saw to still be alive on the planet were a bunch of Scraplets and at least one Insecticon. Though, Arcee, did mention "vermin", suggesting there could have been other creepy crawlies roaming the planet at the time, but not many.NuclearConvoy wrote:Oh, and speaking of Predacons in Prime, it does sort of confuse me that they can link the Prime plot to this plot and sudden;y have like dozens of different kinds of animalistic Decepticon subspecies and yet, in the Prime cartoon, it seemed absolutely baffling to them that any Cybertronian life could have been so animalistic...
But after the planet was revived, it was hospitable again and could support life once more, including Cybertronian animals.
And there was Soundwave's avian Minicon Deployer Laserbeak in the show, too.
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