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Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:02 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:I forgot to mention this before, but the way Palpatine was in the movie gave me flashbacks to Beast Machines Megatron.

News Credits: 7 · Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:40 pm

Ironhidensh wrote:
Why they could just follow the roadmap laid out by over 20 years of excellent storytelling will forever be beyond me.

Because Disney.

News Credits: 1350 · Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:00 pm

Actually Disney wouldn't have won anyway even if it had decided to film the Thrawn trilogy, to get each book into one movie would have required cuts and that would have upset fans (look at the Lord if the Rings fans mourning Tom Bombadil and the Barrow Wights). Heck even if they did the perfect adaption, you'd have a set of fans complaining about it being an adaption! Just like you had fans who wanted this new trilogy to be what Lucas wanted (which was vastly different than the books to boot)

I fully agree with Lucasfilm shifting the whole lot into legends as no one really loses, that whole lot is still readily available, while the new timeline has a whole lot of new pasture to fill out, to allow new ideas...That they then gave that new ground to Abrams is a different matter entirely but someone clearly thought he style was a good fit...

Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:48 pm

Roadbuster wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
Why they could just follow the roadmap laid out by over 20 years of excellent storytelling will forever be beyond me.

Because Disney.

More because of Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams, and Rian Johnson.

Don’t forget, Disney allows Kevin Feige a lot of freedom in how he runs Marvel Studios. And Kevin has decided to pay homage to what has come before, whereas the Kathleen Kennedy Krew decides to ignore everything that came before.

News Credits: 25 · Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:55 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:Actually Disney wouldn't have won anyway even if it had decided to film the Thrawn trilogy, to get each book into one movie would have required cuts and that would have upset fans (look at the Lord if the Rings fans mourning Tom Bombadil and the Barrow Wights). Heck even if they did the perfect adaption, you'd have a set of fans complaining about it being an adaption! Just like you had fans who wanted this new trilogy to be what Lucas wanted (which was vastly different than the books to boot)

I fully agree with Lucasfilm shifting the whole lot into legends as no one really loses, that whole lot is still readily available, while the new timeline has a whole lot of new pasture to fill out, to allow new ideas...That they then gave that new ground to Abrams is a different matter entirely but someone clearly thought he style was a good fit...

It isn't perfect adaptations that are wanted, its something along the lines of the Marvel cinematic universe. They do their own thing, but follow and pay respect to what came before. A series that is well thought out, coordinated, and planned. With plenty of time for character development.

I don't mind the story that Star Wars is trying to tell, I just want them to do it much better.

But thats me, and my hangup.

News Credits: 104 · Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:19 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:And Cyber Bishop, I completely agree with you on critics. Especially those who are fanboys who take themselves too seriously and think their word is gospel.

Fanboys are one reason I stepped away from the 501st and all conventions period. My life has been much better being a hermit and not interacting with many people anymore lol.

News Credits: 1350 · Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:29 am

Ironhidensh wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:Actually Disney wouldn't have won anyway even if it had decided to film the Thrawn trilogy, to get each book into one movie would have required cuts and that would have upset fans (look at the Lord if the Rings fans mourning Tom Bombadil and the Barrow Wights). Heck even if they did the perfect adaption, you'd have a set of fans complaining about it being an adaption! Just like you had fans who wanted this new trilogy to be what Lucas wanted (which was vastly different than the books to boot)

I fully agree with Lucasfilm shifting the whole lot into legends as no one really loses, that whole lot is still readily available, while the new timeline has a whole lot of new pasture to fill out, to allow new ideas...That they then gave that new ground to Abrams is a different matter entirely but someone clearly thought he style was a good fit...

It isn't perfect adaptations that are wanted, its something along the lines of the Marvel cinematic universe. They do their own thing, but follow and pay respect to what came before. A series that is well thought out, coordinated, and planned. With plenty of time for character development.

I don't mind the story that Star Wars is trying to tell, I just want them to do it much better.

But thats me, and my hangup.

That's fair to say. My post was more about explaining why they wanted to jettison the old EU.

Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:15 am

ZeroWolf wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:Actually Disney wouldn't have won anyway even if it had decided to film the Thrawn trilogy, to get each book into one movie would have required cuts and that would have upset fans (look at the Lord if the Rings fans mourning Tom Bombadil and the Barrow Wights). Heck even if they did the perfect adaption, you'd have a set of fans complaining about it being an adaption! Just like you had fans who wanted this new trilogy to be what Lucas wanted (which was vastly different than the books to boot)

I fully agree with Lucasfilm shifting the whole lot into legends as no one really loses, that whole lot is still readily available, while the new timeline has a whole lot of new pasture to fill out, to allow new ideas...That they then gave that new ground to Abrams is a different matter entirely but someone clearly thought he style was a good fit...

It isn't perfect adaptations that are wanted, its something along the lines of the Marvel cinematic universe. They do their own thing, but follow and pay respect to what came before. A series that is well thought out, coordinated, and planned. With plenty of time for character development.

I don't mind the story that Star Wars is trying to tell, I just want them to do it much better.

But thats me, and my hangup.

That's fair to say. My post was more about explaining why they wanted to jettison the old EU.

I don't think to many people would have been upset if they had rebooted the EU, done their own thing, but kept characters like the Solo kids. as it is, it just feels like a waste.

At least the Mandalorian is kriffing awesome.

News Credits: 226 · Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:11 pm

I'm having some memory gaps.
When did Obi-Wan kill Maul?

-edit-
Nevermind, it happened during Rebels which is post-Clone Wars.

News Credits: 25 · Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:28 pm

**** Christ...….the Clone Wars is so god damn good. It kills me that Disney can do Star Wars so very, very right on the small screen... and then choke on a giant donkey dick on the large screen...

[/neverhappyfan]

News Credits: 1646 · Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:16 pm

Damn that looks great!

Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:50 pm

Ironhidensh wrote:**** Christ...….the Clone Wars is so god damn good. It kills me that Disney can do Star Wars so very, very right on the small screen... and then choke on a giant donkey dick on the large screen...

[/neverhappyfan]

Right there with you....

News Credits: 226 · Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:49 pm

Oh Clone Wars, how I have missed thee.

Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:49 pm

how is it?

News Credits: 226 · Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:24 pm

As enjoyable as it always was.

Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:05 pm

Caught the latest episodes of the Clone Wars. Really good, except every time I see the Bad Batch, I keep thinking, "why didn't you just use Delta Squad?" Their cool in their own right, but the similarities are so
obvious, it's frustrating.

News Credits: 22 · Mon May 04, 2020 12:18 am

So in observance of May the 4th, here I am watching Empire Strikes Back. It's been years since I've seen it, I was starting to forget how many iconic scenes it has. The most iconic, where Vader reveals some hard truths to Luke, is almost here. Return of the Jedi is next.

News Credits: 1646 · Mon May 04, 2020 10:15 am

I watched Episodes 1, 2, and half of 3 on TV last night while at work to get me into this. the opening scene of Revenge of the Sith remains my favorite Star Wars sequence

News Credits: 22 · Mon May 04, 2020 5:06 pm

Yeah it's up there, but I don't think it beats the fight sequences towards the end. Especially Yoda vs. The Emperor. It's my favorite sequence from the Star Wars movies. I just wish it was longer. They should have destroyed the entire Senate building, it would have been appropriately symbolic.

News Credits: 1646 · Mon May 04, 2020 5:30 pm

That fight scene is really good, Revenge of the Sith scratched so many itches for me, I love that movie

News Credits: 226 · Mon May 04, 2020 7:34 pm

I found it hilarious that people were posting warnings that the final Clone Wars episode had been "leaked".

Nevermind the fact that it dropped at 12am in whatever time zone which meant New Zealand got it first.

News Credits: 25 · Tue May 05, 2020 4:38 pm

The clone wars finale was **** amazing.

Tue May 05, 2020 5:15 pm

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:That fight scene is really good, Revenge of the Sith scratched so many itches for me, I love that movie

Honestly the most frustrating part of that film is that it comes so close to the mark of being the prequel I wanted, and just misses. (mainly because of Lucas's thing for wooden dialogue.) I really like the movie, but it always felt like it was just on the cusp of being even better.

News Credits: 22 · Tue May 05, 2020 11:25 pm

Blastback wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:That fight scene is really good, Revenge of the Sith scratched so many itches for me, I love that movie

Honestly the most frustrating part of that film is that it comes so close to the mark of being the prequel I wanted, and just misses. (mainly because of Lucas's thing for wooden dialogue.) I really like the movie, but it always felt like it was just on the cusp of being even better.

Well, to be fair, we're discussing it with the benefit of hindsight. I think Lucas thought he did the best he could with what *I think* are the 2 main objectives for the story: finish the arc for Anakin and set up the original trilogy in the overall story. Had he not had to mind episodes 4-6, I think episode 3 would have been a bit different.

Having said that, I agree that some parts could have been tweaked just a bit and the movie as a whole would have been more enjoyable. However, I enjoy it as it is nonetheless.

Had he kept control of the franchise (Disney might still do it, considering their penchant for rewriting history) I wonder if he would have revisited the prequels and changed them, like he did with the original trilogy back in the late 90s.