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[Stuartmaximus]

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[Stealth Claw]

Hey wanted to post an unpopular star wars opion and ask a quick question.
so back when star wars ep 1 came out my 6 year old self loved it, I didn't like the original trilogy until a few years later, so because of that I have a special nostalgia for the prequels which makes me prefer the prequels over the original trilogy, (however my fav star wars movie is rouge one) and I did not enjoy ep 7 that much, it was an okay movie but was my least fav SW movie, so my question is how was ep 8? Was it good? Did it have any prequel references or is Disney still trying to forget them? Please no spoilers.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Lightsabers eh? Well, I have a few!

My first was the cheaper Darth Vader red blade, then came Luke's RotJ green saber. After that came that Anakin/Vader color switching one and a 2nd, better but not light up and still cheaper Vader saber. Took a break, made myself one at Disney in 2013. Picked up Kylo Rens at TRU 2 springs ago, found a Darth Maul one at a car shop place where the guy had a bin of his son's toys that he was looking to give away (Maul is my favorite lightsaber and 2nd favorite baddie to Grevious), and I made another one this past January.

That's my list!

[Rodimus Prime]

(however my fav star wars movie is rouge one) and I did not enjoy ep 7 that much, it was an okay movie but was my least fav SW movie, so my question is how was ep 8? Was it good?

I didn't think Force Awakens was that good either, it ranks just above Episode II for me. Rogue One was a much better story. The only reason Force was more successful financially was because the fans wanted to see the original trilogy main characters on screen again. I'm curious as to how much of George Lucas's original story actually made it into the script, because if he wrote the series in order, then he wrote Force after Return and if I watch them back to back, there's a noticeable drop in quality. So was Lucas burned out after writing 6 episodes, and Episode VII suffered? Or was the original story butchered by Disney since they own it now?

As for Last Jedi, I haven't seen it yet, but the reviews I have read are consistent in saying that it's the best entry since Empire and that it delivers on action, humor, and emotional parts, especially where Princess Leia is considered. (Yes I know she's now General Leia, but she will always be Princess Leia to me. )

[Rodimus Prime]

I just finished watching The Last Jedi. I liked it. IMO it doesn't surpass Empire, but it's close, as far as the entire saga is concerned. As for a movie on its own, it was pretty good. The 2nd half much better than the 1st. It was like watching 2 different movies. The 1st half was slow and a bit of a mess, as if Michael Bay directed it, but the 2nd delivered in a big way.

Yoda made an appearance at the most crucial moment for Luke, but he didn't look really sharp. Bad CGI. I was also expecting Leia to die, considering Carrie Fisher is gone, but she made it through, even flashing her use of the Force. Luke didn't. But the way he died was perfect. And when he showed up to face Kylo Ren, I knew he wasn't really there. Most awesome moment: when Kylo kills Snoke. I did not see that coming. Overall, a good film, even if the 1st half dragged on. Much better than Force.

[Roadbuster]

Glad you liked it Rod.

I will be seeing it later today myself as I had to work.

We had someone come in from the movie theater behind one of the stores I worked at. He and a buddy left half-way through the film. They were in classic fan-boy rage mode. Luckily the manager on duty didn't care about Star Wars but these guys had the mind to spoil it for anyone who planned on seeing it all because they didn't like it and took it way too personal. That did not stop one of them from running his mouth outside over the phone with one of his other friends though.

[Rodimus Prime]

Like I said, the 1st half wasn't that good, but after Rey leaves Like and Kylo kills Snoke it picks up. I think a lot of fans won't like Luke being a whiner and not doing much in the 1st half. But stay with it, he makes up for it in the 2nd half.

[RAR]

I can't decide if this Movie is better or worse than

Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, or Rogue One.

It may be marginally less stupid than Force Awakens, but at the same time the Characters (who are not Luke or Rey) are 10 times worse.

Snoke had me burst out laughing several times (for the wrong reasons).

I can't decide if i'm simply bored by it, or if it's so very bad it's actually good like Star Trek Discovery is.

I do have a feeling of mild bemusement that >This< is the Movie they made, and that >This< is Disney's vision of Star Wars.

It is kinda like watching the Prequel's Documentary extra's and watching in horror at how little of a clue Lucas had about some elements of his own franchise - the most telling of which is things like the lines about the Battle Droids being no threat and Yoda with his 'laser Sword'.

Watching The Last Jedi is a bit like watching Yoda hop about like a frog on a hot tin roof. The feeling it invokes in me is puzzlement, mild confusion, and bemusement. Oh and like Rogue One it's a bit Boring and like Thor Ragnarok it's a bit childish and foolish.

I very much doubt i'll ever watch it twice.

[fenrir72]

Rogue One hands down the best of this expanded Disney verse.

The Last Jedi is like..............whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

Snokes is like huh? Then just that?

0-G space madonna is like whazzat again?

Lot's of other characters who you couldn't care about .............

Just stick to the original 3, Revenge of the Sith and Rogue One.

[Ironhidensh]

Saw it earlier this afternoon. Amazing. I loved it. Sure, there were a few things I wish were done differently, but I've accepted that the EU is gone, and never showing up on screen.

I, for once, kept my curiosity in check, and went into this move 100% spoiler free. It helped me feel that old magic and pure nerd love again. I will watch this again, in theater.


Amazing.

[Burn]

I was left a little disappointed by it. I didn't hate it, but ... disappointing.

The whole movie seemed all over the place timing wise (are we supposed to believe the First Order wiped out the New Republic between movies but Rey is still standing in the same spot?), and basically revolved around the galaxys slowest car chase.

And as far as dangling plot points go that had many fans asking, are we now supposed to accept that the identity of Snoke and Reys parentage is now irrelevant?

meh ... maybe a second viewing will help. And hopefully I won't be coughing up my lungs as much.

[LOST Cybertronian]

I'm curious as to how much of George Lucas's original story actually made it into the script, because if he wrote the series in order, then he wrote Force after Return and if I watch them back to back, there's a noticeable drop in quality. So was Lucas burned out after writing 6 episodes, and Episode VII suffered? Or was the original story butchered by Disney since they own it now?

Lucas has nothing to do with these movies. I believe he wrote an outline when he sold Lucasfilm but Disney ignored it.

[Rodimus Prime]

Lucas has nothing to do with these movies. I believe he wrote an outline when he sold Lucasfilm but Disney ignored it.

Didn't he write the entire story (episodes 1-9) before he even started filming New Hope? And then for some reason he chose the middle 3 parts to film? He thought he would never be able to film the entire series, so he picked what he felt was the best segment. I thought I heard that on one of the DVD extras.

[Roadbuster]

Lucas has nothing to do with these movies. I believe he wrote an outline when he sold Lucasfilm but Disney ignored it.

Didn't he write the entire story (episodes 1-9) before he even started filming New Hope? And then for some reason he chose the middle 3 parts to film? He thought he would never be able to film the entire series, so he picked what he felt was the best segment. I thought I heard that on one of the DVD extras.

I've heard a lot of things, even how the entire story was following Luke Skywalker through 6-9 films and the prequels just notes to run off of to help with the setting and Luke's story arc. I really don't think we'll see what Lucas' original plans were until after his notes and concepts are published, if ever.

Part of me thinks that a prequel trilogy done in the 1980's would have been darker and more consistent with Obi-Wan's accounts to Luke. Before the Prequels, Obi-Wan's accounts never gave me the impression that Anakin was this whiny superstar Jedi Padawan/Knight, but so much more, which would have made his fall more tragic.

[Ironhidensh]

I was left a little disappointed by it. I didn't hate it, but ... disappointing.

The whole movie seemed all over the place timing wise (are we supposed to believe the First Order wiped out the New Republic between movies but Rey is still standing in the same spot?), and basically revolved around the galaxys slowest car chase.

And as far as dangling plot points go that had many fans asking, are we now supposed to accept that the identity of Snoke and Reys parentage is now irrelevant?

meh ... maybe a second viewing will help. And hopefully I won't be coughing up my lungs as much.

In the novelization it is explained that the vast majority of the new republics fleet was destroyed in the Starkville attack. The snoke and Rey parental thing I'm still processing as well.

[Rodimus Prime]

I really don't think we'll see what Lucas' original plans were until after his notes and concepts are published, if ever.

I doubt that will happen, and if it does, it will be heavily edited by Disney to fit their version, since they own the property. The only way we might get the truth is if Lucas ever decides to write an autobiography and talks about it in that.

Part of me thinks that a prequel trilogy done in the 1980's would have been darker and more consistent with Obi-Wan's accounts to Luke. Before the Prequels, Obi-Wan's accounts never gave me the impression that Anakin was this whiny superstar Jedi Padawan/Knight, but so much more, which would have made his fall more tragic.

I always had a problem with that as well. Going from ep. 3 to ep. 4, Vader seemed to be a totally different character. I kinda chalked it up to the passing of time, but it would have made a better story if Anakin was less of a whiner.

[SW's SilverHammer]

Yoda made an appearance at the most crucial moment for Luke, but he didn't look really sharp. Bad CGI.

Just want to make a point, that wasn't CGI that was a proper Muppet.

So i'm going to say this, I enjoyed the movie, I was entertained by it. I disagree with most if not all the plot points, character progression, and pacing. The movie is very competent, great visually, and decent acting. However I disagree with most of the of the decisions made in the movie, as well as the general pacing of the film.

[galvatron00]

I liked everything except for a few things. Holy cats though, Kylo is everything Anakin could've been!! And Luke ends up being badass after being whiny!! Here's something for you though, if Luke did what he did from wherever he was, how can anyone actually think Snoke is dead?!

[Blastback]

I'm still processing just what to think of the Last Jedi. I've said this elsewhere, it wasn't the movie I wanted, but that's not nessecarily a good or bad thing. Just different.

And from What I've seen, Disney discarded the story ideas Lucas left for them.


On another note, I've been working to start a Star Wars D6 game with my friends. Anyone ever play that system and have any suggestions?

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I watched it last tuesday, and while it was good and an enjoyable experience, I have some concerns.

Luke's new direction didn't bother me until a day or 2 after I watched it. It was actually kind of sad and I wish they would have listened to Hamill and gone a different direction.

Rey's parent reveal was a let down, as was the lack of any history for Snoke. Not to mention the fact that that admiral really didn't need to hide the plan to make it to a rebel base from everyone.

[TulioDude]

Rey's parent reveal was a let down, as was the lack of any history for Snoke. Not to mention the fact that that admiral really didn't need to hide the plan to make it to a rebel base from everyone.

Felt the same too.Didnt like what they did to Luke.

Is hasnt been already confirmed that George Lucas has nothing to do with these new movies?

This is pretty much the Disney version of Star Wars.

Also,they dindt really have a plan for the story between films.Luke didnt want to be found but left a map with his location?

[Nemesis Maximo]

Here's my opinion on the new Star Wars. My intent is not to offend, but I warn you it might happen, particularly if you like horses. But this is the internet, and also 'Murica (except for BURN, you know, in Australia), so here we go.


Last Jedi was garbage.

Rey sucked; she was such a Mary Sue in this film, she had no character development, and just when I was starting to like where they were going with her story, Rian Johnson threw in an awkward "oh look, Kylo's naked so it's awkward" scene.

Finn sucked; he had no development, and his whole plot in the film was irrelevant.

Poe...poe is probably the only character that didn't outright suck. He didnt have much character development...I don't know. I can't really make up my mind about him.

Rose sucked; she was a useless character, her whole plotline is irrelevant, and now we end up with a forced Love Interest out of NOWHERE and it's justifiable for her to **** over the entire Resistance by saying "we have to save what we love" at the end at the expense of EVERYTHING SHE LOVES?!? WTF!. **** you Rose!

Admiral Holdo sucked; oh my GOD, that character makes me SO **** mad. Admail Ackbar, a beloved character, is callously murdered by Rian Johnsen and Kathleen Kennedy, and in his stead we have a SJW Feminazi who is vague to her subordinates for vagueness sake. And since when does anyone say "God Speed, Rebels" as if thats some kind of significant saying from the Rebellion era? It makes no sense in context, and that's coming from a good Christian boy. **** you, Admiral Holdo.

Captain Phasma sucked; not only was she built up as a badass in the previous film only to go out like a punk, she was explicitly stated to have a larger role in this film. Instead, she actually has a smaller part, fewer lines, and GOES OUT LIKE A PUNK. **** you, Captain Phasma.

Supreme Leader Snoke sucked; you're telling me he couldn't see that lightsaber moving in your peripheral vision? He's supposed to be a strong dark side wielder, and instead he toes out like a chum.

That throne room fight scene was cool though. I will give it that. That was pretty nice.

Kylo was meh. He didn't have much character development until the very end,, but at least he had some I suppose.

General Hux sucked; remember how he was a legit Hitler allegory and a competent if snake-ey villain? Here he becomes the punching bag of the galaxy, a snivveling, groveling sack of ****. I hated that opening scene between him and Poe.

It even falls apart from a story/writing perspective. Two thirds of the film literally DO NOT ADVANCE THE PLOT, and of the third that does, only half of it was any good. Let's break this down:

Plot 1: First Order VS Resistance
You're telling me the First Order seriously can't go a little bit faster to catch up the Resistance? The can make a Star Destroyer wider than the Executor was long, but it can't increase it's speed just that **** much?. And the Resistance is just painstakingly slowly running out of gas? on a scale of 1 to even, I just can't. Holy ****, how could the First Order not do something? Anything besides just sit there and pelt the Resistance with laser fire from too far away? Oh my GOD!

Plot 2: Finn and Rose Save The Horse-Dogs
**** **** this scene in the **** ass. The reason they go to the Casino planet, the codebreaker who's supposed to be the only person Maz trusts to even attempt what they want to attempt, doesn't even join the heroes. But that's okay, coz Beno plays a homeless man who can do exactly what was supposed to be a nearly impossible task, capable of being completed by only a select few. And along the way, Rose would like to interrupt Star Wars with and Episode of National Geographic Presents: The Plight of the Horse-Dogs so they can pander to the tween girls who will fall in love with Rose because now she saves horse-dogs. **** you, horse-dogs. And **** you too, Rose.

Plot 3: Luke Teaching Rey
This one, I actually liked at first. I liked where they were going with the force, how it sort of became a living thing, and there were some nice and dark notes happening, with the big hole in the ground and the implication that that might be an even stronger portal to the darkside than the tree at Dogabah. Aaaaaaaaand then we got to see Luke Skywalker MILK A SPACE-SEA-COW. SERIOUSLY, WTF. WHY DID I SEE THAT WITH MY EYES. WHO PUT THAT IN THE MOVIE. WHERE DOES THAT EVEN OH MY GOD ITS SO **** STUPID.. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND Then they decided to stop developing any characters because the ran out of time, so Rey is literally no better off than she was at the end of Force Awakens.

So yeah, if we're talking percentages, I liked 16.5% of this movie. That's low, guys and gals.

**** you, Rian Johnson.

[Burn]

...yeah, I can pretty much agree with all that.

[Cobotron]

Neme Max, you just got my vote for post of the week!

Only thing you forgot was...

But that's okay, coz Beno plays a homeless man...

...with a dumb speech impediment like all his bad characters.

[Blastback]

The Holdo Poe subplot was garbage. no question. We're supposed to believe that a competent experienced Admiral wouldn't know when to communicate with her crew what the plan was, or that a competent fighter CO wouldn't understand that he might not be privy to all the available information? The whole "didn't care about how she was viewed" bit was especially bad.


On the brightisde John Williams remains a musical god. And is finally gonna give Han his own theme for the spinoff