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Sabrblade wrote:But where in what I was asking about (i.e. - the quotes from Hydra) does it say that Hasbro names will be involved in this?

Okay... That is where you confused me. As you sounded like he was the one writing the story, not explaining what the backdrop says.

And it is in the way that the line is being handled. All the figures in the UNITED line have correct English, all use the Hasbro-based names, and one of its Generations tie-in stories was done by the team currently known for their work on ReGeneration One. Plus, he said Chip Chase - As in the fact that they are trying to keep it in a more Hasbro-like universe... Where as every other line they did (that did not tie into something done by Hasbro first), generally has them focusing on creating their own characters.

Therefor, even if these teams are not aligned to either faction, its primary use is to flesh out the UNITED continuity... And its secondary is to bleed any or all (usable) elements into the Japanese G1 continuity. Because in the end, not all facts have to be given to you first-hand. You just need to understand the direction that the company is taking their line just to get the facts needed.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:And it is in the way that the line is being handled. All the figures in the UNITED line have correct English, all use the Hasbro-based names, and one of its Generations tie-in stories was done by the team currently known for their work on ReGeneration One.

But how do you know that this particular story will also use Hasbro names when nothing in what we have been told about this story (not the toyline, the story) have said so?

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Plus, he said Chip Chase - As in the fact that they are trying to keep it in a more Hasbro-like universe... Where as every other line they did (that did not tie into something done by Hasbro first), generally has them focusing on creating their own characters.

But what's wrong with using Chip Chase? That's his Japanese name too.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Therefor, even if these teams are not aligned to either faction, its primary use is to flesh out the UNITED continuity...

How do you know that that's what this particular story is going to do when nothing about has said so?

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:And its secondary is to bleed any or all (usable) elements into the Japanese G1 continuity. Because in the end, not all facts have to be given to you first-hand. You just need to understand the direction that the company is taking their line just to get the facts needed.

Why can't this be another case like Macrocosmic Seekers?

Sabrblade wrote:But how do you know that this particular story will also use Hasbro names when nothing in what we have been told about this story (not the toyline, the story) have said so?

How about I repeat this, instead of working on the blueprints tied to my Transformers collection, future DVD/BD purchases, and my upcoming birthday?

The ENTIRE UNITED toyline was created by Takara Tomy as a new means of taking existing molds from Hasbro's Classics, Generations, etc., and turning them into a new series-based toyline. They are doing this for the Japanese fanbase that has no prior ties or knowledge to the Hasbro fiction, but they hope would be interested in this line.

In other words, Takara Tomy has made it clear: THE STORY HAPPENS WITHIN THE ENTIRE CONTINUITY THAT THEY CREATED FOR THE UNITED LINE, BUT DID NOT GO FAR BECAUSE IT OBVIOUSLY DID NOT SELL AS WELL AS THEY HAD PLANNED.

Is this clear enough? Can I move on? Or do I need to explain the importance of creating a franchise, the importance of having canon-based events, and how Takara handled their G1 toyline when they capped it off with Operation Combination in 1992?

LINK: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Generation_1_car ... 28Japan%29
LINK: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_United
LINK: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Operation_Combination

Sabrblade wrote:But what's wrong with using Chip Chase? That's his Japanese name too.

*facepalm* Did I say that? No. I think we are done here, as you are disorganizing the facts being told to you just because you chose to not connect the two series... Even though this is exactly how they did things with the final series I mentioned above.

Because if you follow the Japanese G1 continuity, you will find that both Takara Tomy and Toei Animation alienated all characters created/co-created by Hasbro when they ended Headmasters. And that from Super-God Masterforce to the Micron Trilogy, they used characters that were targeted by a Japanese audience.

This clearly is evidence since they are using a character that was primarily created by Hasbro, as in the fact that this line is using a Western influence and not an Eastern influence.

Sabrblade wrote:How do you know that that's what this particular story is going to do when nothing about has said so?

Because I have been, the entire time, reading up on the UNITED line? How about the fact that I also compared how they handled Headmasters to Zone, Car Robots, the Micron Trilogy, and Henkei! Henkei! to how they handled the movies, Animated, PRIME, and UNITED?

If Takara Tomy wanted this to not be aimed at Hasbro-based fiction, they would have continued the traditions created by them from 1987-1992. This means that they would have focused on a Japanese scientist to have created the project. However, continuing where they stopped with UNITED (and using Operation Combination's historical significance to this line), they are not doing that and making it more as a possible continuation of where The Rebirth left off (if this is the case).

Sabrblade wrote:Why can't this be another case like Macrocosmic Seekers?

Seriously... I am done. UNITED, as I explained from time to time, is nothing more than Takara Tomy's attempt at unifying their G1 timeline with that of Hasbro's. Macrocosmic Seekers is proof of this, as they created an event that can be placed in both the Japanese G1 continuity and this one. The only difference are the names that e-HOBBY used in the story.

In the UNITED/UNITED EX continuity, if it is the same as the Japanese G1 continuity, you have three periods it can happen... Especially since Chip Chase is involved: Latter 1990s, 2000-2003, and the period of time between Headmasters and Super-God Masterforce.

Latter 1990s, the U.S. Government teamed up with the Cybertrons. This could lead to the events happening in this series, but we have to rule it out since both factions were on Earth. 2000-2003 is more plausible, as the story is more centered on North America and not Japan (Car Robots). And the final mention is also plausible, especially since it allows the events started by Hasbro get a finishing touch... And allow characters long forgotten get a final bow.

Like I said before, while trying to not sound like a jerk or a noob: I pretty much know my Transformers continuities, and try avoid knowing more than the Japanese G1 timeline because it pulls me away from other things I enjoy.

As in repeating the fact that from 1985-2006, Takara and Hasbro paralleled each others works with elements that work for their respective works. From 2006 to now, the only change was the merger between Takara and Tomy. And from 2010 to 2012, Takara Tomy has been trying to parallel the Aligned continuity and Generations series with UNITED. UNITED became UNITED EX, much like how Operation Combination capped off their 7 year toyline.

And also, the name change also reflects why they are bringing the Generations 2 line to Japan, instead of continuing it in the UNITED line. And the way it is written, unless you believe that fansubs always use factual translations, it is capping off the UNITED line... As well as being an element that Takara Tomy may allow to bleed into the main timeline (as they have two solid areas, and one possible area with Chip Chase being involved).

Now if you don't mind... I currently dislike the entire UNITED franchise because its lack of direction and lack of substance allowed this to happen. Which I may thank you, as it means I can focus on other series I have been ignoring (ever since I joined this site in hopes of actually having fun and not this).

Am I the only one who buys the united figures for the pretty colours and not give a crap about the story line? Everything is Hasbro G1 to me, just fit into my classics shelf, they are their G1 self in my mind.

As for the case of the PCC, well I'll take them to be Superion, Devastator, Bruticus ECT....

gavinfuzzy wrote:Am I the only one who buys the united figures for the pretty colours and not give a crap about the story line? Everything is Hasbro G1 to me, just fit into my classics shelf, they are their G1 self in my mind.

As for the case of the PCC, well I'll take them to be Superion, Devastator, Bruticus ECT....

Then who are Double Clutch, Mudslinger and Grimstone?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

gavinfuzzy wrote:Am I the only one who buys the united figures for the pretty colours and not give a crap about the story line? Everything is Hasbro G1 to me, just fit into my classics shelf, they are their G1 self in my mind.

As for the case of the PCC, well I'll take them to be Superion, Devastator, Bruticus ECT....

Then who are Double Clutch, Mudslinger and Grimstone?

Crummy, decent and awesome in that order

gavinfuzzy wrote:Am I the only one who buys the united figures for the pretty colours and not give a crap about the story line? Everything is Hasbro G1 to me, just fit into my classics shelf, they are their G1 self in my mind.

As for the case of the PCC, well I'll take them to be Superion, Devastator, Bruticus ECT....

Honestly, all I said was that the story does not fit "as is" when it came to Japanese continuity. "As is"... As in the fact that anybody who has general knowledge of the Japanese G1 continuity can both tie the EX line into it while saying that the changes needed are extremely superficial.

Besides... I need to vent this out by stating that any enjoyed I had in the Aligned continuity was killed by two members here. And while I don't want to make a jerk notion of an assumption, his constant questioning had killed any thought of me enjoying this line as well.

Oh... And gavinfuzzy? Thanks for reminding me why Hasbro drove me crazy when they did their version of this line.

I simply don't understand why you're getting so worked up over one ittle story that we know barely anything about and hasn't even come out yet. All your info pertains to something else entirely. We know diddly-squatt about this story and yet you act like you have inside information about it that no one else knows about. I don't understand how any of what you're saying has to do with this yet-to-be released piece of fiction. You're confusing me.

Sabrblade wrote:I simply don't understand why you're getting so worked up over one ittle story that we know barely anything about and hasn't even come out yet.

Please. Seriously please stop assuming things about me. You and PrymeStriker are making me think you both want me gone with your constant questioning of my knowledge, smiles whenever I make a name-based typo... And his "I did nothing wrong" speech, which I am trying to forget. Because you both helped kill the Aligned continuity, and you killed this because of these acts.

Sabrblade wrote:All your info pertains to something else entirely. We know diddly-squatt about this story and yet you act like you have inside information about it that no one else knows about. I don't understand how any of what you're saying has to do with this yet-to-be released piece of fiction. You're confusing me.

Sorry that you know less about both Japanese G1 timeline and Japanese toyline than I thought you knew. Because if you knew both, you would have known that the UNITED toyline has nothing to do with either G1 continuities. That it uses names created by Hasbro, even which the story in question is tied to, and has made alterations to both facts and character designs.

Plus, you also disregarded the "as is" statement, the definition of "bleeding"... As well as examples to that - Action Masters, Powermasters, and Beast Wars are all examples to what they have done. And all were ignored by you for some reason. Hence, my ANNOYANCE was tied to your actions... Not the subject at hand. Because if you bothered knowing me, you would know that when I say stuff like that... It means that I want to see how this ties into what they are saying - Not me dismissing something, as you might as well be assuming.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Please. Seriously please stop assuming things about me. You and PrymeStriker are making me think you both want me gone with your constant questioning of my knowledge, smiles whenever I make a name-based typo... And his "I did nothing wrong" speech, which I am trying to forget. Because you both helped kill the Aligned continuity, and you killed this because of these acts.

What? I don't want anything of the sort. I'm simply asking these questions because I don't understand where you're coming from. I WANT to see from your point of view, and so I ask to get a better understanding.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Sorry that you know less about both Japanese G1 timeline and Japanese toyline than I thought you knew. Because if you knew both, you would have known that the UNITED toyline has nothing to do with either G1 continuities. That it uses names created by Hasbro, even which the story in question is tied to, and has made alterations to both facts and character designs.

But I wasn't talking about the United toyline.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Plus, you also disregarded the "as is" statement, the definition of "bleeding"... As well as examples to that - Action Masters, Powermasters, and Beast Wars are all examples to what they have done. And all were ignored by you for some reason. Hence, my ANNOYANCE was tied to your actions... Not the subject at hand. Because if you bothered knowing me, you would know that when I say stuff like that... It means that I want to see how this ties into what they are saying - Not me dismissing something, as you might as well be assuming.

Ok.

Sabrblade, I said I am done with the topic. I am more than burnt out trying to explain to you the difference between the Takara Tomy G1 and UNITED. All you do is pretty much make me feel like you are anything but confused.

So instead of responding to your responses, as they are going nowhere and have you be "confused" as well as have me say "UNITED is not meant to be G1... Period. However, Takara Tomy will use elements from the line if they choose to do such." to the point I feel like an idiot repeating that.

You can say whatever you want... As I am removing myself from not only this topic, but this line of Transformers. Because I am just tired of making it clear that Takara Tomy has a history of doing more than just making a toyline. They made their 1985-1992 line be interconnecting. Henkei!, Gentei!, and the other exclusives were interconnecting.

And UNITED and UNITED EX are interconnecting.

So in other words - UNITED is based on a G1 timeline. It is not part of their main G1 timeline. And they wanted any of it to be such, they will let the public know by creating a new G1 timeline that says what stories and events are part of it.

If that still confuses you, that is on you. I came back to Seibertron.com to have fun, and most of my time here now feels wasted. That is all I will say and I am moving on. As in no more responses, no more talks from me about UNITED... And hopefully me not feeling like I wasted my time learning how Takara Tomy handles their franchises, versus how Hasbro handles theirs.

So whatever you said... I did not read. I no longer care as it is probably repetitive and has you dismissing more things I said. So thanks for souring this series for me by claiming to be "confused" and not caring enough to realize what I was saying is tied to the SERIES and not just the STORY, which is TIED TO THE SERIES.