The Energon Pub

I mentioned this in the MP Skids thread, but it qualifies here as well. From what I've seen so far, MP Skids could be redone into Armada Red Alert with minor retooling. His alt mode wouldn't be totally accurate, but we'd have our 1st Armada Masterpiece.

Then again, if they do make an Armada MP. We all know it will be a Prime first...

william-james88 wrote:Elita 1 and Arcee have the same market price right now. So regardless of your reasoning why one would have a higher demand, the selling prices show that it's the same. Both sell at retail prices, both would sell if put on shelves right now. Plus, the fact that Arcee was a wide release (in theory) would mean that there was more of that toy produced than Elita 1. So if the market value is the same and there are more Arcees out there, then demand for Arcee is even greater than demand for Elita since to each the same price the greater supply has to meet a greater demand.

...it still just doesn't make logical sense to me, and I don't agree with it or the reissue decision, but I respect that you do your research and after sleeping on it I've become more conscious of the fact that continuing to argue about this doesn't...matter, since it won't stop the Arcee reissue from happening and I don't think either of us are going to change our minds anytime soon.

william-james88 wrote:That's the same reason 1 step fixit from RID sells for $50. I am certain it's not collectors paying those prices on e-bay.

There's high prices for both of Fixit's toys though, because there's only 2 of them and he was a main character on the show.

william-james88 wrote:And remember, the best selling 2017 TF toy was this overpriced non accurate bumblebee redeco which no collector wanted in their collection:

Couldn't possibly remember that because I didn't know that, that's equally irritating. Didn't something happen where the actually accurate Bee was super hard to find though because it didn't come until wave 3? People here have mentioned the later waves of TLK product had terrible distribution, and I feel like that would skew things because parents are gonna buy Bees no matter what, it seems like.

william-james88 wrote:We are not the target audience for any of this so consulting within our circles is not the way to assess demand.

Not really sure where else to go for info at this point though? Ebay prices CAN be accurate, but you have to completely disregard scalpers for a LOT of figures, and I don't exactly have a bunch of kids and parents around to interview about their taste/purchasing history regarding TF figures.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

william-james88 wrote:And remember, the best selling 2017 TF toy was this overpriced non accurate bumblebee redeco which no collector wanted in their collection:

Couldn't possibly remember that because I didn't know that, that's equally irritating. Didn't something happen where the actually accurate Bee was super hard to find though because it didn't come until wave 3? People here have mentioned the later waves of TLK product had terrible distribution, and I feel like that would skew things because parents are gonna buy Bees no matter what, it seems like.

william-james88 wrote:We are not the target audience for any of this so consulting within our circles is not the way to assess demand.

Not really sure where else to go for info at this point though? Ebay prices CAN be accurate, but you have to completely disregard scalpers for a LOT of figures, and I don't exactly have a bunch of kids and parents around to interview about their taste/purchasing history regarding TF figures.

For e-bay it's easy, just do what I did in the link I posted, just choose sold listings. That removes any crazy scalper price and shows what people are ready to spend.

And yes, totally, parents are gonna buy Bees no matter what. That's exactly what happened with that Bee. And that's my point, us collectors don't really factor into every decision Hasbro does. No collector wanted that Bee and it sold out. None of us collectors care for that Arcee, yet she sold out. That's all. I don't think our interest in the toy factored so heavily in the decision to have her back on the shelves. Very curious to see if she will sell well the second time around.

This Idea just came to me, however... I think it would be kind of cool if TT/Hasbro made toys of different ships from throughout the Transformers Timelines. Now I'm not talking about large scale playsets like the Titan Class Ark we are getting. But basically non Transformable display pieces (think something along the lines of people who like to display ships from Star Wars & Star Trek), maybe in the $20-$30 price range 6-10 inches long with some basic lights/sounds and a stand for each one.

I know after The Ark, most of the Autobot shuttles start to look similar. But getting toys of The Nemesis, Victory, and Revenge would be kind of like Having The Enterprise, Enterprise A, and D that many collectors like to have. But I'd defintely think it would be cool to have any and all ships. Even non Transformable versions of Omega Supreme and Skylynx in their Alt modes would be kind of cool to include in such a collection.

o.supreme wrote:This Idea just came to me, however... I think it would be kind of cool if TT/Hasbro made toys of different ships from throughout the Transformers Timelines. Now I'm not talking about large scale playsets like the Titan Class Ark we are getting. But basically non Transformable display pieces (think something along the lines of people who like to display ships from Star Wars & Star Trek), maybe in the $20-$30 price range 6-10 inches long with some basic lights/sounds and a stand for each one.

I know after The Ark, most of the Autobot shuttles start to look similar. But getting toys of The Nemesis, Victory, and Revenge would be kind of like Having The Enterprise, Enterprise A, and D that many collectors like to have. But I'd defintely think it would be cool to have any and all ships. Even non Transformable versions of Omega Supreme and Skylynx in their Alt modes would be kind of cool to include in such a collection.

Would be a great idea to license out, honestly. They made a small start with that in the Titanium Series together with Galoob:


Transformers Titanium Series Autobot Shuttle "Ark" Gallery

Yeah that was a good start, maybe just something slightly larger, and more detailed, also being made out of plastic as opposed to metal would keep costs down.

Scene sets could be cool, but if in Generations scale would be way too huge and expensive. Plus I don't think it would be a good seller.
Let's leave this to the third party companies, or cardboard assembly in a figure wave. The Netflix toys had the right idea but the damn exclusivity make it hard to hunt down the parts.

So how about make nice buildable scenery sets out of the transformers boxes themselves? The thing would be printed on the inside so all you'll have to do is to carefully unfold the box, cut along the dotted lines, and start building! To make a complete display, all the figures in the wave would be required. At least those figures would be normal retails, not damned exclusives.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

o.supreme wrote:This Idea just came to me, however... I think it would be kind of cool if TT/Hasbro made toys of different ships from throughout the Transformers Timelines. Now I'm not talking about large scale playsets like the Titan Class Ark we are getting. But basically non Transformable display pieces (think something along the lines of people who like to display ships from Star Wars & Star Trek), maybe in the $20-$30 price range 6-10 inches long with some basic lights/sounds and a stand for each one.

I know after The Ark, most of the Autobot shuttles start to look similar. But getting toys of The Nemesis, Victory, and Revenge would be kind of like Having The Enterprise, Enterprise A, and D that many collectors like to have. But I'd defintely think it would be cool to have any and all ships. Even non Transformable versions of Omega Supreme and Skylynx in their Alt modes would be kind of cool to include in such a collection.

Would be a great idea to license out, honestly. They made a small start with that in the Titanium Series together with Galoob:

There were also little figurines of the Axalon and Darksyde packed in with the BW 10th anniversary Primal and Megs figures.

I want to see 2 lines:

1) An IDW MTMTE line, with all those characters done official justice

2) I want to see a line where Armada/Movie/Prime/etc characters are given brand new beast modes but still have the same robot modes, like TLK Mohawk as a Hellhound. It would be so cool to beastify all kinds of characters outside of G1 and Beast Wars

Someone mentioned Rosanna and I'd be 100% down for that. Flip Sides too!

One thing I'd love to see happen is some of the older BotCon exclusive OC characters (Shokaract, CatSCAN, Antagony, Cataclysm etc) get decent Selects figures, preferably with some retooling from whatever mold they were based on. Antagony and Shokaract would be top of my list.

Also, new Tigerhawk, and Selects Razorclaw from it please!

I remember some people saying that HasTak might not be doing titan class anymore,which is a shame,because I still want Titan Class Tidal Wave


Day 443 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.

You're more likely going to see Tidal Wave as a Commander Class sooner or later (hopefully one that can combine with Megs...Titan Class would be too big for that)

I could definitely see them doing a CC Tidal Wave at some point which would be a better representation IMHO (hard to make a Titan fit as armor for Armada Megatron) .

A Titan Class Majin Zarak would be amazing, and fitting to this thread, because I'm pretty sure we will never see it.

Tidal Wave would have been ideal alongside Omega Supreme. Not that they've ever met but TW is literally the only Decepticon of the same size. Big Decepticons are severally underrepresented in the franchise.

Maybe the next trilogy could be a Unicron Trilogy reboot. Complete with Commander Tidalwave and Commander Armada Optimus Prime.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Tidal Wave would have been ideal alongside Omega Supreme. Not that they've ever met but TW is literally the only Decepticon of the same size. Big Decepticons are severally underrepresented in the franchise.

While Tidal Wave was initially seen as a Giant in his first couple appearances in ship mode, and on the PS2 game, the majority of his time on screen in Armada & Energon was just as a bigger-than-average bot, nowhere near as large as Omega Supreme or any other Titan.

I guess if you wanted specifically "PS2 Armada Video Game Tidal Wave", that could be a thing, and yes should go in this thread because it will likely never happen.

o.supreme wrote:While Tidal Wave was initially seen as a Giant in his first couple appearances in ship mode, and on the PS2 game, the majority of his time on screen in Armada & Energon was just as a bigger-than-average bot, nowhere near as large as Omega Supreme or any other Titan.

It does make me laugh when some of the fandom get so upset over scale. When the cartoons rarely cared that much

Then again, imagine a Leader Class Megatron that combines with a Titan Class Tidal Wave

I'm not upset, I'm just trying to have a conversation. This thread is all about what you want, that's fine. I want a Titan Class Ultra Magnus, because why not.

o.supreme wrote:I'm not upset, I'm just trying to have a conversation. This thread is all about what you want, that's fine. I want a Titan Class Ultra Magnus, because why not.

I wasn't aiming that at you, more a generalisation that we typically care a lot more than they do.

Besides, I want this guy - in Commander Class:



Energon Ultra Magnus - Another one very apt for this thread.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I'm not upset, I'm just trying to have a conversation. This thread is all about what you want, that's fine. I want a Titan Class Ultra Magnus, because why not.

I wasn't aiming that at you, more a generalisation that we typically care a lot more than they do.

Besides, I want this guy - in Commander Class:



Energon Ultra Magnus - Another one very apt for this thread.

I'd be down for this. And Overload. And Sentinel Maximus. And any other decos I might have missed. I always loved how that guy looked, with his "massive chunk of war" altmode and awesomely beefy robot mode.

He is one of the few I bought during the UT Era and absolutely adored. Probably my favourite alternate Ultra Magnus design.

As a fan of combiners, that is something I miss more about the Armada Toys. Although it was pretty hulking and impractical, I loved displaying Optimus along with Jetfire and Overload all together. Same with Megatron & Tidal Wave (I wondered if he could ever have a 3rd component, but where would it go) .

Energon Optimus Prime and Omega Supreme was fun. I even (impractically) added Wing Saber to them as well.

I never got any toys from Cybertron, but I heard that because of the way they combined, you could not have both the Savage Claw and Wing Saber on Prime at the same time...or am I incorrect on that? I'd like to think somehow you could make it work...

o.supreme wrote:As a fan of combiners, that is something I miss more about the Armada Toys. Although it was pretty hulking and impractical, I loved displaying Optimus along with Jetfire and Overload all together. Same with Megatron & Tidal Wave (I wondered if he could ever have a 3rd component, but where would it go) .

Energon Optimus Prime and Omega Supreme was fun. I even (impractically) added Wing Saber to them as well.

I never got any toys from Cybertron, but I heard that because of the way they combined, you could not have both the Savage Claw and Wing Saber on Prime at the same time...or am I incorrect on that? I'd like to think somehow you could make it work...

The AEC trilogy was the combination heaven for most of us.

I do to this day love my Armada Prime combination with Jetfire and Overload, its just so big, I have nowhere to display him.

As to Cybertron Prime, that is correct, since his arms folded backward to connect to Leobreaker, It got in the way of WingSaber.

There were some who removed Prime's arm to facilitate the full combination.

One of my favorites on the UT shelf is my combo of Powerlinx Prime, Powerlinx Jetfire, and Energon Magnus, the tower of death. i love it.

I am also on the Titan Tidal Wave boat (HA!)