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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby WarGraver » Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:57 pm

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Despite most of the drones being terrible, I am really disappointed that PCC seems to be over. Grimstrone still needs a predcon-based buddy.
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Samurai Bludgeon » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:07 pm

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How big is the Ultimate OP? I'm very curious to the total length (with trailer) and height in his armor-mode(at head cuz the panel are adjustable)-thanks!
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Megatron Wolf » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:15 pm

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The entire wave 2 set of the PCCs was and still is hard to find along with most figures that were suppose to be released at the same time. Hell there are still no RTS figures released over here except for the Battle in Space pack. Since hasbro seems to know this hopefully they'll fix the problem. Kinda upset that theres not going to be a Generations Arcee, it would've been epic.
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Vicalliose » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:20 pm

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[quote=Greg Lombardo]Those were meant to be the Prime toys. They are NOT Classics style figures.[/quote]
*Expletive deleted* and *Expletive deleted* son of a *Expletive deleted* God forsaken *Expletive deleted* piece of unholy *Expletive deleted* kebab loving *Expletive deleted* sucking, pie eating *Expletive deleted* pile of horse *Expletive deleted* they always *Expletive deleted* are!

Bull...

[quote=Greg Lombardo]We will get a new Prime and Megatron in larger sizes.[/quote]
Thank Primus for that at least. The deluxe figures REALLY suck.
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Blurrz » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:36 pm

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Vicalliose wrote:*Expletive deleted* and *Expletive deleted* son of a *Expletive deleted* God forsaken *Expletive deleted* piece of unholy *Expletive deleted* kebab loving *Expletive deleted* sucking, pie eating *Expletive deleted* pile of horse *Expletive deleted* they always *Expletive deleted* are!


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Elita-1 and Hot Shot Prime, her son of a legend, the great Optimus Prime, but sadly a bastard Autobot and certainly God forsaken. Hot Shot Prime ate a piece of unholy energon. A trick from Megatron, Hot Shot Prime continued matrix sucking, pie eating, and team killing fellow Autobots, hiding them in a pile of horse meat. Optimus was not impressed but saw it coming, as Autobots named Hot Shot, and certainly any character with flames, always disappoint him.... they always do. Thus Hot Shot was sent into another dimension. Little did Optimus know that it would be the Shattered Glass dimension, where Hot Shot Prime would serve with the Good Megatron, defying Optimus in yet another dimension. How silly the fates are!
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Galvatron X » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:36 pm

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Counterpunch wrote:-Powercore Combiners appear to be done...ish-
There was no trace of the line at Toy Fair.


Man, I don't mean to be a hater, but I hope this line fades away QUICKLY.


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Ooooh yeah, man. I'm still salivating over all those Joe pics. I think I'll definitely be shifting some cash from TFs to Joes this year.
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Requiem Prime » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:39 pm

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PCC -
I could have told them PCC was going downhill. They SHOULD have sold the limb drones separately. Instead they forced them into bundles, and often with weaker figures than the single packs.
And the mini-cons? Having four uses sounds good on paper, but doing all that (well) with minicon level engineering damn near impossible. I thrilled at the concept, but all I got was some robot contortionist doing awkward splits while pressed chest to chest with their commander.
More than a few of those arrangements? Very scaring.

Prime toys -
THANK YOU! They actually learned something! TFA's early death was engineered by their own actions against it and was completely inexcusable.
A semi-wave to hold us with mostly already quite good figures? :)
Full line later? :D
Bigger scale and better Prime and Megatron? =P~
As long as they're listening, have they seen that TRON Deluxe Clu toy's gimmick? With the face? I figure if they could get it to not hurt transforming or articulation it would make a sweet TFP Soundwave.

Generations/RtS/United Decos -
Finally, an explanation I will accept. That said, Takara has a really good model that the fan demographic with their own money drool over. Just saying.

DOTM toys -
That's nice, I'll check out the three mode guys, but still only planning to buy the real showstoppers.
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Autobot032 » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:01 pm

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Vicalliose wrote:A whine that doesn't even quote correctly...


Geeeeeez....

Why do you even waste your time being a fan any more? Seriously. Everything that comes out of you is negative and full of spite and bitterness.

We got it the first time, we got it the millionth time, we really did. We don't need a rehash of it.

Please, spare us!

Blurrz wrote:
Yay, Mad Libs!

Elita-1 and Hot Shot Prime, her son of a legend, the great Optimus Prime, but sadly a bastard Autobot and certainly God forsaken. Hot Shot Prime ate a piece of unholy energon. A trick from Megatron, Hot Shot Prime continued matrix sucking, pie eating, and team killing fellow Autobots, hiding them in a pile of horse meat. Optimus was not impressed but saw it coming, as Autobots named Hot Shot, and certainly any character with flames, always disappoint him.... they always do. Thus Hot Shot was sent into another dimension. Little did Optimus know that it would be the Shattered Glass dimension, where Hot Shot Prime would serve with the Good Megatron, defying Optimus in yet another dimension. How silly the fates are!


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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Optimum Supreme » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:06 pm

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Wow, lots of very informative stuff there, thanks. I especially found the stuff about pricing and decos for Takara vs Hasbro to be highly interesting.
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Dr. Caelus » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:21 pm

DotM toys are officially smaller? That's not horrible... It sucks for the movie collectors because comparable figures will now look off when put near each other (like when Jurassic Park III came out), but for the people who just complement their Classics/Generations toys with a few movie toys this works well - The movie cars (e.g. Bumblebee & Barricade) have been consistently over-sized next to Classics cars (e.g. Hot Rod & Prowl).


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Ditto. I saw a Mindset once a couple of months ago, but that's been it.
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby DTR69 » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:50 pm

Can someone explain a few things please.
1: Does hasbro have a set budget per wave, so i they need certain paint apps for a figure it has to come within budget, therefor some cheaper figures are at a set price and are subsadiing more expensive figures within the wave. Japan prices each figure separately, so if one figure is cheaper to make, it is cheap at price point?
2: If MP rodimus is a store exclusive, and it's not going well, does that mean the store has to pay to help fund production, and as it's an exclusive they have to pay more. And as no one has confirmed rights, hasbro acualy have decided the figure to be a store exclusive before a store even knows or wants the figure, there for, if no store wants it as an exclusive, hasbro won't make the figure available for general release, If so, why don't they sel dirct to us, and make us pay up front, so they can fund the production run, and we could get at a discounted rate.
3: PCC are absolute rubbish. When the first bits of info came out about the line, they said there was a pcc made from 28 figures, all the figures were interchangable and could make large combiners, out of several configurations, that was the gimmick. So far all it has been is the standard gestalt configuration, all poorly designed, why can't they make a gestalt that is better than a g1 gestalt, it's unbeleivable. It totaly proves my point that all the imature gimmicks aimed at the kiddy market don't work, either that or that kids aren't buying into transformers. Also Gestalts made with funky limbs aren't selling, so why are they repeating the same mistake. Fansproject have to keep mopping up the mess hasbro are making. Is fansproject actually Hasbro, and there way of releasing half of a design and throwing some rubbish together, then releasing the real parts which make the figure good at a higher price.
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Noideaforaname » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:09 pm

I love the PCCs, but distribution is horrific with them. The 2-packs are still stuck on Wave 1! The 5-packs have done well (no worse than the other lines, at least), so that whole interchangable combining drone gimmick IS selling. But Smolder, Huffer, and Searchlight evidently are not.
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Shockwave7 » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:14 pm

I never liked the Crapper-Core Comcrappers. Good riddance. However, it doesn't look like I'll be collecting much this year. None of the DotM figures did anything for me. Those giant weapons just make them look too weird.

Which means that except for the generations and reveal the shield figures that are coming out in the next few months, I have nothing to look forward to this year except the Prime figures this fall.
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Slashercon » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:17 pm

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Slashercon wrote:Wait, if the DOTM toys are simply smaller than before because of the Mech Tech gimmick, WHY THE HECK DID THE REUSE THE SAME D@#N VOYAGER RATCHET FOR ALL THREE MOVIES??!! I WANTED A NEWLY MOLDED VOYAGER RATCHET THAT WAS SIMPLY SMALLER, AND WHEN HASBRO HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY, THEY DIDN'T CAPITALIZE ON IT!! WHAT THE HECK??!! (Ugh!! Anyway, I'm just glad I passed on HFTD Bumblebee so I could get the better looking DOTM deluxe Bumblebee. At least he's the same size.) One major upside the DOTM toys being smaller though is that Skids and Mudflap can be in better scale with ma collection.


The DotM Deluxe Ratchet is entirely new.


XD :) AH, hahahahahahaha!!! Um, quick question: IS IT VOYAGER??!! NO!! Having a deluxe Ratchet next to a deluxe BB is like a leader class Optimus with a leader class BB. (Oh, but Ironhide gets a new voyager class AND a leader class?! It clearly would've have made more sense as Ratchet is thinner/shorter than 'Hide, but taller than BB.
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Powermaster Jazz » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:37 pm

I blame the third party crap for Hasbro not making Arcee, Ultra Magnus, and Springer
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Autobot032 » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:58 pm

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Powermaster Jazz wrote:I blame the third party crap for Hasbro not making Arcee, Ultra Magnus, and Springer


You're entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong.

How many years went by without a new Ultra Magnus?

From his original appearance in 1986, there was Magnus nothing until Takara, not Hasbro, created God Magnus for the Car Robots line. Hasbro merely redecoed, repacked, and renamed it into Ultra Magnus.

(I won't count the Masterpiece because he never made it to US shelves, and he was a Takara item anyway.)

From there, the next one was a Heroes Of Cybertron PVC in the '00s.

Then there was the rare and highly sought after Titanium.

There was the Classics figure, but it was nothing but a BORING redeco of Classics Optimus.

FansProject merely made a trailer/armor set to make the Classics figure do something other than collect dust. They didn't make a new figure, they didn't steal a design, they made an accessory.

So, you can't win on that one.

Arcee?

We received a TM2 Blackarachnia redeco for Botcon one year, we received an Energon Scout Class (can't remember the class's name now) that was an original mold and design, but it took them 19 years to do it.

She had a new mold for the first movie, but that was scrapped so we ended up getting only the toy. A good one, but again, an after thought.

We received another Arcee for the second movie, and everyone wants to be crazed villagers and take pitchforks to the Frankenstein monster.

We're getting yet another bike Arcee, for TF:P, but yet again...it's a bike. After all these years, we've asked them to give us a car, just once. Just. Once. They haven't done it, they obviously won't do it, so here comes 3rd party to the rescue.

Will Hasbro tackle a car mode Arcee at this point? Probably not, not since the 3rd parties are, so I'll give you half a point on this one, but still...there wouldn't be a market it for it Hasbro would've just given us the damn figure.

Same goes for Springer. Out of all of these years, we've received crappy repaints, one semi nice new mold (Energon, though he wasn't named Springer, so you can't count him completely.) and a Legends Class Osprey for one of the movies.

3rd party to the rescue, again.

Instead of Hasbro trying to figure out how to redeco the same Optimus Prime mold for the UMPTEENTH time, they could spend a little of that money on the figures we want. I mean, out of all of the triple changers they could've made, they chose Octane? They skipped Springer??

3rd parties wouldn't exist, or at least wouldn't be as prevalent if Hasbro would give us these figures.

Now, I admit, they've given us a kick ass Tracks, Jazz, Wheeljack, and Wreck-Gar, so I do recognize that they don't ignore us, but three figures out of all these decades....Ultra Magnus, Arcee, and Springer...?

C'mon. So the 3rd parties made 2.5 figures come to fruition and it's all their fault? Puhleeze.
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby DTR69 » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:58 pm

Powermaster Jazz wrote:I blame the third party crap for Hasbro not making Arcee, Ultra Magnus, and Springer


1: Din't stop them releasing the mp trailer after several 3rd party companies released several versions.
2: The third party versions were released in small quantities compared to a full hasbro release, and were only bought by ault collectors. If us adult collectors are only a small part of the customer base [I think we are the bulk, but who's to say] then we really haven't dented the possible numbers that could be snapped up.
3: Third Party crap, there is no way Hasbro would have given us an Ultra Magnus Trailer that good, and if it wasn't for FansProject Gestalt Add ons, I would never have bought Superion or Bruticus, and the same could be said for alot of other people. Third Parties have not dented Hasbro's profits, if anything they have helped. Hasbro can easily step in and release what ever the third party has, as third parties can't produce in large numbers, hasbro could use there releases to test the water, if it works do it thereselves on large scale and eat all the profits, without the risk.
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Powermaster Jazz » Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:08 pm

I stand by my opinion.
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Godzillabot Primal » Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:12 pm

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This may seem odd but I really like the PCC line, sure the drone’s commander fig’s sucked but I have a weak spot for suckish transformers, example I took BW Cheetor over GEN Cheetor, I got TFA waspinator and threw it out in favor of BW waspinator....so as you can see I have a weak spot for them :-$
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby DTR69 » Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:16 pm

Powermaster Jazz wrote:I stand by my opinion.


Nothing wrong with that, I'd like to hear your theory why, not so I can argue back, becuase I've fully explained my side. But if I'm missing something I'm all ears, I think my side is pretty water tight, so I must be missing somethng, as much as I am opionated, I'm also very open minded.
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Autobot032 » Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:24 pm

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Powermaster Jazz wrote:I stand by my opinion.


Stand by it all you want, that's fine. Just don't be surprised when it collapses under you and goes poof.
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Powermaster Jazz » Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:24 pm

DTR69 wrote:
Powermaster Jazz wrote:I stand by my opinion.


Nothing wrong with that, I'd like to hear your theory why, not so I can argue back, becuase I've fully explained my side. But if I'm missing something I'm all ears, I think my side is pretty water tight, so I must be missing somethng, as much as I am opionated, I'm also very open minded.


Actually what you said made my point. Hasbro is fine with the third party stuff so that's why they don't have to make certain figures because people are satisfied with the overpriced third party stuff. I for one don't wanna pay 100-200 bucks for a toy that's not worth the price in my opinion. If that Ultra Magnus armor was 40 or 50 bucks it'd be different.

But most people are satisfied with the third party stuff so whatever...I know I'm in the minority.
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby MagnusPrimal » Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:25 pm

And yet people still want Hasbro versions. If Hasbro released
a proper Ultra Magnus, rather than just a white repaint of Prime, I'd be all over it. And I doubt I'm the only one. So the 3rd party stuff isn't to blame for Hasbro not giving us figures.
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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby LOST Cybertronian » Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:29 pm

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There was no trace of the line at Toy Fair. The rep seemed surprised that Undertow wasn't at market yet and that the Dinobots were hard to find.


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Re: Things I learned at Toy Fair

Postby Counterpunch » Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:59 pm

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Counterpunch wrote:
Slashercon wrote:Wait, if the DOTM toys are simply smaller than before because of the Mech Tech gimmick, WHY THE HECK DID THE REUSE THE SAME D@#N VOYAGER RATCHET FOR ALL THREE MOVIES??!! I WANTED A NEWLY MOLDED VOYAGER RATCHET THAT WAS SIMPLY SMALLER, AND WHEN HASBRO HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY, THEY DIDN'T CAPITALIZE ON IT!! WHAT THE HECK??!! (Ugh!! Anyway, I'm just glad I passed on HFTD Bumblebee so I could get the better looking DOTM deluxe Bumblebee. At least he's the same size.) One major upside the DOTM toys being smaller though is that Skids and Mudflap can be in better scale with ma collection.


The DotM Deluxe Ratchet is entirely new.


XD :) AH, hahahahahahaha!!! Um, quick question: IS IT VOYAGER??!! NO!!


How annoying.
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