Rodimus Prime wrote:It was kinda funny. It's a somewhat extreme way of looking at things, but there are probably plenty of people like that out there.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
Evil_the_Nub wrote:I think it's one of those squeaky wheel situations. People like that whine the loudest and get more attention than they should. Most of the people on this site are pretty sane and reasonable.
Capt.Failure wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:It was kinda funny. It's a somewhat extreme way of looking at things, but there are probably plenty of people like that out there.
Considering that 70% of the people here are like that, 5% discuss their dislike rationaly, 10% are snide and condescending toward fans in their dislike, and 15% actually liked the films I'd say the video heavily favors the majority of posters here.
I guess there's some measure of pride in being part of the 70%. Whatever pride that might be is horribly misplaced though. I'll stick with the vast numerically superior majority that enjoyed the films and aren't full blown Transformers fans. If these films taught me anything it's the immaturity of fandoms.
Rodimus Prime wrote:And these figures are your opinion. Unless you read though every poster's every post regarding the live action movies, you cannot possibly state those as accurate. We all have our opinions of the films as well as other aspects of the franchise, whether it be toys, comics, cartoons, whatever. I am not disagreeing that there are a lot of fans who think of themselves as elitist, holier-than-thou, especially when it comes to the movies. And the Internet is the main outlet for nerd rage. Especially places like this, where most of us can stay anonymous and hide behind a screen name and spew our cerebral bile at others, especially when it's something different than what others say. I have done this on occasion, and so have you. We all think we're right, that's why we say what we say. The difference in posters is their ability to handle when they're told/proven wrong. Some are mature and open-minded and after some measure of defense of their point of view, they accept having been mistaken. Some don't. On the other hand, there are those who stand on their little soapboxes and preach at others about how they should behave and look at this wonderful TF Universe.
That's probably the best for all involved. I've been a fan of Transformers since 1984 and have been around the fandom since I had internet access. (Before that I didn't associate with a "fandom" I was just 1 of a bunch of friends who liked toys, comics and cartoons.) I already knew of the immaturity of fandoms before the movies came out.
Capt.Failure wrote:Well Rodimus if it makes you feel better you're in that "civil 5%" I mentioned.
Rodimus Prime wrote:How can you get respect if you don't give respect to get it? Only way, is if the other person doesn't go by that theory.
Capt.Failure wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:How can you get respect if you don't give respect to get it? Only way, is if the other person doesn't go by that theory.
It falls on the initiator of the conversation to attempt to be respectful.
As for myself, I've lost respect for all but a few on these forums. Attempting to show respect got me personal attacks and snide insinuations. So yeah...
Rodimus Prime wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:How can you get respect if you don't give respect to get it? Only way, is if the other person doesn't go by that theory.
It falls on the initiator of the conversation to attempt to be respectful.
Yeah, I realized this as I was re-reading my post.As for myself, I've lost respect for all but a few on these forums. Attempting to show respect got me personal attacks and snide insinuations. So yeah...
Key is to not take it personally. The other day someone told me to eat **** and commit suicide, because I posted that I listened to a Lady Gaga song. Now, this poster has been belligerent recently, but not to me. So I wasn't sure if it was because of the song, or because the person was just inconsiderate. I didn't respond, partly because a moderator handled it by the time I saw it, and partly because these comments don't bother me anymore. Back in the day (like, when I joined this place 10 years ago) I would have flamed them until I got banned or they left. But now it just rolls off my back. (Lot of **** has happened in my personal life as well, giving me Rhinox skin (or an Iron hide; pick one ))
Anyway, it doesn't pay to be the moral police in places like these. You'll only be wasting your time and energy. People who post crap will sooner or later be washed away by it. Mark the few posters you really see optic-to-optic with and stick to conversations with them. Most inappropriate stuff is handled fairly quickly and swiftly by the mods here. Keep in mind that in the end, this is a fan board for fun and recreation. It's not a job or a life-necessity. If you treat it as such, it won't end well. It's like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
Capt.Failure wrote: It has nothing at all to do with who liked or disliked what, but everything to do with civility and respect. Sadly the fandom at large knows nothing of these concepts, at least online.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote:Capt.Failure wrote: It has nothing at all to do with who liked or disliked what, but everything to do with civility and respect. Sadly the fandom at large knows nothing of these concepts, at least online.
I think this sums it up perfect. People can like, or dislike whatever they want. But its how people go about expressing that like or dislike. And one of the biggest problems i have with those that don't like the movies within the fandom is the amount of disrespect they have for the people involved.
For whatever reason people love to take personal stabs at the actors, writers and Bay. we all know Bay got death threats and his house broken into by fans. After that people found ways to personally attack nearly everyone involved with the movies.
The most recent was in the thread regarding Rosie Huntion Whitely (sorry, I'm pretty sure i spelt her name wrong) in which she commented that Shia might be up for returning for a 4th movie. Someone made a comment..
"Who cares what this moron has to say!" She's stupid!"
Really? Was a comment like that about a person whom you've never meet in your life really necessary? The answer is no. No, its not. People also seem to love to take stabs at Shia. Again, completely unnecessary and indefensible. I read this ignorant comments and wonder how anyone can take the fandom seriously, or respect their opinions.
Now to be fair, this isn't just limited to the TF fandom. Nearly every "geek" fandom is guilty of this in some shape or form, but if people seriously want people to take them seriously and listen to them then these personal attacks need to stop.
Biddybot wrote:Oh dear… I can’t watch the youtube link that started this thread, but given the OP’s commentary, immediately assumed that it had to be the infamous Mrs. Optimus Prime’s latest incoherent rant about the fictional love of her life. Just the fact that I made that assumption probably says a lot about my own feelings reference extreme fans in general.
Which brings up this: One question I’ve never, ever gotten an answer to, from ANY fandom, is why the extremism is the first place? Why does everything have to be either/or? Hate or love? Basher or…or blind supporter, I guess? (I’m not sure what the usual fan term for the opposite of a basher is these days.) What about fans who have a more nuanced response, the ones who look at every new offering from a dual viewpoint, both objective and subjective, at the same time—where do they fit in? I mean, I KIND OF HATE certain aspects of DOTM in the same sense I loathe some of the Star Wars movie Revenge Of The Sith. And yet both movies have also given me the things I LOVE MOST out of both respective franchises to date. So what sort of label does that rate? If I went to a Transformer convention, would I get to wear both buttons, the I HATE BAYFORMERS and the I LOVE BAYFORMERS ones, together?
I also like dogs AND cats. Never did get some peoples‘ insistence over choosing only one or the other…never will…
Biddybot wrote:Oh dear… I can’t watch the youtube link that started this thread, but given the OP’s commentary, immediately assumed that it had to be the infamous Mrs. Optimus Prime’s latest incoherent rant about the fictional love of her life. Just the fact that I made that assumption probably says a lot about my own feelings reference extreme fans in general.
Which brings up this: One question I’ve never, ever gotten an answer to, from ANY fandom, is why the extremism is the first place? Why does everything have to be either/or? Hate or love? Basher or…or blind supporter, I guess? (I’m not sure what the usual fan term for the opposite of a basher is these days.) What about fans who have a more nuanced response, the ones who look at every new offering from a dual viewpoint, both objective and subjective, at the same time—where do they fit in? I mean, I KIND OF HATE certain aspects of DOTM in the same sense I loathe some of the Star Wars movie Revenge Of The Sith. And yet both movies have also given me the things I LOVE MOST out of both respective franchises to date. So what sort of label does that rate? If I went to a Transformer convention, would I get to wear both buttons, the I HATE BAYFORMERS and the I LOVE BAYFORMERS ones, together?
I also like dogs AND cats. Never did get some peoples‘ insistence over choosing only one or the other…never will…
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