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wtf is it?

tyler1451 wrote:wtf is it?

IDK...

tyler1451 wrote:wtf is it?

The only thing I can think of is how Spike in the original movie yelled "Oh Sh*t" when Unicron survived the moon bombing in the original film.

Either way, it's a ridiculous thing to emulate and these homages are driving me insane.

I don't think it's an homage at all. It's just something people say when someting bad is about to occure just before it happens. In the immortal words of Bill Cosby, "First you say it, then you do it." The phrase was used in the '86 movie for one purpose, to garner a PG rating and thus increase the audience demographic. They did not want a G rating since that would have relegated the movie to only little kids, which was the mind-set of the time. Swearing guaranteed a PG rating. In the context though, it was appropriate because Spike and Bumblebee just realized just how screwed they really were.

In the live action movie, Frenzy says it because he ralized he just screwed himself with his own weapon, just before he died. It was just a natural reaction. There is no connection between the two movies, no homage.

Yeah, I don't think the homage is intentional either. It is ironic that in both movies, Spike says "oh ****!" (at least, I think that's what he said when Barricade starts chasing after him). There's a lot of parallels that could be drawn between the two movies but I really doubt that anyone was trying to do that intentionally.

Seibertron wrote:Yeah, I don't think the homage is intentional either. It is ironic that in both movies, Spike says "oh ****!" (at least, I think that's what he said when Barricade starts chasing after him). There's a lot of parallels that could be drawn between the two movies but I really doubt that anyone was trying to do that intentionally.

I'd hope not. There's so many other items of interest that one could emulate.

I don't think so...

"Oh ****" seems to me to be a universal reaction when faced with giant killer robots... I don't think it's an allusion to the '86 film, I think it's just the reality of the situation.

I have to agree with others. "Oh ****!" is something most people would say in such a situation. Of course I may say "Holy ****!" when I first see them transform but if one comes after me I would say it. And I would say it in Frenzy's situation as well.

It's a conspiracy to get all children in the world to speak foul language.

I'm sure thats what all the family groups and other whiners would say. Personally I think it is mere coincidence, I mean there are a few other choice words that could substitute "****" when something bad, involving giant robots is about to occur, but **** does just fine.

It's a cheap laugh is all.

There are very few intentional Homages in this movie, the guys writing and directing it simply didn't know the source material well enough for subtlies like that.

Yours AK

Now that I seriously disagree with. Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman have both gone on record as saying they have been die-hard fans of the original G1 series since they were kids. Just because you didn't like the movie because it wasn't made the way you wanted it, doesn't mean the writers are not fans or that they don't know the source material. There is only so much you can put into a single movie. Michael Bay may not have known much coming in, but Orci and Kurtzman did.

There were plenty of intentional homages to G1 in that movie, The use of "Oh $#!^" simply was not one of them.

There could be a connection. The movie is sprinkled with obvious homages to the 1986 Movie.

Frenzy could have said "f*ck" or "oh no" or "dam" or "holy allspark!"

But, oh no, he just have to pick one line up from the old Movie!

Tramp wrote:Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman have both gone on record as saying they have been die-hard fans of the original G1 series since they were kids.

True but I don't believe them, as the movie showed little or no evidence to support their claim. Maybe that was Bays influence but either way it came across as poorly concieved and badly reserched. You may not and it is right not to agree but that's how I saw it, You're right that I feel that way becuase the movie wasn't made the way I wanted it, I wanted it made in a way that was respectful to the source material. IMO they didn't deliver that.

Yours AK

Basically, Bay sprinkled the movie with a little homage to please the TF fans.

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Tramp wrote:Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman have both gone on record as saying they have been die-hard fans of the original G1 series since they were kids.

True but I don't believe them, as the movie showed little or no evidence to support their claim. Maybe that was Bays influence but either way it came across as poorly concieved and badly reserched. You may not and it is right not to agree but that's how I saw it, You're right that I feel that way becuase the movie wasn't made the way I wanted it, I wanted it made in a way that was respectful to the source material. IMO they didn't deliver that.

Yours AK

And I felt that they did deliver and were respectful. I wasn't expecting a straight G1 movie with the G1 designs. I felt it was very well put together and very well thought out. It had plenty of homages and Easter eggs to satisfy the dir-hard fans and was fresh enough to bring in new audiences, which was the whole point. And, it worked. The movie is one of the highest grossing movies of the year. If they had done the movie the way you thought it should, it would have flopped because only the die-hard fans would have gone to see it. Would you have wanted that to happen?

Tramp wrote:And I felt that they did deliver and were respectful.

Good for you, thats you opinion and this is mine.

Tramp wrote:I wasn't expecting a straight G1 movie with the G1 designs.

neither was I, which I believe I have already explained in another thread in which you were involved.

Tramp wrote:I felt it was very well put together and very well thought out. It had plenty of homages and Easter eggs to satisfy the dir-hard fans and was fresh enough to bring in new audiences, which was the whole point. And, it worked. The movie is one of the highest grossing movies of the year.

Again I'm glad you thought so, congratulations. However in my little world making mega buck isnt the be all and end all of making a good movie, plus I believe you can make a tidy profit without compromising on integrity. There are more ways than one to make a movie to turn a profit, it my opinion this was the easy way but not the only or best way.

Tramp wrote:If they had done the movie the way you thought it should, it would have flopped because only the die-hard fans would have gone to see it. Would you have wanted that to happen?

A) How do you know that? You obviously don't know how I 'wanted it made' because you're under the impression in of the "straight G1 movie with the G1 designs" schjool of though of which I am most certainly a subscriber.

B) Would I have wanted it to flop if it had been made the way I 'wanted it made'? no. Would I have liked it any less if it had? No. Would I have respected them for making it that way despite it's commercial failure? Certainly. Would I remain a TF fan? Most definitely and more die-hard than I am now which I am not I can assure you.

Is that OK with you?

Yours AK

Alex Kingdom wrote:Again I'm glad you thought so, congratulations. However in my little world making mega buck isnt the be all and end all of making a good movie, plus I believe you can make a tidy profit without compromising on integrity. There are more ways than one to make a movie to turn a profit, it my opinion this was the easy way but not the only or best way.

Integrity? G1? I think we give the cartoon far too much credit because we grew up with it, and childhood memories are attached to it.

No offense, but the show was nothing more than a thirty minute commercial to sell toys, and it worked. Oh sure, some characters were definitely remarkable (at least more than others) but integrity? The only one of the characters that had any, was Optimus Prime. And that was captured in the new movie just fine.

I'm not trying to sell you on it, I'm not trying to get you to change your mind.

I just want you to realize that you put too much faith into something that doesn't hold up under close scrutiny. (and neither does the movie, don't get me wrong.)

Alex Kingdom wrote:There are more ways than one to make a movie to turn a profit, it my opinion this was the easy way but not the only or best way.

I wouldn't exactly call it easy. There's a LOT of work put into this film. If anything, it's walking safe premade roads, formulas which have proved their popularity. But in no way whatsoever did they get lazy.

Rushie wrote:

Alex Kingdom wrote:There are more ways than one to make a movie to turn a profit, it my opinion this was the easy way but not the only or best way.

I wouldn't exactly call it easy. There's a LOT of work put into this film. If anything, it's walking safe premade roads, formulas which have proved their popularity. But in no way whatsoever did they get lazy.

the only thing wrong with it is that they focused more on the humans than the giant fukin robots, speaking of which, whis is about homages not about the movie quality!

Autobot032 wrote:Integrity? G1? I think we give the cartoon far too much credit because we grew up with it, and childhood memories are attached to it.

I don't give the cartoon too much credit because I was not referring to the cartoon in the first place. i was referring the the integrity of the writers, directer etc.. and their commitment to write and direct a good movie not just do whats necessary to make the studio and themselves a whole heap of money. The G1 cartoon was similarly single minded which is why I find it so bizarre that so may pro-movie people think us 'Hater' wanted a straight retelling of G1, I can think of nothing worse. IMO there is so much more worthy stories and characters available to draw on in the transformers rich mythology that that.

Rushie wrote:I wouldn't exactly call it easy. There's a LOT of work put into this film. If anything, it's walking safe premade roads, formulas which have proved their popularity. But in no way whatsoever did they get lazy.

That's what I meant by 'easy', not easy to make but easy to make a lot of money without taking any risks whatsoever. Maybe a better choice of word would have been 'safe' but you seem to have read between the lines and got right to what I meant anyway.

tyler1451 wrote:the only thing wrong with it is that they focused more on the humans than the giant fukin robots, speaking of which, whis is about homages not about the movie quality!

Indeed, which I believe is what originally commented on before I was forced to defend my comments. So lets get beck on topic shall we?

Yours AK

The thing is though that theyre are plenty of homages in this movie, the "oh $#!^" comment was just not one of them. The yellow VW bug in the used car lot was one of them, Prime's myriad lines and quotes both from his toy motto to the quotes taken diretly from the old movie in his confrontation with Megatron, The interaction between Megatron and Starscream, Starscream's reaction when Blackout said "and save Lord megatron." was another. These were all homages to the original., and they are only the tip of the iceberg. This movie was full of homages.

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Tramp wrote:Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman have both gone on record as saying they have been die-hard fans of the original G1 series since they were kids.

True but I don't believe them, as the movie showed little or no evidence to support their claim. Maybe that was Bays influence but either way it came across as poorly concieved and badly reserched. You may not and it is right not to agree but that's how I saw it, You're right that I feel that way becuase the movie wasn't made the way I wanted it, I wanted it made in a way that was respectful to the source material. IMO they didn't deliver that.

Yours AK

I agree with AK. I don't believe the writers were die-hard fans, despite their claim. They probably watched a few episodes and were familiar with the TF universe. Just putting in some homages doesn't make you a die-hard fan. It does make you a cheesy writer though. And some people love cheese.

I love cheese. But only when I'm eating it. In fiction, cheese is best used sparingly, rather than making a movie out of cheese. But I don't think any of us were expecting an epic anyway. Like my fiancee said to me before we even got into the theatre. "Don't get too excited beacuse you know it's just going to be a big dumb summer movie."

And if I'm honest, all the references were annoying as hell, and the worst kind of cheese there could be. Especially the use of more than meets the eye. Gawd.

On topic though, I'd say no, almost certainly that Frenzy's expletive was not a homage.

If they really wanted a "Oh ****" homage, they would have made Sam say that when being chased by Barricade.