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by **SodaPoptimus** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:59 pm

I created this account...just to say how B.S. it is that there's no G1 scream

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:24 pm

SodaPoptimus wrote:I created this account...just to say how B.S. it is that there's no G1 scream

You mean the original G1 toy? You can have your optinion but the OG seekers are out because they are basically Mr Potato. ¯\_( ͡°ヮ ͡°)_/¯

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:39 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:
SodaPoptimus wrote:I created this account...just to say how B.S. it is that there's no G1 scream

You mean the original G1 toy? You can have your optinion but the OG seekers are out because they are basically Mr Potato. ¯\_( ͡°ヮ ͡°)_/¯

Well that's just your opinion...

I'd put the G1 figure ahead of any of those movie abominations. They always looked like **** to me regardless of their engineering.

News Credits: 6 · by **TulioDude** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:43 pm

Broke:Original G1 toy

WOKE:Pretender Starscream.

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:48 pm

Burn wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
SodaPoptimus wrote:I created this account...just to say how B.S. it is that there's no G1 scream

You mean the original G1 toy? You can have your optinion but the OG seekers are out because they are basically Mr Potato. ¯\_( ͡°ヮ ͡°)_/¯

Well that's just your opinion...

I'd put the G1 figure ahead of any of those movie abominations. They always looked like **** to me regardless of their engineering.

G1 Starscream being "Mr Potato" is a fact. A main body and accessories that you plug in to have the look you want (assuming you have the other seekers to mix-n-match). This make the toy horrible yet genius at the same time.

As for "Doritos" Movie Starscream, I was a denier at first... until I had in hand the HFTD leader. It blew my mind and made me find the genius behind the design.
Still, I do wonder what happenned to Starscream between Cybertronian mode in the Bee moovie and his Earth mode in the main series? Did he become a couch potato, eating energon ice cream while watching TV all day for years? :-?

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:57 pm

You seem to quick to reject SodaPoptimus' opinion ("the OG seekers are out") but determined to push your opinion ...

News Credits: 1 · by **Gauntlet101010** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:07 pm

I appreciated G1 SS when I got the old Dreamwave version. He has nice heft and a good look. But. I mean. Earthrise hits all the nostalgia buttons the G1 toy does, but does it better. If I had the option as a kid I'd have LOVED ER Screawer because that's a better representation of how he was in the cartoon.

As a toy ... Leader-1 does it better. *dodges a brick*

I don't think you can truly compare G1 toys - as toys - to modern toys. And I'd hope not because it'd be sad if there weren't upward movement from the Diaclone era.

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:07 pm

Burn wrote:You seem to quick to reject SodaPoptimus' opinion ("the OG seekers are out") but determined to push your opinion ...

Oppinion shmopinion, any Transformers that basically explode in a million pieces to transform, with high possibility of parts being easily lost, can't make any list unless it's a "partformers" list.

As much that G1 God Ginrai is in my personal top five favorite "Optimus" toys of all time, I know that realistically, there's way, WAY "better" Optimus toys out there.

By the way, my opinion is ABSOLUTE and is written into an United Nation law. [-(

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:17 pm

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I don't think you can truly compare G1 toys - as toys - to modern toys. And I'd hope not because it'd be sad if there weren't upward movement from the Diaclone era.

I don't know about that. Some G1 toys still hold up pretty damn solidly even by today's standards. G1 Optimus Prime being so good. Only true flaw is the partforming fists, quickly forgiven because of the "storage space" in the diaclone seats of the cab.

There's also G1 Jetfire with it's insane engineering for the time. Also G1 Shockwave where only the MP can beat it's magesty due to superior articulations.

Oh, and to go back to G1 Starscream, yes, Super Gobots Leader 1 is the better toy. It's only flaw being the jet wings that become floppy over the years.

by **Ultra Markus** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:17 pm

TF-fan kev777 wrote:
angtre wrote:Comparing toys cross-franchise makes little sense, sorry. Next time, I'd just focus on how well a specific version of a character - be it the G1 original, Movieverse or another - got translated into toys.

Making a top 5 list where you are forced to include meh or downright crappy toys because you limited yourself to only G1 or only movieverse figures also makes little sense as well.

theres more than just movie or G1, bayverse is just crap yes the bayverse is a good jet and for a robot with chicken legs and gorilla arms i guess its also good but as starscream it is crap
we could of had the awesome thrilling 30 armada starscream or the fall of cybertron starscream energon or armada starscream, universe starscream, classics starscream, Titanium starscream, RTS legends starscrean, robot masters Starscream generations legends starscream with waspinator, combiner wars starscream and so on
yes i know some of those are crap too but inplace of the two bayverse should have had at the very least t30 armada starscream and generations legends starscream :-D

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:21 pm

IMO, I would have put all 3 Bayverse Starscreams (SS, MPM, HFTD) in the same spot at number whatever and used the free spot for......

................Machine Wars! :KREMZEEK:

News Credits: 18 · by **blackeyedprime** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:29 pm

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I appreciated G1 SS when I got the old Dreamwave version. He has nice heft and a good look. But. I mean. Earthrise hits all the nostalgia buttons the G1 toy does, but does it better. If I had the option as a kid I'd have LOVED ER Screawer because that's a better representation of how he was in the cartoon.

As a toy ... Leader-1 does it better. *dodges a brick*

I don't think you can truly compare G1 toys - as toys - to modern toys. And I'd hope not because it'd be sad if there weren't upward movement from the Diaclone era.

Sadly you can, a lot of G1 and even the worlds tinyest small g1 vwrsions are superior to modern day versions especially if they were diaclone in origin.

take the recent hoist as an example, diaclone may have had a bit less posability (but no floppy knees), diecast metal, projectiles, hand options, matching paint and was compatable with Ultra Magnus. try putting wfc hoist into any wfc ultra magnus. then add clear windshields and a pilot area, boom. But wait, yeagh it had most of the main stickers factory applied which are neat an all but then the reissue used sweet tampos.

Thats why TF collection G1 starscream def makes the list for me, they might not be able to add the posability to them of the new figures but that they can still get a few little tweeks to improve them and it really is icing on the cake. Unless you dont like icing or its a fruit cake, which fair enough some G1 stuff is.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:37 pm

Plus G1 Starscream doesn't look like a flaming pile of **** that's been thrown against the wall like those movie versions.

No love for Energon Starscream though, and he's virtually just an upscaled G2 Smokescreen.

News Credits: 1 · by **Gauntlet101010** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:24 pm

Just can't agree on G1 toys truly holding up.

It's true that standards have slipped when it comes to QC. But durability is just one piece of the puzzle. Modern toys look like the characters they were made to represent with clever transformations and actual articulation! And, really, I broke every single Diaclone mold I had as a kid. I even managed to break PM Prime's trailer's leg!

I won't sit here and say one or two things weren't done better in the past. I like Henkei Prime a lot, for instance. The colors. The chrome and paint. But, despite all of that, Earthrise Prime is just the better toy. Even if Henkei does a few things better the whole package is better now.

And the same is true for all G1. G1 does a few things better. But the TFs of today are just better overall. I can't speak to G1 Shockwave or Skyfire, but that's two toys. Two toys not even designed by Takara! Starscream, on the other hand, is a mess of parts just begging to be lost.

G1 Prime, I can appreciate on an aesthetic level. But Earthrise creams him. Clear windows and a better overall paintjust just isn't enough.

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:42 pm

Gauntlet101010 wrote:G1 Prime, I can appreciate on an aesthetic level. But Earthrise creams him. Clear windows and a better overall paintjust just isn't enough.

Those two can't be compared as far as the cab go. Obviously, ER Optimus Prime is simply a mini MP that is solid and a marvel of engineering.

HOWEVAH, dat ER trailer is just a box not even worth a margarine countainer compared to the G1. Completely bare with barely an excuse of a repair drone, no roller, no nothing. I had to pay almost 200$ to make that trailer "complete" and to look good via the Centurion set, reprolabels, and Shapeway upgrades. ლ(ತ益ತლ)

In a way, both toys ballance each other out. ER win for the bot, G1 for the trailer. Too bad there's no way to fit the G1 trailer on the ER cab even with severe mods. The trailer would look ridiculously oversised. Oh well.

News Credits: 1 · by **Gauntlet101010** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:00 pm

Yeah, the G1 trailer is just flat-out better.

But that's just the trailer. The two don't balance out because the cab is far more important.

Earthrise with the same level of paint and QC as the original Classics era would be great.

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:16 pm

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Yeah, the G1 trailer is just flat-out better.

But that's just the trailer. The two don't balance out because the cab is far more important.
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True but still. Those barebone trailers are that do nothing are real cockteases. At least Leader SS DOTM Optimus did a lot and the whole thing was still leader priced. I can't help but feel cheated for the ER leader price.

News Credits: 1 · by **Gauntlet101010** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:31 pm

If we're shifting the talk to ER's trailer for a quick moment...

Yes, ER Prime's trailer leaves a lot to be desired. As does the fact that many accessories for ER Prime were part of a separate weapons pack. And a certain lack of paint apps which would have definitely been filled out in years prior. ER Prime is not a perfect toy. The ER line overall isn't perfect.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:51 pm

Oi ... thread is about Starscream, not Optimus Prime.

If you're going to compare G1 to modern then yeah, Earthrise, even Classics/Henkei Starscream is an improvement over the original because they look more like the animation model and don't require partsforming (not that moving the missiles and adding fists is really a lot of partsforming).

But people seem to forget that when it came to G1 figures, as kids, we had this thing where we didn't care, we just used our imagination and got by with what we had.

But movie Starscream is still an ugly pile of **** and I'd take Machine Wars Starscream over it any day of the week.

by **Rogue-Primal** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:05 am

Good list like always. I can agree that Earthrise Starscream does deserve the top spot since i own him. Only flaw are those millimeter gaps on top of his shoulders right next to head.
Such a ugly design decision.

Like TOO MUCH ENERGON! on Facebook · by **TOO MUCH ENERGON!** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:32 am

My partner got me Earthrise Starscream for my birthday a few days ago. I love it! Admittedly it’s only my third Starscream I’ve ever owned (the other two being G1 and Armada), but he’s my favourite thus far.

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:07 am

I'm still amazed that CLASSIC Starscream didn't made the list. It was THE seeker mold for over what... 15 years or so? Appart the oversized null-rays, that toy is pretty much perfect.

News Credits: 1 · by **Gauntlet101010** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:15 am

Burn wrote:But people seem to forget that when it came to G1 figures, as kids, we had this thing where we didn't care, we just used our imagination and got by with what we had.

I mean ... I cared. I'd have lost most of Starscream's parts within a month and then the toy would have been almost useless to me.

I also would have wanted a toy that matched the animation. It's something that bugged me about all the old toys of the day. I'd have been understanding that TFs didn't match the show if I got more, but if I had the option of getting ER SS there'd be no contest.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I'm still amazed that CLASSIC Starscream didn't made the list. It was THE seeker mold for over what... 15 years or so? Appart the oversized null-rays, that toy is pretty much perfect.

Yeah, but ER is that toy, but better in every way. You don't need to make a list with, essentially, two versions of the same mold.

News Credits: 18 · by **blackeyedprime** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:40 am

Burn wrote:Oi ... thread is about Starscream, not Optimus Prime.

Unless MP44 should have been included on the list

, which thinking about it he'd still rate higher as Starscream than the Bay design -but by that logic so would Tak legends octane with ghost starscream head.

by **M. Spector** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:54 am

What a neat list! Interestingly enough, I own most of these in one form or another! Galaxy Force ScreamyStar holds a nostalgic place in my heart, as a child received him in a two pack with Vector Prime for Christmas one year. It's a beautiful jet, so solid and rachet-y and I found you can angle the shoulder/wings down in vehicle mode to kinda smooth out the silhouette!
The Classics/Generations mold came my way in the form of Dirge at a convention a few years ago. Not a bad toy! The articulation is a little wonky and the hips be kinda loose but it's still good fun. Even if his face is just eternally staring downward in jet mode :lol:

The Studio Series Voyager turned into a surprise hit for me, never ever ever expected to like it as much as I did. The transformation is so fun and satisfying, everything unfolds and turns insideout to make the robot and it all holds together SOLIDLY!
And the Siege tetrajet mold. I have this one as Thundy and love it dearly. On the internet there seems to be some decisiveness about wether or not it's a good mold, or a shell former or not. In my humble opinion it is only the former. The tetrajet idea has always appealed to me and the way they boiled down the classic and iconic silhouette of the Seeker body type to the key essentials like the shoulder pylons, square fan chest, almost high heeled feet, angular back wings, etc and then got it to flip into a flying pyramid is just mythical. I'll sing its praises till the day I die. It poses, it converts smoothly, everything locks in solid when it does and in either mode. Plus there's every color and flavor you could want
Alright
I'm done HaHa