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Ha, the main page image had me going! You've got Generations Blitzwing in there, which I find to be a TERRIBLE toy. Floppy joints, doesn't hold together, awkward bot proportions, and unconvincing alt-modes... I see someone else put Cloud Starscream in their list, and he was a creative reworking, but I just think it's an awful toy...

frogbat wrote:Forgot bout doubledealer... awesome toy. Really loved his bot and launcher mode,the bird less so but wouldn’t mind a proper update, even perhaps one where they replaced the bird mode with a plane and not a repaint of a lousy figure]

There's a fan-made bird mode on the CHUG version, plus it wasn't a straight-up repaint, having a remolded head.

What, no honorary mentions?

frogbat wrote:Forgot bout doubledealer... awesome toy. Really loved his bot and launcher mode,the bird less so but wouldn’t mind a proper update, even perhaps one where they replaced the bird mode with a plane

Oh man, I have some great news for you...

and not a repaint of a lousy figure]

Oh wait, scratch that

ZeroGFrame wrote:Ha, the main page image had me going! You've got Generations Blitzwing in there, which I find to be a TERRIBLE toy. Floppy joints, doesn't hold together, awkward bot proportions, and unconvincing alt-modes... I see someone else put Cloud Starscream in their list, and he was a creative reworking, but I just think it's an awful toy...

Yeah, dont worry, I just wanted to have a picture of multiple triple changers in one image without revealing too much of the list. And I agree, its a terrible toy. I greatly dislike it, especially in plane mode with the middle section being so empty. It feels super cheap too with how thin some plastic parts feel. I will definitely concede that the choices on my list are not the obvious things people may be thinking but the more and more I see of the alternatives shared here in the comments, it seems no one can really agree on what the best triple changers are or even what to include in them. It would have been a tough list for anyone to write, but this discussion is fun

As for those who like Octone, thats cool, but man there might have been loads of hate (from myself included) if I would have included it, I was looking online and this is one of the most hated toys of the year.

Z3ROhour wrote:IMHO
you forgot something
TRANSMETALS

Haha, yeah, I know those. And I didnt forget them, I just really felt they were worst examples of triple changers than anthing else I could put. They really feel more like added on modes rather than something fully distinct (which is what their goal was anyway). It is cool that they have dedicated parts, but I feel really weird saying that a gorilla on a surfboard is a different alt mode than simply the gorilla.

blackeyedprime wrote:My two robots 1 alt tripple changer list would definitely feature these guys:

mp rodimus prime
ta shockwave

But both of those have two alt modes.

-Kanrabat- wrote:G1 Doubledealer is one of my favorite G1 Transformers ever. However, that bird mode is far from perfect with his huge ass.

See, I've heard people complain about this before, but to me it's just a very simplified representation of a tail. His "falcon" mode really looks more like a vulture which usually fly with narrow tails rather than the fanning tails a lot of birds have.



Maybe they should have put some feather patters on the bottom of the truck parts/back of the bot legs like some of the other bird parts?

Emerje

Emerje wrote:really looks more like a vulture which usually fly with narrow tails rather than the fanning tails a lot of birds have.

Thats a fun take on it. Along the same lines, what do you think the giant missile between his legs represents in the bird's anatomy?

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:really looks more like a vulture which usually fly with narrow tails rather than the fanning tails a lot of birds have.

Thats a fun take on it. Along the same lines, what do you think the giant missile between his legs represents in the bird's anatomy?

Not *that*, in case anyone's wondering: most birds don't have one.

And I think that's a minor goof on Hasbro's part, as the front of the missile doesn't fit exactly in the clasp. Instead, I have the missile as one piece on his back, like Doubleclouder.

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:really looks more like a vulture which usually fly with narrow tails rather than the fanning tails a lot of birds have.

Thats a fun take on it. Along the same lines, what do you think the giant missile between his legs represents in the bird's anatomy?

A missile like any other bird, what else?



Emerje

william-james88 wrote:

frogbat wrote:Forgot bout doubledealer... awesome toy. Really loved his bot and launcher mode,the bird less so but wouldn’t mind a proper update, even perhaps one where they replaced the bird mode with a plane

Oh man, I have some great news for you...

and not a repaint of a lousy figure]

Oh wait, scratch that

ZeroGFrame wrote:Ha, the main page image had me going! You've got Generations Blitzwing in there, which I find to be a TERRIBLE toy. Floppy joints, doesn't hold together, awkward bot proportions, and unconvincing alt-modes... I see someone else put Cloud Starscream in their list, and he was a creative reworking, but I just think it's an awful toy...

Yeah, dont worry, I just wanted to have a picture of multiple triple changers in one image without revealing too much of the list. And I agree, its a terrible toy. I greatly dislike it, especially in plane mode with the middle section being so empty. It feels super cheap too with how thin some plastic parts feel. I will definitely concede that the choices on my list are not the obvious things people may be thinking but the more and more I see of the alternatives shared here in the comments, it seems no one can really agree on what the best triple changers are or even what to include in them. It would have been a tough list for anyone to write, but this discussion is fun

As for those who like Octone, thats cool, but man there might have been loads of hate (from myself included) if I would have included it, I was looking online and this is one of the most hated toys of the year.

Z3ROhour wrote:IMHO
you forgot something
TRANSMETALS

Haha, yeah, I know those. And I didnt forget them, I just really felt they were worst examples of triple changers than anthing else I could put. They really feel more like added on modes rather than something fully distinct (which is what their goal was anyway). It is cool that they have dedicated parts, but I feel really weird saying that a gorilla on a surfboard is a different alt mode than simply the gorilla.

However, Transmetal Waspinator turned into a full jet mode. It's brilliant.

Good list! I completely agree with number one.

My one issue is I don't think G1 Scorponok should be included as I don't consider base modes as part of the definition of a triple changer. I agree with the comment that G1 Astrotrain and G1 Blitzwing should have each held their own spots on the list with G1 Scorponok excluded.

Looking forward to the next one.

you put scorpinok in the #3 spot but dont give Trypticon a notice for honerable mentions at the very least for both TR and G1 versions? no love here

Bradimus wrote:Good list! I completely agree with number one.

My one issue is I don't think G1 Scorponok should be included as I don't consider base modes as part of the definition of a triple changer. I agree with the comment that G1 Astrotrain and G1 Blitzwing should have each held their own spots on the list with G1 Scorponok excluded.

Looking forward to the next one.

The next one is gonna be fun and like nothing I have done before, I am looking forward to sharing it with you.

About G1 Astrotrain and Blitzwing, which do you feel is better and why?

Ultra Markus wrote:you put scorpinok in the #3 spot but dont give Trypticon a notice for honerable mentions at the very least for both TR and G1 versions? no love here

Yeah, I just dont really think Trypticon has 3 good and distinct modes (same with Fort Max). But hey if you enjoy all his modes, then thats awesome!

i gree with springer/sandstorm being number 1 there. it just looks the best triple changers hasbro ever made so far. reading the list here makes me wants to kick myself harder for not getting them when i got the chance.

however, i think TR octane still deserve to be on the list, replacing shockblast. maybe it is the case with mine not having any noticeable QC issue, but i enjoy him a lot. his robot mode looks really good, tanker mode looks quite spot on, and the jet mode is an improvement from laser optimus prime version, IMO.

also agreed that doubledealer should be on the list, but that is mostly due to my strange personal attraction to his overly-manly-bird mode.

Don't you mean Octane?

primalxconvoy wrote:Don't you mean Octane?

yes, octane. my bad, thanks. edited.

bacem wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:Don't you mean Octane?

yes, octane. my bad, thanks. edited.

That's Octone, kind sirs.

I have to respectfully disagree with this list.

Neither Astrotrain is great. The Titans Return is bland and disappointingly small.

As much as I love my G1 Scorponok, his base mode is terrible.

I would have added Titans Return to the list. He's great in every mode and you can put figures inside him.

G1 Metroplex, Snapdragon, Doubledealer and Springer are nice too. Though Snapdragon's dragon mode isn't perfect, it did scale nicely with G1 Grimlock giving the latter a suitable opponent.

william-james88 wrote:

Bradimus wrote:Good list! I completely agree with number one.

My one issue is I don't think G1 Scorponok should be included as I don't consider base modes as part of the definition of a triple changer. I agree with the comment that G1 Astrotrain and G1 Blitzwing should have each held their own spots on the list with G1 Scorponok excluded.

Looking forward to the next one.

The next one is gonna be fun and like nothing I have done before, I am looking forward to sharing it with you.

About G1 Astrotrain and Blitzwing, which do you feel is better and why?

Ultra Markus wrote:you put scorpinok in the #3 spot but dont give Trypticon a notice for honerable mentions at the very least for both TR and G1 versions? no love here

Yeah, I just dont really think Trypticon has 3 good and distinct modes (same with Fort Max). But hey if you enjoy all his modes, then thats awesome!

I don't get what you mean by 3 not good and distinct alt modes there's clearly a difference between the 3

Ultra Markus wrote:]I don't get what you mean by 3 not good and distinct alt modes there's clearly a difference between the 3

Fortmax's spaceship mode is basically just him lying face-down.

As for Tripticon, his spaceship mode is the base mode with the "arms" tucked in. Tiny winny wings don't hide that fact.

What make a "true" AND good triple changer is when all modes are completely different from one another.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:]I don't get what you mean by 3 not good and distinct alt modes there's clearly a difference between the 3

Fortmax's spaceship mode is basically just him lying face-down.

As for Tripticon, his spaceship mode is the base mode with the "arms" tucked in. Tiny winny wings don't hide that fact.

What make a "true" AND good triple changer is when all modes are completely different from one another.

Basically, compare G1 springer to Generations Springer. G1 Springer has two alt modes, but to get to one from the other one you flip the tires around and add/remove the rotor and you're done. They look very similar, just like Trypticon's base mode and spaceship/battlestation mode. G1 blitzwing and astrotrain have similarly simple changes, but they drastically change the profile.

Windsweeper wrote:I would have added Titans Return to the list.

The whole line?

-Kanrabat- wrote:

bacem wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:Don't you mean Octane?

yes, octane. my bad, thanks. edited.

That's Octone, kind sirs.

Not if you live in Japan. The box states "Octane" in English, and "Oktone" in Japanese.

Windsweeper wrote:Neither Astrotrain is great. The Titans Return is bland and disappointingly small.

Do you mean small as in you'd rather he was Leader class or small as a figure because he's one of the biggest Voyagers in the line?

Emerje

-Kanrabat- wrote:Fortmax's spaceship mode is basically just him lying face-down.

Yet it's still a better triple changer than every toy on willy's list, except maybe Generations Sandstorm/Springer.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Fortmax's spaceship mode is basically just him lying face-down.

Yet it's still a better triple changer than every toy on willy's list, except maybe Generations Sandstorm/Springer.

G1 Fortmax's city mode: YES!
The Spaceship mode? No. Just no.

Might as well call all TR Leaders "triple changers".