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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:18 am

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I would push RiD Scourge to the top slot, and toss one of the other slots for a tie between these two:
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Seriously Will, why didn't these get even a mention?

Nucleon Quest Super Convoy might displace another of those listed in my book. He would at least get an honorable mention.
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys

Postby ausbot » Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:40 am

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All I want is a g1 nemesis prime from the original optimus prime, yes I know there is a ko but I don't collect ko's
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:09 am

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Why are people mentioning Nucleon Quest Super Convoy? He may have the deco, but he's not a Nemesis Prime.
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys

Postby megatronus » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:25 am

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I would push RiD Scourge to the top slot, and toss one of the other slots for a tie between these two:
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Seriously Will, why didn't these get even a mention?

Nucleon Quest Super Convoy might displace another of those listed in my book. He would at least get an honorable mention.

None of these are Nemesis Primes.
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys

Postby Nathaniel Prime » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:00 am

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Great list as always, Will! I like the choices made for each spot, and pretty much every choice is there for me. My list is slightly different, however.

5) POTP Nemesis Prime
4) Legends EX Black Convoy
3) Masterpiece MP10-B
2) Universe Nemesis Mammoth
1) RID Scourge
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys

Postby TulioDude » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:34 am

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Nice list!

Ihe Power of the Primes toy has the best look in vehicle mode,since there is the robot parts in the trailer blend in more than normal.

Shout-out to Armada for giving us the Nemesis Prime name. ;)^

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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:04 am

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TulioDude wrote:Shout-out to Armada for giving us the Nemesis Prime name. ;)^
A shout-out to all of those who pioneered the Nemesis Prime concept. :D

Beast Wars Onyx Primal: The first evil back Optimus doppelganger

Beast Wars II Copy Convoy: The first one to appear in animation

Car Robots Black Convoy: The first one to give us the Japanese name "Black Convoy" and the first (and only) one to have a major role in animation

Armada Nemesis Prime: The first one to give us the English name "Nemesis Prime" and the first to be Unicronian in origin

Alternators Nemesis Prime/Binaltech Black Convoy: The first one to mesh the English "Nemesis Prime" and Japanese "Black Convoy" names together into referring to the same concept, which has mostly become the standard to this day
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys

Postby carytheone » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:05 am

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1. PotP NemmyP - It's just such a fun mold/toy with some amazing head sculpts and cool accessories (especially Giza).

2. Siege Nemesis Prime
3. Legends Black Convoy

4. T30 Nemesis Prime "a pocket full of evil"

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I've always dug this mold and it's IDW stylings.

5. TF Prime Arms Micron Nemesis Prime

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I know this Nemesis was just a human controlled robot, but he was a formidable opponent and I feel that still fits the bill. It's a mold that doesn't get a lot of love, but I still feel that it's great.
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:35 am

Mammoth nemesis Prime, the Japanese Black Convoy, and Funpub's version will always be my favorites. Maybe one day I'll want a newer, eviller looking one, but that ay hasn't come yet.

I actually took apart the Japanese G2 Black Convoy and put laser rod Prime's electronics in there to recreate the effect. He was actually remolded to make this stupidly difficult.
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:14 pm

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I have a shocking confession to make... I have no Nemesis Primes... Though I'm looking at Scourge to be my first
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:49 pm

Motto: "Why is asking for a no-disassembly clay impression of a head seemingly such an extreme request?"
Weapon: Galaxial Rocket Launcher
megatronus wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I would push RiD Scourge to the top slot, and toss one of the other slots for a tie between these two:
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Seriously Will, why didn't these get even a mention?

Nucleon Quest Super Convoy might displace another of those listed in my book. He would at least get an honorable mention.

None of these are Nemesis Primes.
Fair point.. I got confused by the thread title, because Will didn't start a new thread even though a Nemesis Prime-specific list isn't a straight update of the list that started this thread.
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys

Postby RacerCheetor » Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:58 pm

It's great that a Beast Wars mold is the first. 8-)

I would have exchanged positions 5 and 2, the LG-EX is an excellent remastered mold of Scourge.
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Optimus Prime Transformers Toys

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:07 pm

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RacerCheetor wrote:It's great that a Beast Wars mold is the first. 8-)

I would have exchanged positions 5 and 2, the LG-EX is an excellent remastered mold of Scourge.
Eh. It's cool and all, but it's still an undersize imitation that's missing features.
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Nemesis Prime Transformers Toys

Postby adamage1 » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:13 pm

Siege Nemesis Prime and MP-10B both surpass anything on this list, and it’s not even close. It’s preposterous neither of them were included.
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Nemesis Prime Transformers Toys

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:57 pm

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Ha ha ha no. SIEGE isn't even a contender with some of the others out there (ESPECIALLY the likes of RiD Scourge). The only figure SIEGE Nemmy would rank at all higher than is United Black Convoy.
MP-10B is alright, but he's just "MP-10 in the color scheme" so LGEX Black Convoy edges ahead of him.
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Armada Optimus front left trailer strut, cheekguards
ROTF Jetfire right "JTFR" Panel
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Nemesis Prime Transformers Toys

Postby william-james88 » Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:21 pm

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:MP-10B is alright, but he's just "MP-10 in the color scheme" so LGEX Black Convoy edges ahead of him.


Yeah, that's what I felt. It's also what I feel about the movie molds you presented earlier. The movie toy I was contemplating though was this one since while it happens to be the best version (deco wise) of a good mold, it's also a representation of an actual movie verse Nemesis Prime.

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But yeah not a fan of simple redecos of G1 Primes being given a Nemesis/Scourge paint job since Nemesis/Scourge never was G1 prime in black and teal until it became the defacto lazy redeco. And you can tell it doesn't work since without extra parts like tall shoulders or the like, you have less areas to give teal highlights.

By comparison, we can look at the examples I used like the one from Universe or Transformers Go where the designers had fun seeing how they could use that teal and make the colour scheme more unique rather than just a black Prime.
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Nemesis Prime Transformers Toys

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:45 pm

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Weapon: Galaxial Rocket Launcher
Well, I brought up those two Primes more thinking of the thread title rather than the Nemesis Prime focus of your list anyway.
I felt they were at least deserving of a mention because ROTF Black Optimus eschews the typical black-with-teal-accents colors, and the DotM one is more traditional but IMO wears the teal particularly well because it's used for the flames plus he has the Jetwing parts for extra flare.
But they aren't Nemesis Primes anyway, so never mind.
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Armada Optimus front left trailer strut, cheekguards
ROTF Jetfire right "JTFR" Panel
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Nemesis Prime Transformers Toys

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:45 pm

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william-james88 wrote:But yeah not a fan of simple redecos of G1 Primes being given a Nemesis/Scourge paint job since Nemesis/Scourge never was G1 prime in black and teal until it became the defacto lazy redeco.
Yeah, and fictional-speaking (for Japanese fiction, specifically), the first Nemesis Prime/Black Convoy to appear in G1 fiction was the Binaltech version, who had that toy's pickup truck body before Optimus got one of his own in his colors.
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Nemesis Prime Transformers Toys

Postby william-james88 » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:02 pm

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william-james88 wrote:But yeah not a fan of simple redecos of G1 Primes being given a Nemesis/Scourge paint job since Nemesis/Scourge never was G1 prime in black and teal until it became the defacto lazy redeco.
Yeah, and fictional-speaking (for Japanese fiction, specifically), the first Nemesis Prime/Black Convoy to appear in G1 fiction was the Binaltech version, who had that toy's pickup truck body before Optimus got one of his own in his colors.


Yeah I knew of that, hence why I mentioned the shoulders. It's kind of fun how, be it coincidence or not, shoulder kibble with teal highlights is a prominant feature of the character's initial toys and fictional appearances.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Well, I brought up those two Primes more thinking of the thread title rather than the Nemesis Prime focus of your list anyway.
I felt they were at least deserving of a mention because ROTF Black Optimus eschews the typical black-with-teal-accents colors, and the DotM one is more traditional but IMO wears the teal particularly well because it's used for the flames plus he has the Jetwing parts for extra flare.
But they aren't Nemesis Primes anyway, so never mind.


No worries. And yeah, I agree on both counts, hence why I am glad the DotM version is highlighted in Megatronus' original article.
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Nemesis Prime Transformers Toys

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:16 pm

Motto: "It's not done right if it's not done well."
Weapon: Saber Blade
MP-10B also had an ostensibly JG1 bio, but nothing's ever been done with him yet. Perhaps MP-49 will have a more extended bio set in JG1 with more story content, but time will tell.
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Nemesis Prime Transformers Toys

Postby adamage1 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:24 pm

william-james88 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:MP-10B is alright, but he's just "MP-10 in the color scheme" so LGEX Black Convoy edges ahead of him.


But yeah not a fan of simple redecos of G1 Primes being given a Nemesis/Scourge paint job since Nemesis/Scourge never was G1 prime in black and teal until it became the defacto lazy redeco.


Nemesis Prime is literally a clone of Optimus (it even says so in the bio: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Nemesis_Prime_(G1)), so of course it makes sense for him to be color palette-swapped.
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Nemesis Prime Transformers Toys

Postby Tuned Agent » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:24 pm

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I'm glad to see Universe Nemesis at #1, I think he's a serious contender for the most awesome deco in the history of Transformers.

carytheone wrote:5. TF Prime Arms Micron Nemesis Prime

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I know this Nemesis was just a human controlled robot, but he was a formidable opponent and I feel that still fits the bill. It's a mold that doesn't get a lot of love, but I still feel that it's great.

While this deco wouldn't make the list for me, it's nice to see that mold get a shoutout. Awesome figure.
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Nemesis Prime Transformers Toys

Postby YRQRM0 » Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:44 am

Armada Nemesis should have made it, specifically the Takara version.
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Nemesis Prime Transformers Toys

Postby william-james88 » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:02 pm

adamage1 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:MP-10B is alright, but he's just "MP-10 in the color scheme" so LGEX Black Convoy edges ahead of him.


But yeah not a fan of simple redecos of G1 Primes being given a Nemesis/Scourge paint job since Nemesis/Scourge never was G1 prime in black and teal until it became the defacto lazy redeco.


Nemesis Prime is literally a clone of Optimus (it even says so in the bio: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Nemesis_Prime_(G1)), so of course it makes sense for him to be color palette-swapped.


But not of the G1 Optimus Prime body from the sunbow cartoons, at least not initially, that's the whole point.
Here is the pic the TF wiki uses for Nemesis:

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As you'll see, that ain't G1 sunbow prime in black colours.
So toys like MP 10 B are just a straight Optimus redeco homaging a Scourge colour scheme and nothing more. Sometimes it works but often times it's boring AF bringing nothing interesting to the table.
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Re: Top 5 Black Convoy / Nemesis Prime Transformers Toys

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:09 pm

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Given the recent trend of MP bios being written with the JG1 universe in mind, one could say that MP-10B's profile was set in the JG1 universe, but so far no story has done anything with him. We'll have to wait and see if MP-49 gets any kind of extensive profile that tells of his story in the JG1 universe.

And which would not contradict or interfere with the Binaltech version's story since Binaltech splintered off from JG1 into its own separate timeline from that of the main JG1 one.
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