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At least it was on the sight I read it on. I think it may have been a starwars fan sight but Im not sure. (I hope this thread isnt to long or absolutely ridiculous to anyone.) I was reading a thread titled who would win in a fight between galvatron and darth vader? I thought it was funny at first. I mean I would think galvatron would destroy any jedi and couldnt believe anyone would think othetrwise.
Then I began to read on and to my suprise there ane alot of starwars fans saying that not only would galvatron loose, He would be obliterated. Saying things like Vader would just boomerang his light saber at galvatron and it would slice and dice until he was so much debris. That vader would simply force crush him. That galvatron wouldnt get in a shot because the jedi would sense it coming a mile away and avoid it.
When someone countered with thw fact that galvatron could simply sit in the planets orbit and destroy it with a single shot the sw fans replied that vader could sense it comming and act accordingly.
Also my favorate "The power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the force" Which is a statement made by vader in the movie. I cannot believe how far these guys took this whole "the force is the end all be all strength in the universe" thing. SW fans over rate the force.
If the power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the force then why dosent vader or sidious wake up one day and with the blast of a fart destroy everyone every planet every thing not loyal to the empire? Why invest so much time, effort money, rescources into building and rebuilding death stars over and over again? Why expand their military? If jedi could sense things comming to the extent sw fans say then why were they almost eradicated by regular storm troopers? ( I know some sith were involved in the genocide of jedi but the vast majority of enemies responsible for the jedis genocide were regular troopers bounty hunters and robots.) How do they get caught by soldiers? why do they get limbs cut off? If jedi are so strong why did even yoda have to use all his concentration to keep a pillar from falling on obi wan and anikin? etc.
It is my belief that that whole power to destroy a planet being nill compared to the force statement is being taken out of context. I always thought that he ment The power to destroy a planet is nill compared to the power of the force in that He had ammased an army, built a fleet, taken over planets etc and that he owed it all to the force and not that blowing up a planet is nothing because he could blow up twenty with a stray thought while taking a crap reading the latest issue of jedi tail and completing a reubix cube all at once.
Never has a jedi done anything impressive enough to justify that statment if taken the way most sw fans say it was ment to be taken. Dont get me wrong. Jedi are strong and I respect their abilities and everything but sw fans grossly overestimate their abilities. Galvatron would neutralize a jedi or two no problem. Comic galvatron is just sickly powerfull.
They even said that any jedi would wipe the floor with he man! friggin HEMAN!!! He man is down right amazing! He displays demi god like strength regularly and in some ocasions displays herald like abilities. He man vs a jedi is no contest. He man wins this in literaly a fraction of a second.
The jedi has no agility advantage. He man performs agility feats like jumping into orbit to catch an eternian moon and hurl it back into space, twirling his sword fast enough to start a tornado, spining in place fast enough to start a tornado, out running a meteor, running around the planet fast enough to stop it orbital spin and send it spining the oposite direction, throwing multiple punches with blunding speed and dodging multiple, multiple laser blasts all at once.
He man has the jedi in durability as well. He has had mountain ranges fall on him, has been at ground zero of a magicaly powered blast that destroys snake mountain and miles of area surounding it and walks out without so much as a scratch. He can stay oxygen deprived for long ammounts of time. (sorry no force choking would work as if it had the power to crush hemans muscles in his throat anyway. It takes a bit to knock out a regular joe he man would shrug a force choke off)
He mans sword would not be cut in half by a light saber either. Were talking about the magical sword of greyskull here. He has fought many an energy weapon, deflected many an energy beam etc. No damage to his sword.
Also she ra fought hawk who weilded the ultimate lazer sword and her sword fared fine. Seeing as how her sword is just the same as hemans Its safe to say his would be alright as well.
He man is also intelligent. He has overcame/resisted many attempts at mind control before so jedis mind control would be no threat. (if jabba can laugh off jedi mind control then Im guessing he man can as well)
As far as strength goes, heman fought pre crisis superman to pretty much a stand still. Also if you read his conversation with zodak youll see that heman is holding back as not to hurt superman. He would later find out that he didnt have to but that isnt the point.
He as I said before cought a moon hurtling twards eternia and threw it back into orbit, he is the most powerfull man in the universe, he can blow breath so fast it causes a huge wind pretty much like superman and he can even call on extra power from greyskull if needed. He can generate a force shield with his power vest. I am sure Ive lift out a few of his feats but my point has been made strongly enough to leave it at this.
What I ask you can a jedi hope to acomplish vs heman? What can a jedi hope to do against galvatron? Other than die fast that is. So, yeah...Any thoughts?...

Sorry, but I gotta.

Midnight_Fox wrote:Sorry, but I gotta.

Hahaha. That's great!!

Donkey Kong wins.

Whatever you have to say, Donkey Kong wins.

Unless Armada Megatron shows up. If that happens, then the trinity of Donkey Kong, Alternity Backstop, and Armada Megatron create heaven on Earth.

There was so much text there that I'm not even going to try and bother with it.

The answer is simple though. 42.

Counterpunch wrote:Donkey Kong wins.

Whatever you have to say, Donkey Kong wins.

Unless Armada Megatron shows up. If that happens, then the trinity of Donkey Kong, Alternity Backstop, and Armada Megatron create heaven on Earth.

I now have an insane urge to paint a Beast Wars Optimus Primal Brown and give him a neck tie.

Someone wanna summarise that for me? All I saw was a bunch of text without paragraphs and my inner Grammar Nazi had a heart attack.

Burn wrote:Someone wanna summarise that for me? All I saw was a bunch of text without paragraphs and my inner Grammar Nazi had a heart attack.

What I got from it all:

-Star Wars characters and the force is overrated.
-He-Man is way better.

I made it as far as "Galvatron vs. Darth vader" and I stopped reading.

I win.

Snip snip, Grammar Nazi mode Off

decepta-scott wrote:At least it was on the sight I read it on. I think it may have been a starwars fan sight but Im not sure. (I hope this thread isnt to long or absolutely ridiculous to anyone.)

I was reading a thread titled who would win in a fight between galvatron and darth vader? I thought it was funny at first. I mean I would think galvatron would destroy any jedi and couldnt believe anyone would think othetrwise. Then I began to read on and to my suprise there anr alot of starwars fans saying that not only would galvatron loose, He would be obliterated. Saying things like Vader would just boomerang his light saber at galvatron and it would slice and dice until he was so much debris. That vader would simply force crush him. That galvatron wouldnt get in a shot because the jedi would sense it coming a mile away and avoid it. When someone countered with thw fact that galvatron could simply sit in the planets orbit and destroy it with a single shot the sw fans replied that vader could sense it comming and act accordingly. Also my favorate "The power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the force" Which is a statement made by vader in the movie.
I cannot believe how far these guys took this whole "the force is the end all be all strength in the universe" thing. SW fans over rate the force. If the power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the force then why dosent vader or sidious wake up one day and with the blast of a fart destroy everyone every planet every thing not loyal to the empire? Why invest so much time, effort money, rescources into building and rebuilding death stars over and over again? Why expand their military? If jedi could sense things comming to the extent sw fans say then why were they almost eradicated by regular storm troopers? ( I know some sith were involved in the genocide of jedi but the vast majority of enemies responsible for the jedis genocide were regular troopers bounty hunters and robots.) How do they get caught by soldiers? why do they get limbs cut off? If jedi are so strong why did even yoda have to use all his concentration to keep a pillar from falling on obi wan and anikin? etc.

It is my belief that that whole power to destroy a planet being nill compared to the force statement is being taken out of context. I always thought that he ment The power to destroy a planet is nill compared to the power of the force in that He had ammased an army, built a fleet, taken over planets etc and that he owed it all to the force and not that blowing up a planet is nothing because he could blow up twenty with a stray thought while taking a crap reaing the latest issue of jedi tail and completing a reubix cube all at once. Never has a jedi done anything impressive enough to justify that statment if taken the way most sw fans say it was ment to be taken. Dont get me wrong. Jedi are strong and I respect their abilities and everything but sw fans grossly overestimate their abilities.Galvatron would neutralize a jedi or two no problem. Comic galvatron is just sickly powerfull.

They even said that any jedi would wipe the floor with he man! friggin HEMAN!!! He man is out right amazing. He displays demi god like strength regularly and in some ocasions displays herald like abilities. He man vs a jedi is no contest. He man wins this in literaly a fraction of a second. The jedi has no agility advantage. He man performs agility feats like jumping into orbit to catch an eternian moon and hurl it back into space, twirling his sword fast enough to start a tornado, spining in place fast enough to start a tornado, out running a meteor, running around the planet fast enough to stop it orbital spin and send it spining the oposite direction, throwing multiple punches with blunding speed and dodging multiple, multiple laser blasts all at once. He man has the jedi in durability as well. He has had mountain ranges fall on him, has been at ground zero of a magicaly powered blast that destroys snake mountain and miles of area surounding it and walks out without so much as a scratch. He can stay oxygen deprived for long ammounts of time. (sorry no force choking would work as if it had the power to crush hemans muscles in his throat anyway. it takes a bit to knock out a regular joe he man would shrug a force choke off) He mans sword would not be cut in half by a light saber either. Were talking about the magical sword of greyskull here. He has fought many an energy weapon, deflected many an energy beam etc. No damage to his sword. Also she ra fought hawk who weilded the ultimate lazer sword and her sword fared fine. Seeing as how her sword is just the same as hemans Its safe to say his would be alright as well. He man is also intelligent. He has overcame/resisted many attempts at mind control before so jedis mind control would be no threat. (if jabba can laugh off jedi mind control then Im guessing he man can as well) As far as strength goes, heman fought pre crisis superman to pretty much a stand still. Also if you read his conversation with zodak youll see that heman is holding back as not to hurt superman. He as I said before cought a moon hurtling twards eternia and threw it back into orbit, he is the most powerfull man in the universe, e can blow breath so fast it causes a huge wind pretty much like superman and he can even call on extra power from greyskull if needed. He can even generate a force shield with his power vest. What I ask you can a jedi hope to acomplish vs heman?

So, yeah...Any thoughts?...

A bit more legible now, thought I didn't dare finish correcting the mistakes. Put short, the OP saw a thread on a Star Wars forum, pitting Galvatron against Darth Vader. Surprise, surprise, the fans say Vader would win, thinking up the silliest of reasons. Then he gave his less silly reasons for Galvatron to win.
Then all of a sudden the train goes on a different track altogether, since the SW fans had the bigotry to say any Jedi can wipe the floor with He-Man. Same story, only with He-Man replacing Galvatron.

Conclusion of the OP: Star Wars fans are arrogant, and the Force is overrated.

Still TL, DWR.

i hate to break it to you guys, but the mos eisley cantina band owns all!

Some things to keep in mind.

Yoda himself said the Dark Side of the Force IS NOT stronger than the Light Side. The strength of the Sith, or Dark Side is in emotion particularly anger, rage. The Jedi maintain strength in emotional neutrality, a clear mind. Where the Sith just rampage and blow stuff up wantonly, the Jedi use precision to keep collateral damage down, the loss of innocent life. The Jedi can dish out the same amount of punishment but choose not to because of the sanctity of life.

The siginificance of blowing up a planet compared to the power of the Force has yet to be proven. Remember, the Dark Side of the Force deals in deception- consider how the Emperor fooled everyone in the first 3 episodes. The only way the Empire even blew up a planet is because of the Death Star- a Sith technology.

The Jedi were not extinguished by Storm Troopers. They were taken by surprise by the Clone Troopers. Only Yoda and Obi-Wan were discerning enough to sense the betrayal and react in time. The others, if you remember correctly were in the midst of fighting where they were sensing all the emotions involved in fighting. There was a huge difference in genetic chromosomes and military training between the Clones and Storm Troopers. The Clones were obviously superior to the Storm Troopers.

Galvatron is recorded to have destroyed two planets- Char and Torqulon, with the aid of his arm cannon. If Galvatron can do that, his firepower is way to strong for a Sith or Jedi to deflect whether they can sense it or not. About the strongest laser blast I've ever seen a Force-user deflect is that of an Imperial Walker (no, I never plaid the Force Unleashed games).

Heman is pretty cool, but he doesn't have the powers of a Cybertronian or that of a Force-user. He would get his larynx crushed by a Sith or force pushed into a wall and knocked unconscious. You overestimate Heman against a Force-user. And I seriously doubt the sword can stand up to a lightsaber that can cut through anything regardless of it's magical powers.

Transformers, or synonymously Cybertronians, are considered the most powerful race of beings in the universe (consult the opening sequence of Marvel's Transformers #1). This universe is considered to be all fantasy/fiction universes imagined if they were all to be merged into one. Sorry, not even Babylon 5 can stand up to Cybertronian technology and they'be got some ships that can blow Star Wars out of...er, well space.

robofreak wrote:I now have an insane urge to paint a Beast Wars Optimus Primal Brown and give him a neck tie.

I'm surprised no one has already.

Fun fact: Gary Chalk voiced Donkey Kong in the Captain N series.

Heman? Herman? Munster? "Lilly!" The original Homer Simpson? That's right. Soundwave is the vampire uncle and Grimlock is Lurch.

my head hurts...

craggy wrote:Heman? Herman? Munster? "Lilly!" The original Homer Simpson? That's right. Soundwave is the vampire uncle and Grimlock is Lurch.

Hal7300 wrote:my head hurts...

After that comment mine would too.

robofreak wrote:There was so much text there that I'm not even going to try and bother with it.

The answer is simple though. 42.

Counterpunch wrote:Donkey Kong wins.

Whatever you have to say, Donkey Kong wins.

Unless Armada Megatron shows up. If that happens, then the trinity of Donkey Kong, Alternity Backstop, and Armada Megatron create heaven on Earth.

I now have an insane urge to paint a Beast Wars Optimus Primal Brown and give him a neck tie.

Don't forget some sort of barrel. Maybe from Animated Oil Slick?

Blackstreak wrote:Heman is pretty cool, but he doesn't have the powers of a Cybertronian or that of a Force-user. He would get his larynx crushed by a Sith or force pushed into a wall and knocked unconscious. You overestimate Heman against a Force-user. And I seriously doubt the sword can stand up to a lightsaber that can cut through anything regardless of it's magical powers.

First off I guess I apologize for not taking the time to err properly type my thread. I didnt realize you cybertronians lurking around the general discussion page took your punctuation and paragraphs so seriously.
Anyhoo Black streak I completely dissagree with the above statement. Name one time a jedi has faced a magical oponent that is on the calibur of heman? I admit I am a fan of motu and am therefore probably bias weather I mean to be or not but I am also a fan of sw and jedi.
As an equal fan of both I cannot see the logic in believing that heman would succumb to a force choke or push. Also, the sword of power is indestructable as is skeletors havoc staff. In my inital post I made a sound arguement as to why hemans sword would not be cut in two by a light saber. He has fought against "the most powerfull energy sword" before and it did not cut his sword in two. qui gon jin and obi wan took a verry long time to cut through a simple blast door with their sabers. I dont see why you think the sword of greyskull would be cut in half by one.
Look at skeletors powers. Mind control, telekinnetic abilities, the ability to expell large amounts of power from his hands, astral projection, the ability to go back and forth in time, the ability to create portals out of thin air, the list goes on and on. Add to this the speed, super strength and his ability to procure obscure magical artifacts from around the universe and you have one bad dude.
Skeletor is basically darth sidious on roids!! He man more or less hands him his ass on a regular. How I ask you is a jedi going to force crush heman if skeletor with him vast magical abilities cannot? I have debunked most of your statements in my above post. That is to say I have given (imo) sufficient reasons why a force choke/push and all the other basic abilities inherient to a jedi would not work on heman so I will not retype them. I will say that the notion that heman could be defeated by a jedis most basic tricks Is silly. I am well aware that we are debating the outcome of a fight between two fictional childrens toon characters and that some may think that that in itsself is silly, but if we cannot discuss it on a transformers sight where we going to discuss it at?
I would wager that you arent a verry big fan of motu if at all. You have not educated yourself on the powers of heman if you believe a jedi could defeat him in any way. At least we agree that jedi are no match for galvatron.

They did not mean to offend about the paragraph issue, it is just hard to read a big mass of words and after looking at it too long your eyes start to go crossed.

Absolutely! My apology was sincere but I had to add a touch of comedy. Hope noone thought I was bieng an a$$.

decepta-scott wrote:Absolutely! My apology was sincere but I had to add a touch of comedy. Hope noone thought I was bieng an a$$.

I didn't think so.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go make Donkey Kong awesome by giving him the Beast Wars treatment.

Almost finished reading it, but I had to stop with a little over 10 lines left. I think Galvatron vs. Vader is a tough call. On the one hand, Galvatron is a Transformer. He has super lasers and is fast, not to mention he beat the tar out of Ultra Magnus in the UK comics. However, Vader's force can be used to pick Galvatron up and toss him around. Vader's force may even have the power to tear Galvatron apart. The question is, can Vader use his force before Galvatron's laser hits him?

I doubt it.

This is what I got outta this.

Galvatorn vs. Darth Vader. Star Wars nuts think Vader will win.

Bull $#!^.

Most people will side with whatever they're a bigger fan of.
The best way to figure it, is look into the fiction of both, and see if they've fought anything similar.
I dont really galvatron fighting anything like a little super powered cyborg with a weapon that can cut through anything.
I also dont recall darth vader fighting a giant robot with a weapon more powerful than anything in star wars, except the death star.
Really, I think a better thing to debate, rather than who would win, is why would they fight?

Light sabers are over rated. The official word is that they can cut thoough ALMOST anything. That leaves plenty of things that they cannot cut through. Hell look at the phantom menace. It took that saber a loooong time ti melt through a simple blast door. Galvatron would be much more dense having been created from a being that has survibed the big bang. galvatron in under ten secs imo.