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Toy Concept Sketch of Masterpiece Rodimus Prime

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Re: Toy Concept Sketch of Masterpiece Rodimus Prime

Postby DTR69 » Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:33 am

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DTR69 wrote: Then there is also the issue, of where would all the robot parts go. If Bumblebee was a carbon copy of a real car, then his engine and lugage compartment would not be able to hide all the parts needed for a robot mode. How identical can you get before a robot mode not possible. I think it would be much more sendible for all the cars to have blacked out windows, and that the car doors not be able to open for pasengers as the whole inside was dedicated for robot mechanics. Even if transformers were real, I think that they would only be able to disguise there selves to an extent, they would not be able to be functioning cars in the sense humans could rive them. And I would expect to see some slits and grooves where panels would split apart. To transform into a car then have a displayable engine and a whole interiorfor humans to sit, just doesn't seem like there would be much lerft for robot workings.


Some of the Alternators did a damn good job of hiding robot bits, actually. 8)


If you read my rant, I was refering to the idea if Transformers were actualy real, as in real life. And I don't accept it's alien technology anythings possible, as there are many aspects about transformers where everyday limits are valid. Of course there technology is more advanced, but there is no way an Alternator could actualy be a fully working transformer, it would just be a shell, with no inner workings. Alternators are great designs, and do a great job of showing a detailed alt mode and a highly detailed and poseable robot. But if transformers were real, they would have a lot of workings not just to be a robot, but to actualy get from one form to another.
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Re: Toy Concept Sketch of Masterpiece Rodimus Prime

Postby Kibble » Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:51 am

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DTR69 wrote:If you read my rant, I was refering to the idea if Transformers were actualy real, as in real life. And I don't accept it's alien technology anythings possible, as there are many aspects about transformers where everyday limits are valid. Of course there technology is more advanced, but there is no way an Alternator could actualy be a fully working transformer, it would just be a shell, with no inner workings. Alternators are great designs, and do a great job of showing a detailed alt mode and a highly detailed and poseable robot. But if transformers were real, they would have a lot of workings not just to be a robot, but to actualy get from one form to another.

Well, this is really a pretty pointless debate, but I thought the Alternators response was a quite reasonable one actually. If you don't accept that the technology would be far more advanced and wouldn't require the same parts and inner workings that make "our" cars work, well, there's half the reason there are no "real" transformers now...and not really much left to ponder then. If the car, more or less, requires our technology to function, then what technology has an advanced, independently operating, fully functional robot working?
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Re: Toy Concept Sketch of Masterpiece Rodimus Prime

Postby Stormrider » Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:20 am

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Sigh...I am already bored with the idea of MP Rodimus. I love the MP figures and I am sure that this figure will have interesting gimmicks. Let's get it over with and move onto some more interesting figures.
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Re: Toy Concept Sketch of Masterpiece Rodimus Prime

Postby DTR69 » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:18 am

Kibble wrote:
DTR69 wrote:If you read my rant, I was refering to the idea if Transformers were actualy real, as in real life. And I don't accept it's alien technology anythings possible, as there are many aspects about transformers where everyday limits are valid. Of course there technology is more advanced, but there is no way an Alternator could actualy be a fully working transformer, it would just be a shell, with no inner workings. Alternators are great designs, and do a great job of showing a detailed alt mode and a highly detailed and poseable robot. But if transformers were real, they would have a lot of workings not just to be a robot, but to actualy get from one form to another.

Well, this is really a pretty pointless debate, but I thought the Alternators response was a quite reasonable one actually. If you don't accept that the technology would be far more advanced and wouldn't require the same parts and inner workings that make "our" cars work, well, there's half the reason there are no "real" transformers now...and not really much left to ponder then. If the car, more or less, requires our technology to function, then what technology has an advanced, independently operating, fully functional robot working?


ALternators help proove my point too, becuase if you look through the back window of the Subaru, you can see the legs, and if the inside is identical to a real car, does that mean wheeljack walks about on foam and springs. And how deep does this realism go, if a mechanic opened the hood and worked on the engine, which is there guns, will there be engine or gun parts inside.
This maybe taking the fun out, but I see it in a different light. I like things to be as plausiable as possible. I also think that working out the possabilities helps towards the design and look of a transformer. Transformers robot modes are a result of compramise becuase of there alt modes. Working out plausiable answers to unanswered questions, just as how Michael Bays designers came up with there answers to how a real life TF would look and why, all goes towards the final design. Form follows Function. And it often leads to design querks that would never have been thought of unles there was a reason behind it.
Thats what I love about Transformers, there are design features that are there as a result of the transformation. Thats why gundam, is so samey samey, a transformers way have wings or a grill for a stomach, all these are becuase of form followinf function.
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Re: Toy Concept Sketch of Masterpiece Rodimus Prime

Postby Counterpunch » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:14 am

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If Bay's bots are designed SO well, then explain why a race of creatures with a pre-disposition to war and an apparent emphasis on melee combat (they go hand-to-hand a LOT in the films...) would allow so much of their mechanized body portions to be exposed?

If all those inner workings are meant to exist as part of their transformation, even one non-life threatening strike to a portion of their body would completely inhibit transformation.

Discarding the shield of suspension of disbelief allows the sword of truthiness to cut both ways.
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Re: Toy Concept Sketch of Masterpiece Rodimus Prime

Postby El Duque » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:20 am

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Stormrider wrote:Sigh...I am already bored with the idea of MP Rodimus. I love the MP figures and I am sure that this figure will have interesting gimmicks. Let's get it over with and move onto some more interesting figures.


This. I-)
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Re: Toy Concept Sketch of Masterpiece Rodimus Prime

Postby Counterpunch » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:55 am

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Stormrider wrote:Sigh...I am already bored with the idea of MP Rodimus. I love the MP figures and I am sure that this figure will have interesting gimmicks. Let's get it over with and move onto some more interesting figures.


This. I-)


Dollars to doughnuts, I bet you this is one of if not the most impressive MP figure yet.
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Re: Toy Concept Sketch of Masterpiece Rodimus Prime

Postby El Duque » Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:00 am

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Counterpunch wrote:
El Duque wrote:
Stormrider wrote:Sigh...I am already bored with the idea of MP Rodimus. I love the MP figures and I am sure that this figure will have interesting gimmicks. Let's get it over with and move onto some more interesting figures.


This. I-)


Dollars to doughnuts, I bet you this is one of if not the most impressive MP figure yet.


Hope you're right. I'm sure a lot of my lack of interest comes from my boredom with Rodimus in general.
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Re: Toy Concept Sketch of Masterpiece Rodimus Prime

Postby kirbenvost » Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:03 am

Heh, 'sword of truthiness'.
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Re: Toy Concept Sketch of Masterpiece Rodimus Prime

Postby Dead Metal » Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:39 am

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kirbenvost wrote:Heh, 'sword of truthiness'.

it makes you angry. ;)
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Re: Toy Concept Sketch of Masterpiece Rodimus Prime

Postby DTR69 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:12 am

Counterpunch wrote:If Bay's bots are designed SO well, then explain why a race of creatures with a pre-disposition to war and an apparent emphasis on melee combat (they go hand-to-hand a LOT in the films...) would allow so much of their mechanized body portions to be exposed?

If all those inner workings are meant to exist as part of their transformation, even one non-life threatening strike to a portion of their body would completely inhibit transformation.

Discarding the shield of suspension of disbelief allows the sword of truthiness to cut both ways.


I don't think Bay's transformers are well designed. I totaly agree with you, there. My argument has always been that Bay Formers, are not armored enough. People, say G1 is blocky, but thats armour. All I'm saying is Bays designers came up with a solution, it may be right it may be wrong, but as a result of there solution, a design has been dictated by it. So what ever the solution is, the final outcome will have it embeded in it.

Where was you when I was arguing how Bay formers are more unrealistic than a G1 design. Bays transformers technicaly don't transform, and with so many intracate parts, all of them exposed, a stone could cause havoc during transformation, let alone a slight dent.
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