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Editor wrote:As I do not see that Samson has responded, those look like TRU prices, in CND Dollars.
Prices between our TRU and Walmarts fluctuate, but currently CW limbs are 2 bucks cheaper at TRU.
And sorry if I've missed it, but two major cost issues that effect us above the connected 48, are a) costs for shipping to remote chain stores are spread out to all to cover, and I doubt you would find too many shipments to "remote" locations in the 48 are anywhere close to the costs to some Canadian cities that sit further from the main centres where the distribution points are. And b) the one I think gets overlooked by many, of the numbers of total units produced for any given area, where there are changes in packaging, inserts, and other add-ons seen or not seen in other areas.
This affects Canadians because as we all know our packaging and add-ins are usually different, and that needs to get paid for somewhere, but if we expand it to the bigger picture.....
I've seen a lot of posts stating the costs for the Japanese market against the US market, and they don't touch on a major fact that while the Japanese market is mainly targeting collectors (IMO) while Hasbro is still producing for kids first in most cases. Even with Japanese releases getting to the secondary english market, the odds are for many the numbers being produced are smaller (let alone the number if small run special editions done over there) than the "hasbro" units being produced for multiple countries/markets.
This one bugs me when not looked at, because if something from Takara is only produced to say 25,000 units, while the Hasbro release is 100,000 units, then it goes without saying that the Takara one will cost more to produce due to the smaller print run. It's a fact of manufacturing. (and yes, my day job deals with stuff like this so i'm not just talking out my ass) to figure that something that comes out of the same moulds but in different colors and/or paint apps should cost the same without looking at the production numbers and per unit production costs is shortsighted.
Well that's just my 2 cents. (currently worth approximately $0.0164 US, 1.97 yen, 1 pence sterling, or 0.01 euro. )
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:fenrir72 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Any other factors besides oil prices that could dictate prices? We all know the regular raw material, R&D, human labor and whatnot, what about the ones that determine the prices overseas? Aside from transport of course.
Local (depending on the country) taxation policies. Some countries labels toys as "luxuries" so their eager beaver taxman just can't wait to lay their grubby slimy hands on such.
You mentioning taxes made me realise I totally forgot about VAT (Value Added Tax), how they're applied and especially when. Prepare to be amazed:
US: after purchase, rate depends on city or county
EU: included in price shown (what you see is what you pay), rates depend on country. The Netherlands have two rates: 6% for food, and a whopping 21% (!) for luxury goods since 2012.
UK: Anybody know?
Japan: Ditto
prjkt wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:fenrir72 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Any other factors besides oil prices that could dictate prices? We all know the regular raw material, R&D, human labor and whatnot, what about the ones that determine the prices overseas? Aside from transport of course.
Local (depending on the country) taxation policies. Some countries labels toys as "luxuries" so their eager beaver taxman just can't wait to lay their grubby slimy hands on such.
You mentioning taxes made me realise I totally forgot about VAT (Value Added Tax), how they're applied and especially when. Prepare to be amazed:
US: after purchase, rate depends on city or county
EU: included in price shown (what you see is what you pay), rates depend on country. The Netherlands have two rates: 6% for food, and a whopping 21% (!) for luxury goods since 2012.
UK: Anybody know?
Japan: Ditto
I think UK is included, not sure, but AU and NZ is GST inclusive, Aus rate is %10, not sure what it is in NZ (apparently slightly higher from what I vaguely remember)
william-james88 wrote: We do pay more in taxes though since our Tax Rate is 15% and not included in the prices listed above.
Editor wrote:william-james88 wrote: We do pay more in taxes though since our Tax Rate is 15% and not included in the prices listed above.
Tax rate changes by Province my friend. BC pays 13%, heck Alberta pays 5%.
Editor wrote:Opps I put 13% for BC that should be 12%.
Quebec and Nova Scotia appear to be the highest at 15%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_Canada
Samsonator wrote:Editor wrote:Opps I put 13% for BC that should be 12%.
Quebec and Nova Scotia appear to be the highest at 15%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_Canada
I thought we were still at 12.5, guess it shows how much attention I've paid in the last while... I remember when BC's was 14.5... I like to call those the dark times.
MemphisR56 wrote:British VAT rate is 20%. That might actually play into how ridiculous the British prices I mentioned when you convert them into dollars at the current exchange rate, but a meagre 5%-7.5% certainly does not explain them, I mean would the american guys in this thread pay these prices?:
Cybv. Legion: £6.99 > $10.76
Cybv. Commndr: £9.99 > $15.37
Legends: £9.99 > $15.37
Deluxe: £15.99 > $24.60
Voyager: £22.99 > $35.38
Leader: £49.99 > $76.92
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:MemphisR56 wrote:British VAT rate is 20%. That might actually play into how ridiculous the British prices I mentioned when you convert them into dollars at the current exchange rate, but a meagre 5%-7.5% certainly does not explain them, I mean would the american guys in this thread pay these prices?:
Cybv. Legion: £6.99 > $10.76
Cybv. Commndr: £9.99 > $15.37
Legends: £9.99 > $15.37
Deluxe: £15.99 > $24.60
Voyager: £22.99 > $35.38
Leader: £49.99 > $76.92
I know we Europeans are crazy enough to, although we hardly have a choice in the matter. Our VAT rates are just nuts, adding 1/5th of the base price! Any EU countries that have VAT rates significantly lower than 20%?![]()
Local market play, production costs, logistics... they factor into pricing one way or another. There is one more factor that I'd like to add into the discussion: the store chains themselves. How would they influence the price of a product? Bargaining? Buying in bulk? Special agreements? I guess a better question would be: how do competing chains get to play with the prices?
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:To be fair, Rated X did have a point in some online stores price gouging when it comes to TakaraTomy products, depending. We discussed transport and shipping costs being factored into the price, but what about storage?
What I mean is, brick-and-mortar stores have warehouses in the local area for easy access no matter the location. But what about online-only stores? Where are their warehouses located? It goes without saying that the Japanese ones have theirs in Japan, but the international/US-targeting ones like BBTS, TFSource, and Robotkingdom.com, where are theirs?
In short, would we be footing the bill for storage and whatnot if the warehouses were to be located in, I don't know, China?
-Kanrabat- wrote:No need to start a new thread to vent off my frustration. So, I'll do it here.
GODDAMIT YOU DUMB ONLINE STORES, KEEP YOUR INVENTORY IN CHECK AND STOP GIVING ME FALSE HOPES!
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First, Yahobby make me buy a G1 Black Megatron they don't have in stock. At least, they didnt waste any time to refund me.
Next, I want a Alternity BLACK Megatron for a relatively reasonable price.
Buy it from Play-Asia. Pay.
"Herp-a-derp, we don't have it in stock, duuuuurrrrrrhhhhhh".
Refund me 24hrs later.
Ebay Member Toyspark. Buy two from him because a friend want it too.
"Herp-a-derp we only have the blue one, duuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrhhhhhhh."
Still waiting to get refunded.
And now, back to Yahobby again, to buy their last Alternity Black Megatron. Do they REALLY have it in stock? We'll see.
Dzjeezah fokking Ka-raïst, online stores, get your shayt together!
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