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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

Postby Rated X » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:53 am

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Given the look of TF4 Optimus, I'm not too hopeful on a sweet-looking Grimlock. Though with expectations as low as mine, I look forward to being pleasantly surprised. ;)



Remember this is Michael Bay were talking about. With that being said, expect cars that turn into dinosaurs with no robot modes.

On Orion, despite the ugly Bay inspired IDW chest, some of you guys pictures are making the figure look pretty damn good. But after seeing counterpunch's photo I'm convinced it's MP Scale which I'm not into. If your really into that "Prime must be huge" look which was cartoon accurate in SOME of the G1 cartoon, then it works for classics. But I always preferred the scenes where most of the Autobots were up to Primes chest level, not his groin.
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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

Postby megatronus » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:08 am

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Rated X wrote:But after seeing counterpunch's photo I'm convinced it's MP Scale which I'm not into.

Given that MP Grimlock is over a head taller than this Orion, and that MP-10 is a head taller than Grimlock, I don't see where you're getting this MP scale business.
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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

Postby Shadowstream » Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:12 pm

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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

Postby Rated X » Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:31 pm

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Rated X wrote:But after seeing counterpunch's photo I'm convinced it's MP Scale which I'm not into.

Given that MP Grimlock is over a head taller than this Orion, and that MP-10 is a head taller than Grimlock, I don't see where you're getting this MP scale business.



Well if you start looking at the current downsized MP issues (Sideswipe, Prowl) along with unofficial MP issues (Quakewave, Hexatron) this height seems to be the standard in MP height for figures regardless of how short/tall they were portrayed in the cartoon. Give or take an inch, it's still more of a doll sized figure (1960's GI Joes) rather than a voyager scale which used to be the standard for faction leader figures in the classics line. (not counting Ultra and Leader class because they are oversized on purpose with kids in mind) Like I said before, it could be used as classics if you like your Primes to be really big. But for me it's just to big. You said it yourself, Orion's a head shorter than MP Grimlock (hence the G1 cartoon) But then again some people say MP Grimlock is too small to be true MP scale in relation to the G1 cartoon. I do have MP Grimlock but keep him in dino mode because the robot mode is way out of scale with classics. Bottom line Henkei Prime is a tad too short and Orion is a tad too tall. A height somewhere in between would be perfect classics scale.

And when it comes to MP scale what are we really going by anyways ? For Autobots, it used to be the alt mode in real life car standards. Now it seems to have switched over to robot height from the G1 cartoon. Hasbro cant make up their minds, so 3rd parties trying to make MP scale figures don't have an official scale to go off of (Ironhide,Huffer,Jetfire)
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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

Postby megatronus » Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:09 pm

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Rated X wrote:Well if you start looking at the current downsized MP issues (Sideswipe, Prowl) along with unofficial MP issues (Quakewave, Hexatron) this height seems to be the standard in MP height for figures regardless of how short/tall they were portrayed in the cartoon. Give or take an inch, it's still more of a doll sized figure (1960's GI Joes) rather than a voyager scale which used to be the standard for faction leader figures in the classics line. (not counting Ultra and Leader class because they are oversized on purpose with kids in mind) Like I said before, it could be used as classics if you like your Primes to be really big. But for me it's just to big. You said it yourself, Orion's a head shorter than MP Grimlock (hence the G1 cartoon) But then again some people say MP Grimlock is too small to be true MP scale in relation to the G1 cartoon. I do have MP Grimlock but keep him in dino mode because the robot mode is way out of scale with classics. Bottom line Henkei Prime is a tad too short and Orion is a tad too tall. A height somewhere in between would be perfect classics scale.

And when it comes to MP scale what are we really going by anyways ? For Autobots, it used to be the alt mode in real life car standards. Now it seems to have switched over to robot height from the G1 cartoon. Hasbro cant make up their minds, so 3rd parties trying to make MP scale figures don't have an official scale to go off of (Ironhide,Huffer,Jetfire)

As per usual, I respectfully disagree.

The literature (i.e. Seibertron.com forum debates) has been fairly clear on MP scale (IMHO), which is itself complicated, but not made incomprehensible, by the fact that we are dealing with Transformers here:

TIMELINE: MP scale was wildly inconsistent before MP-10, but has been standardized based on MP-10's size. This is backwards inclusive of MP-09 when in Rodimus Prime 'bot & vehicle modes.
AUTOBOTS: cars from MP-10 forward are scaled to be a compromise between robot height accuracy and vehicular scale accuracy. Though not 100% perfect, this is widely perceived to be an optimal compromise.
DECEPTICONS: due to being of all shapes and sizes in vehicle mode, the goal with MP Decepticons is to portray robot scale accuracy, as seen with Seekers, Soundwave, and his minions.

This is why I can respond saying that Sideswipe & Prowl are not downsized - they're just about where they should be (at most, a half an inch or so short in robot mode according to cartoon height).

This is also why I can say that though 3rd Party Quakewave, Huffer, Ironhide/Ratchet, & Jetfire are all effectively MP scale (with Jetfire following the Decepticon parameters due to his jet alt mode), Hexatron is not MP scale. He clearly does not meet the criteria outlined above, and is too short in robot mode for MP scale.

This brings us back to TW's IDW Optimus - he's in decent scale with MP Grimlock for the very reason that Grimlock fits into the period before MP scale was standardized. That should not be a reflection of current MP scale, or of MP scale in general.

Rated X wrote:Bottom line Henkei Prime is a tad too short and Orion is a tad too tall. A height somewhere in between would be perfect classics scale.

I 100% agree with your bottom line - I just disagree on how you arrived at it. ;)
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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

Postby daimchoc » Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:38 pm

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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

Postby Banjo-Tron » Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:21 pm

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So now we know the 'what' just the 'why' remains...
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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

Postby Dead Metal » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:09 pm

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So now we know the 'what' just the 'why' remains...

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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

Postby Counterpunch » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:36 pm

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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

Postby Genocide G2.0 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:51 pm

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Rated X wrote:But after seeing counterpunch's photo I'm convinced it's MP Scale which I'm not into.

Given that MP Grimlock is over a head taller than this Orion, and that MP-10 is a head taller than Grimlock, I don't see where you're getting this MP scale business.


He's not MP, City Commander is only slightly taller than Orion ;)

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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

Postby Rated X » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:39 pm

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Does Orion's truck mode fit inside X-Forgoven God Ginrai ?
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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

Postby Counterpunch » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:54 pm

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Rated X wrote:Does Orion's truck mode fit inside X-Forgoven God Ginrai ?


Yes but I heard that there is no way to attach the head.
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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

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Rated X wrote:Does Orion's truck mode fit inside X-Forgoven God Ginrai ?


Yes but I heard that there is no way to attach the head.


It doesn't look very good anyway.
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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

Postby Rated X » Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:21 pm

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Rated X wrote:Does Orion's truck mode fit inside X-Forgoven God Ginrai ?


Yes but I heard that there is no way to attach the head.


It doesn't look very good anyway.
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Well there goes my idea ! It does look horrible. Ive been wanting to buy the Trailerforce for a while. Im trying to force myself to like Orion just so I can use Henkei Prime with the Trailerforce. But that huge size is making it real hard to swallow. He really makes deluxes look like mini-bots.
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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

Postby Counterpunch » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:00 pm

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Rated X wrote:Does Orion's truck mode fit inside X-Forgoven God Ginrai ?


Yes but I heard that there is no way to attach the head.


It doesn't look very good anyway.
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To be fair, Trailerforce looks like crap no matter what is in it. >:oP
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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

Postby xyl360 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:42 pm

Rated X wrote:
Doctor McGrath wrote:
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Rated X wrote:Does Orion's truck mode fit inside X-Forgoven God Ginrai ?


Yes but I heard that there is no way to attach the head.


It doesn't look very good anyway.
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Well there goes my idea ! It does look horrible. Ive been wanting to buy the Trailerforce for a while. Im trying to force myself to like Orion just so I can use Henkei Prime with the Trailerforce. But that huge size is making it real hard to swallow. He really makes deluxes look like mini-bots.

Hehe, just do what I did: buy yourself 5 or 6 Henkei Primes so that you've always got spares when the next <insert Prime version homage> upgrade set comes out ;).
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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

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See this one pic? This single image right here sold me. Debate over. >:oP

Oh, I agree. That split chest makes Prime look like he is continuously dying. >:oP

Or is that not what you meant? ;) If the chest had been the solid split window of G1, my opinion may be entirely different. Because it's such a glaring part of both the bot and truck mode, I cannot get past it, no matter how awesome the rest of the figure is.

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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

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Re: Toyworld TW-02 Orion (IDW Optimus Prime)

Postby megatronus » Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:45 am

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His profile in reviews and pictures is looking much slimmer than how he was initially portrayed.

The more I see, the more I like, but there are enough small things (and budgetary restrictions) to keep me from purchasing. This on top of the fact that I'm not a huge fan of ToyWorld stuff. I understand that their quality has improved since Hegemon, but for now I remain in the "pass" camp.
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