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Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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Re: The Director of Transformers ROTB says his Biggest Goal is to make you Care about the Robots

Postby -Kanrabat- » Fri May 12, 2023 4:17 am

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william-james88 wrote:No, he's saying the main human characters are black and latino, unlike before when they were always white. He's a black guy and says that the human characters look like him more than ever.


Holy shiiiiiiiit.
That director is not even aware of his own disgusting racism and narcissism. #-o
Seriously, he straight up admit that he doesn't see white characters as human. That's pretty fukked-up.

Anyone who can't relate to a main character just because of their race or gender is seriously bigoted. If one wants to see "themselves" as the main character in a story, then they should just play a video game that allows you to create your own Character.

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Re: The Director of Transformers ROTB says his Biggest Goal is to make you Care about the Robots

Postby Brokebot » Fri May 12, 2023 5:29 am

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Yes, I definitely want people to connect with the humans, too, because they now look like us more than ever in this film.


The **** is that supposed to mean? Dumbass.


Look like "us" rather than "them." Pretty damn racist statement had it come out of the mouth of a white dude, but stunning and brave from a POC. I guess everyone who shares the same skin color look the same to this guy? If you can't relate to a character unless he or she is your doppelganger, then that's your problem, not anyone else's. I don't recall anyone that looked anything like me in any of the Bayverse mess except maybe that fatass throwaway Hound, but since I'm not green, I guess I should be totally triggered.

Someone needs to tell this knucklehead to stop talking into microphones.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Hydrargyrus » Fri May 12, 2023 6:56 am

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What in the world? Man’s just tryna say that it’s easier to relate to a character that looks like you, because race/ethnicity tends to run a little more than skin-deep. That shouldn’t be controversial.
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New Rise of the Beasts TV Spot Shows Scourge against Optimus Prime and Cheetor Transforming

Postby william-james88 » Fri May 12, 2023 8:37 am

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Marketing for the Transformers Rise of the Beasts movie is ramping up with just a month to go before its release. While we got a lot of content for the maximals in their beast modes, and the autobots, we didn't see much of the terrorcons or the maximals in robot mode. Well, this new TV Spot rectifies that by starting with a shot of Scourge transforming while he rams into Optimus Prime. We then get a shot of Rhinox in bot mode charging with Cheetor transforming in the foreground.

There's bot a lot of excitement and doubt when it comes to this film. The excitement comes from the simple fact that this films appears to have the robots be the main characters in their movie for once, with only a couple of humans tagging along. At the same time, doubt comes from June being a stacked month for movie releases. Rise of the Beasts is being released right between The Little Mermaid's release week-end and the week-end that has both The Flash and Elemental, all family films. We'll see which of these films gets the bigger impact.

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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Hydrargyrus wrote:What in the world? Man’s just tryna say that it’s easier to relate to a character that looks like you, because race/ethnicity tends to run a little more than skin-deep. That shouldn’t be controversial.


THAT is the main problem. If you can only relate to a character that "look like you", you have a serious problem.

I've seem movies since ever.

I was Ripley fighting Aliens.
I was Axel Foley solving crimes in Miami.
I was Rambo, mowing down enemies.
I was a German Shepherd trying to find his way home.
I was a freaking TOASTER having a trippy journey.

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby TOO MUCH ENERGON! » Fri May 12, 2023 9:22 am

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Frankly, I think this film is going to flop. I'm stoked for it myself, but no one I've talked to IRL even knows this movie exists. The thing has been barely marketed even though it was announced like two years ago. Hell, we got that first "teaser" back in December and then nothing until, what, like a few weeks ago until we finally got a "full" trailer? Furthermore, these trailers tells us absolutely nothing about the Maximals. Why are there suddenly animal Transformers? Chances are if you're under 30, you'll have no clue about what Beast Wars is and who these characters are. I used to work with a lot of teenagers who were self-professed big fans of Transformers, and none of them had any idea what Beast Wars was, and thought the idea was stupid when I explained it to them. There's also the notion that G1 fans (most of whom don't like these movies, anyway) are aging out of being regular theatre moviegoers, so I have to wonder who this film is even for. Hopefully kids will see this and immediately become fans of Ronnie Primal and Cheetor, but who knows?
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Brokebot » Fri May 12, 2023 9:40 am

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TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:G1 fans (most of whom don't like these movies, anyway) are aging out of being regular theatre moviegoers . . .


We're not ageing out. We just aren't impressed by CGI explosion porn and shallow, ham-fisted identity politics, which is what this is shaping up to be.

We grew up watching movies that redefined genres. Star Wars. Raiders of the Lost Ark. Alien. John Carpenter's The Thing. The Terminator. Not the Disney-fied stripmined versions or "reimagined for modern audiences" nonsense they're trying to sell us now. We're not too old to go to the theater for a good movie. We're smart enough to spot a shit-show when we see it and not waste our money on it. Nursing homes are expensive. >:oP
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri May 12, 2023 9:49 am

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TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:G1 fans (most of whom don't like these movies, anyway) are aging out of being regular theatre moviegoers . . .


We're not ageing out. We just aren't impressed by CGI explosion porn and shallow, ham-fisted identity politics, which is what this is shaping up to be.
Just like the Bay movies. ;)
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby TOO MUCH ENERGON! » Fri May 12, 2023 9:56 am

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TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:G1 fans (most of whom don't like these movies, anyway) are aging out of being regular theatre moviegoers . . .


We're not ageing out. We just aren't impressed by CGI explosion porn and shallow, ham-fisted identity politics, which is what this is shaping up to be.

We grew up watching movies that redefined genres. Star Wars. Raiders of the Lost Ark. Alien. John Carpenter's The Thing. The Terminator. Not the Disney-fied stripmined versions or "reimagined for modern audiences" nonsense they're trying to sell us now. We're not too old to go to the theater for a good movie. We're smart enough to spot a shit-show when we see it and not waste our money on it. Nursing homes are expensive. >:oP


You can take that stance if you like, but statistically people DO age-out of the movie theatre experience by and large. How many movies does you grandmother and great-grandmother go to see per year? Way less than when she was 20. I love all those movies you mentioned (I'm pushing 40 myself), and completely agree with you about being unimpressed by CGI spectacle. One of my favourite moviegoing experiences of the past several years was walking into a movie theatre in the middle of the day and watching The Peanut Butter Falcon.

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Brokebot » Fri May 12, 2023 10:11 am

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I never said it was, so stop trying to paint me as a racist. But when the skin color, gender identity, or sexual orientation of the cast is more important than the quality of the story, your movie will fail and deservedly so.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Representation in media is not a bad thing. White people are not the only race on earth. Get used to it.


I never said it was, so stop trying to paint me as a racist. But when the skin color, gender identity, or sexual orientation of the cast is more important than the quality of the story, your movie will fail and deservedly so.


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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri May 12, 2023 10:20 am

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TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Representation in media is not a bad thing. White people are not the only race on earth. Get used to it.


I never said it was, so stop trying to paint me as a racist. But when the skin color, gender identity, or sexual orientation of the cast is more important than the quality of the story, your movie will fail and deservedly so.
I don't recall the director saying it's "more" important than all else. Just that it's one aspect of the movie that's important to him.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri May 12, 2023 10:45 am

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Brokebot wrote:
TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Representation in media is not a bad thing. White people are not the only race on earth. Get used to it.


I never said it was, so stop trying to paint me as a racist. But when the skin color, gender identity, or sexual orientation of the cast is more important than the quality of the story, your movie will fail and deservedly so.
I don't recall the director saying it's "more" important than all else. Just that it's one aspect of the movie that's important to him.
Go back to page 1 and read about his first interview. He literally stated that this movie was "made for black and brown people." I called it out back then, and of course was labeled a racist by a couple narrow minded idiots here.

Regardless, that's not even a problem for me, there were non-whites in all the other movies and it wasn't a problem. My problem is that yet again the Transformers story gets short-changed.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Fri May 12, 2023 11:32 am

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Holy frikkin Christ.

I am done with the lot of you. No wonder we don't have much good conversation on here, when this is where we keep coming back to.

I will make this simple: any additional "race" posts that are not DIRECTLY related to a NEW ARTICLE that is focus on this topic will be deleted and the user warned.

And for 3 of you, you are on the cusp of being banned thanks to warning counts and borderline trolling posts.

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby DeathReviews » Fri May 12, 2023 12:12 pm

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TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Representation in media is not a bad thing. White people are not the only race on earth. Get used to it.


I never said it was, so stop trying to paint me as a racist. But when the skin color, gender identity, or sexual orientation of the cast is more important than the quality of the story, your movie will fail and deservedly so.


Amen. :BOWDOWN:


And people should be allowed to discuss it. If a hollywood studio makes a diversity obsessed cringe-fest and calls it a movie (or a TV show), people should be free to call it out for what it is. Deciding that you don't like certain truths doesn't make them UN-true, nor unnoticed by the population. Forcing silence isn't creating 'unity', it's applying control - and wandering dangerously close to "peace through tyranny" (to loop it back to Tranformers-talk).

That said? The movie will probably make lots of money - after all, you never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator...
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Brokebot » Fri May 12, 2023 12:51 pm

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DeathReviews wrote:That said? The movie will probably make lots of money - after all, you never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator...


It'll make money, but will it make enough to get into the black. This has a $200 million production budget. Add to that marketing, distribution, and the theater's cut, they'll have to clear $500 million or more to get out of the red.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Fri May 12, 2023 1:48 pm

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DeathReviews wrote:That said? The movie will probably make lots of money - after all, you never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator...


It'll make money, but will it make enough to get into the black. This has a $200 million production budget. Add to that marketing, distribution, and the theater's cut, they'll have to clear $500 million or more to get out of the red.


Yeah, it needs at least $500 M, but the good news is that it doesn't need much more than that either. Unlike the other big films, like Indy, Little Mermaid, Elemental and even Spider-verse, the film is very merchandise/licensing heavy. So any marketing push will contribute to sale of all things Transformers, not just the movie. I think we saw from past stats that Hasbro doubles in revenu from toy sales during movie years. If the film can prosper as a paid commercial for more consumer products, then that can be enough to justify making more of them.

The Flash movie is in the same boat as that where it's also very licensing and merchandise heavy.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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DeathReviews wrote:That said? The movie will probably make lots of money - after all, you never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator...


It'll make money, but will it make enough to get into the black. This has a $200 million production budget. Add to that marketing, distribution, and the theater's cut, they'll have to clear $500 million or more to get out of the red.


Yeah, it needs at least $500 M, but the good news is that it doesn't need much more than that either. Unlike the other big films, like Indy, Little Mermaid, Elemental and even Spider-verse, the film is very merchandise/licensing heavy. So any marketing push will contribute to sale of all things Transformers, not just the movie. I think we saw from past stats that Hasbro doubles in revenu from toy sales during movie years. If the film can prosper as a paid commercial for more consumer products, then that can be enough to justify making more of them.

The Flash movie is in the same boat as that where it's also very licensing and merchandise heavy.


Even the worst movies like AoE and TLK broke records.

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Fri May 12, 2023 2:19 pm

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I'm also thinking it will have a rough weekend given it comes out at the same time as the Flash and Spiderverse. That is going to be a very busy movie weekend
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Brokebot » Fri May 12, 2023 2:31 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Even the worst movies like AoE and TLK broke records.

So for a Transformers movie to fail, it should be done on purpose.


TLK was such a turd burger that it's been blamed for affecting Bumblebee, which only cleared $468M against a budget of $130M.

I'm thinking that the Beasties will have a good opening weekend, then will have a second week nosedive. Hasbro may profit from it, but the movie itself will be a box office failure or barely profit. :michaelbay:
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri May 12, 2023 4:28 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Oh yeah, I remember that TLK did "fail" thus the Bee Movie "reboot".
Isn't it amazing that it's considered a failure because it didn't break a billion dollars during its theatrical run? Did DoTM and AoE (the 2 billionaires) spoil Hasbro's accountants that much?

Also, I don't have the link but I just read that Mark Wahlberg asked for and got a $40 million salary for TLK after AoE made that billion.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Fri May 12, 2023 5:26 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Oh yeah, I remember that TLK did "fail" thus the Bee Movie "reboot".
Isn't it amazing that it's considered a failure because it didn't break a billion dollars during its theatrical run? Did DoTM and AoE (the 2 billionaires) spoil Hasbro's accountants that much?

Also, I don't have the link but I just read that Mark Wahlberg asked for and got a $40 million salary for TLK after AoE made that billion.


TLK is considered a failure because it lost money, only TF movie to do so.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri May 12, 2023 5:53 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Oh yeah, I remember that TLK did "fail" thus the Bee Movie "reboot".
Isn't it amazing that it's considered a failure because it didn't break a billion dollars during its theatrical run? Did DoTM and AoE (the 2 billionaires) spoil Hasbro's accountants that much?

Also, I don't have the link but I just read that Mark Wahlberg asked for and got a $40 million salary for TLK after AoE made that billion.


TLK is considered a failure because it lost money, only TF movie to do so.
Seriously? Didn't it make close to a billion? The production costs couldn't be that high.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Brokebot » Fri May 12, 2023 6:13 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Oh yeah, I remember that TLK did "fail" thus the Bee Movie "reboot".
Isn't it amazing that it's considered a failure because it didn't break a billion dollars during its theatrical run? Did DoTM and AoE (the 2 billionaires) spoil Hasbro's accountants that much?

Also, I don't have the link but I just read that Mark Wahlberg asked for and got a $40 million salary for TLK after AoE made that billion.


TLK is considered a failure because it lost money, only TF movie to do so.
Seriously? Didn't it make close to a billion? The production costs couldn't be that high.


$605 million against a budget of $260 million. The Chinese market lost interest after AoE.
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