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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Betenoire » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:07 pm

Deadput wrote:Although that depends if Mirage is still Dino or not which would also presume this isn't part of a reboot anyways


At some point during these -prequel/reboot/TF continuity hasn't mattered ever anyway, so whatever they are going to be called- they are going to have to have everyone but Bumblebee go back to space. So maybe a line that Mirage is returning to his home planet at the end of the film? :P
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby cruizerdave » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:18 pm

Well, at least they are consistent with just assigning names to characters at random.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby cruizerdave » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:21 pm

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:I'm incredibly confused over how to feel about this. I'm excited because Bumblebee was good but I have a sense of dread that it's going to go back to how the bayformers style of movies and hearing classic character names attached to completely different alt-modes is adding to the bad feels.

Quoted for truth.
Bumblebee was a nice, simple little movie.
Now I'm afraid we're headed back to the "throw everything on the screen all at once" style of film making.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:27 pm

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Betenoire wrote:
Deadput wrote:Although that depends if Mirage is still Dino or not which would also presume this isn't part of a reboot anyways


At some point during these -prequel/reboot/TF continuity hasn't mattered ever anyway, so whatever they are going to be called- they are going to have to have everyone but Bumblebee go back to space. So maybe a line that Mirage is returning to his home planet at the end of the film? :P

Yeah continuity is dubious in these films but that's not really the point.

Regardless I mean, let's say Dino from DOTM and Mirage in ROTB are the same guy, DOTM never explains where the guy even comes from since he's just with the Autobots at the start of the film same with Que and Brains (However for the Wreckers it's explained in film that they came to Earth with the ROTF crew which probably means they were kept off the field the whole time)

So with that logic Mirage/Dino wouldn't even have to leave the planet at all since only the 2007 crew (Optimus, Jazz, Ratchet, Ironhide) and the ROTF crew (Sideswipe, Jolt, Arcee, Skids, Mudflap, and according to DOTM the Wreckers) are ever shown/mentioned to arrive on Earth at a certain point.

Although by this logic it means that Optimus and Arcee would have to leave Earth at some point, although in Arcee's case maybe she stayed on Earth as well since the Xantium crew were not mentioned by name outside of the Wreckers specifically and "second wave of Autobots".
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:34 pm

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cruizerdave wrote:Well, at least they are consistent with just assigning names to characters at random.

A franchise tradition that's happened since Beast Wars and even before that with the toylines.

Going with Mirage specifically:

This is Mirage (Ok he's actually relatively similar to G1 Mirage) Image

This is also Mirage, they are a Minicon

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This is also Mirage, he's a Decepticon boat
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It's just a name, I don't see why Transformers names can only be limited to one version of a character.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:14 pm

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cruizerdave wrote:Now I'm afraid we're headed back to the "throw everything on the screen all at once" style of film making.


I am sure with 5 factions battling it out, it will be a concise simple movie :lol:

Deadput wrote:Although by this logic it means that Optimus and Arcee would have to leave Earth at some point, although in Arcee's case maybe she stayed on Earth as well since the Xantium crew were not mentioned by name outside of the Wreckers specifically and "second wave of Autobots".


This was all explained away already by the producer of these actual films where someone asked him the question about how Optimus could be on earth in Bumblebee and then back again in the 2007 movie.

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... oot/42709/

And I really don't get any talk of continuity. Most TF fans have been criticizing the Bay films for being garbage and having terrible continuity. So now to say that things don't add up to Bay's previous films or trying to find links implies that there is a continuity there and that is giving Bay waaaay too much credit. It was always nonsense and they are continuing this trend with Transformers 7. The Bayverse is not dead, Bayverse Bee is still around with his Bayverse head and Bayverse voice and camaro alt mode. But Bumblebee was good and this film being part of the Bayverse has nothing to do with how good or bad this film might be. Just not sure about how it won't be a giant clusterf*ck.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:37 pm

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I mean...this is coming from Lorenzo

A guy who is known to lie from time to time about the details around the films or just talks like he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Funny enough he's the only one who is saying it's a full on prequel, the director of the film itself is more so saying that the film is it's own thing. (But that was more so about standing on it's own as a film rather then continuity)
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:44 pm

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Deadput wrote:I mean...this is coming from Lorenzo

A guy who is known to lie from time to time about the details around the films or just talks like he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Funny enough he's the only one who is saying it's a full on prequel, the director of the film itself is more so saying that the film is it's own thing. (But that was more so about standing on it's own as a film rather then continuity)


I am just reporting the news. If paramount drops the numbering and says that they are starting a completely new film series unrelated to Bayverse than I will go with that. Till then, I'll stick with the facts and report things as they are. Which in this case is frustratingly and purposefully ambiguous.
But really, none of this matters, it never did. let's just treat and judge this movie on it's own as we have done for the other films.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:49 pm

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I mean yeah, I don't care much either way outside of hoping it's a good film mainly, if it's part of the Bayverse it's fine it's just that I find it a bit of a wasted opportunity for a fresh start as well as creatively limiting for the team for future movies and who they can use but if they can make a good film either way that would be nice.

I just don't take what Lorenzo says "literally" as anything more then his own opinion/interpretation of the films.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Betenoire » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:16 pm

Deadput wrote:
Regardless I mean, let's say Dino from DOTM and Mirage in ROTB are the same guy, DOTM never explains where the guy even comes from since he's just with the Autobots at the start of the film same with Que and Brains (However for the Wreckers it's explained in film that they came to Earth with the ROTF crew which probably means they were kept off the field the whole time)


TLK never explained how Galvatron became Megatron again. I'm going to guess if neither the screen writers nor studio cared enough to explain that one, Dino/Mirage is probably not high on the list of needing to be stated, as outside the core base few probably even will notice. And the ROF writers forgot Blackout was dead, so here is Grindor whose screen time mostly amounts to being Kurgan'd by Prime's Conner MacLeod. macleod

So like the G1 show, sometime bots just show up and then disappear and no one seems to notice or care except the people who think the toys are cool.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby TulioDude » Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:07 pm

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Betenoire wrote:I

I love G1, grew up with it, but honestly start making some new stuff already, or at least revisit stuff that hasn't been done to death in the last 10 years, which hopefully the Beast stuff in this film does.



I understand how you feel and to give HasTak/Paramount/the movie crew credit,they have show ability to create new stuff or reinvent characters.
From 2007 with Barricade and Blackout to Bumblebee with Shatter and Dropkick.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby First-Aid » Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:40 pm

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Betenoire wrote:I love G1, grew up with it, but honestly start making some new stuff already, or at least revisit stuff that hasn't been done to death in the last 10 years, which hopefully the Beast stuff in this film does.



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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Nemesis Reformatted » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:19 pm

It's going to be real hard for them to bring me back to the live action movies after The Last Knight & Bumblebee. This new movie sounds like the worst of them all. I won't judge it until I see it but so far it doesn't sound appealing to me at all.

Abominus is my favorite combiner so that alone should give you a pretty good idea of how I feel. :(

And Mirage is Jazz. Why? Just why? It makes no sense. Just reboot the entire franchise & call the Porsche JAZZ. It's really not that difficult. This series would be super easy to reboot because none of the movies had any continuity anyway. :roll:
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Barricade.it » Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:13 am

Coolest car, coolest color... I'm looking forward to watch what Mirage is capable of! ;)^
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:20 am

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Nemesis Reformatted wrote:It's going to be real hard for them to bring me back to the live action movies after The Last Knight & Bumblebee. This new movie sounds like the worst of them all. I won't judge it until I see it but so far it doesn't sound appealing to me at all.
Sounds like you already made up your mind to see it, and that's all Paramount cares about. Getting you to buy a movie ticket. I'm sure this movie will appeal to enough people who will see it to deem it at least a minor success, even if it most likely ends up being a POS.

As for this "Mirage" having Jazz's alt mode and maybe personality, with what's been said and who the director is, I wouldn't be surprised if even Optimus had 07 Jazz's personality.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Barricade.it » Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:59 am

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:It's going to be real hard for them to bring me back to the live action movies after The Last Knight & Bumblebee. This new movie sounds like the worst of them all. I won't judge it until I see it but so far it doesn't sound appealing to me at all.

Abominus is my favorite combiner so that alone should give you a pretty good idea of how I feel. :(

And Mirage is Jazz. Why? Just why? It makes no sense. Just reboot the entire franchise & call the Porsche JAZZ. It's really not that difficult. This series would be super easy to reboot because none of the movies had any continuity anyway. :roll:


TF7 is set in the Nineties: in TF2007, Jazz is shown to come from space so in the 90s He couldn't be on Earth already. They're trying to give a conitnuity (which is impossible, I tihink)
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:31 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:As for this "Mirage" having Jazz's alt mode and maybe personality, with what's been said and who the director is, I wouldn't be surprised if even Optimus had 07 Jazz's personality.

Mirage was described as a shapeshifter who would take on multiple alt modes and has a rogue personality similar to Crosshairs from AOE.

Because boy that sounds just like good ol Jazz the hip hop loving and loyal Autobot which even at least the 2007 tried to invoke with what moments he had.

The personality sounds more like a Mirage than Jazz, we don't know what the robot mode looks like which for all we know might look a tad like classic Mirage or hey maybe it doesn't look like either of them.


Barricade.it wrote:TF7 is set in the Nineties: in TF2007, Jazz is shown to come from space so in the 90s He couldn't be on Earth already. They're trying to give a conitnuity (which is impossible, I tihink)

The problem with that logic is that Optimus is on Earth too, literally any other Autobot from previous movies could be here and all they would have to do is leave the planet prior to the events of 2007.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:55 am

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Deadput wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:As for this "Mirage" having Jazz's alt mode and maybe personality, with what's been said and who the director is, I wouldn't be surprised if even Optimus had 07 Jazz's personality.

Mirage was described as a shapeshifter who would take on multiple alt modes and has a rogue personality similar to Crosshairs from AOE.

Because boy that sounds just like good ol Jazz the hip hop loving and loyal Autobot which even at least the 2007 tried to invoke with what moments he had.
I didn't say it was fact, I was simply speculating. I have no faith whatsoever in this new movie, whatever tiny hope I had for this version of the franchise died with the Bumblebee movie.
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Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:14 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:As for this "Mirage" having Jazz's alt mode and maybe personality, with what's been said and who the director is, I wouldn't be surprised if even Optimus had 07 Jazz's personality.

Mirage was described as a shapeshifter who would take on multiple alt modes and has a rogue personality similar to Crosshairs from AOE.

Because boy that sounds just like good ol Jazz the hip hop loving and loyal Autobot which even at least the 2007 tried to invoke with what moments he had.
I didn't say it was fact, I was simply speculating. I have no faith whatsoever in this new movie, whatever tiny hope I had for this version of the franchise died with the Bumblebee movie.

Which is an interesting take in of itself to be fair, as a lot of fan reactions were the opposite.
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Postby Deadput » Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:38 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:I didn't say it was fact, I was simply speculating. I have no faith whatsoever in this new movie, whatever tiny hope I had for this version of the franchise died with the Bumblebee movie.

That's understandable, I'm personally hoping for the best but expecting the worst (however that's for when the film is finally out, I'm not going to write off anything till it's out, especially not so early in)

Bumblebee was an alright film I think but also very..."low energy" in my opinion which makes it a non exciting film, I've already fully watched it 3 times but ironically enough I get more enjoyment from rewatching the Bay films due to the mindless action as well as laughing or being annoyed at the absurd stuff as opposed to Bumblebee which is a competent film but kinda boring on rewatches.
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Postby Tuned Agent » Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:08 pm

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I've never understood how uptight fans get about the specific vehicle mode of characters in a franchise that's entire shtick is that it's characters can change forms at a whim, and can easily scan a new alt mode do better disguise themselves in a given environment. Are these characters so shallow that a different car mode or a different color scheme completely changes them, relegating them to just a "name slap"?
I mean, they often are, but that's another subject entirely.

If anything, I'd rather an alt mode say something about the character it belongs to, like how a luxury sports car like a Porsche makes far, far more sense for a high-society character like G1 Mirage than an F1 race car ever did.
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Postby Deadput » Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:09 pm

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Tuned Agent wrote:I've never understood how uptight fans get about the specific vehicle mode of characters in a franchise that's entire shtick is that it's characters can change forms at a whim, and can easily scan a new alt mode do better disguise themselves in a given environment. Are these characters so shallow that a different car mode or a different color scheme completely changes them, relegating them to just a "name slap"?
I mean, they often are, but that's another subject entirely.
People tend to think of Transformers in similar rules to Marvel/DC comic characters where most of the time it's one big continuity until a reboot with characters almost never changing their looks significantly, Transformers has never really ran on those rules because they end their series within 3 years besides I guess IDW comics before the reboot which ran a really long time. Heck I think part of the decline with Marvel/DC these days is due to how stagnant the characters and writing is.


People use the term name slap like the later characters are even supposed to invoke the original name bearers, I mean look at Rid2001 Scourge the guy who literally has nothing in common with the G1 Boat-Beard man besides the name because he's not supposed to since their just reusing the name for trademark purposes, same goes with Cybertron/Galaxy Force Scourge which has nothing in common with those 2 either, it's just a name.

Not that it's much of a distinction but another difference between Superhero names and Transformer ones is that the former are nicknames/alter-egos while most of the time the Transformer names are their actual names or at least their preferred name if it is indeed a nickname (Like take Bumblebee and that unit designation from the last film)

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If anything, I'd rather an alt mode say something about the character it belongs to, like how a luxury sports car like a Porsche makes far, far more sense for a high-society character like G1 Mirage than an F1 race car ever did.


Since Hasbro just used existing toys to repurpose for the original Transformers line I can't fault them entirely on the vehicle mode choice as well as children probably more excited to see exotic/distinct vehicles over boring everyday vehicles.

But man there were a few dumb disguises amongst the original line, Mirage probably takes the cake for the worst disguise among the 1984 Autobots with Wheeljack as a close second due to being a very specific group's racing car.

Because when would one ever see this just driving around on the road especially with a convoy of other vehicles

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The reason I put Mirage above Wheeljack as being worst even though they both have the race car problem is due to Mirage's disguise not serving much utility in that mode either due to being a open one seat vehicle which means Mirage needs a human driving him or a sort of holo driver when he's driving around, this also makes Mirage a useless candidate if he was ever in a situation where he needed to drive around more than 1 human, in gist Wheeljack's alt mode could at least be of some use.

I do hope one of Mirage's disguises is something like the F1 but it being his primary vehicle mode is really not a good idea these days, IRL it's also probably a bit of an impractical car to drive around on set.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Knight » Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:28 pm

Just watch Mirage's robot mode will end up look like G1 Jazz.
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Postby JazztfLaw » Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:41 am

Mirage being a Porche here doesn't suddenly mean that Jazz as a Porche can't show up in a future movie which is also presuming Jazz isn't in this movie in the first place.


I'm pretty sure that's what it means. Jazz gets left out of a lot Transformers media so this will be no different. He doesn't even cameo in the beginning of, Bumblebee, like so many of the other classic, Autobots.
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Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #348 - Uno
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