The Energon Pub

Looks a little better than the last one we saw.

Lookin' good. I'll check out reviews and see whether or not I will use him as my default live-action Optimus.

xyl360 wrote:It also reminds me of Rodimus a bit because of those pipes.

Repaint! Repaint, repaint, REPAINT!!!

From the image, it doesn't look like an improvement over RoTF/DoTM Prime, but I do like the fact that we're getting something new. I'm probably gonna pass on it, unless it really impresses me in-hand at the store. However, I think it would look badass in red with yellow flames. So, if there would ever be a Rodimus repaint (with probably a new head) I would be all over it. It's like a Leader Class version of Energon Rodimus.

Also, I think the 15 steps are for this figure, not Grimlock. Strangely, even though "Destroyer Class" implies it being bigger than Leader Class, I think Grimlock's transformation will be simpler than Prime's. Just a hunch.

As for the melee weapon vs. gun debate, I think it's right for them to stay with the sword and shield. Movie Prime has had an edge-weapon characteristic since the beginning and it works for him. Why change it? Yeah, he had a BFG in DoTM and it was fine, but all his major kills came via the swords/axe. Except for Sentinel, and even for that he didn't use his own gun. Having said that, I think it would be awesome if Prime kept Megatron's shotgun from DoTM as his own. Kinda like a trophy.

eh, the CGI model looks better. the toy is "ok" but i will be damned if that is not the best sword i have ever seen with a transformer.

I think this will make a better Alpha Trion custom than Sentinel Prime!

This looks MUCH better.

Rated X wrote:Im so sick of swords, shields, battle axes, etc. Bring back the guns...

Swords and shields are much more badass than guns.

Looks like this Optimus suffers a lot of the same problems as the other one. Bit of a shell-former and he's got a giant backpack, but the alt mode looks decent.

So did Western Star allow Bay to use their logo on the truck mode? Peterbilt didn't, kinda stupid of them...

Lord Manhammer '74 wrote:Maybe Hasbro, Speilberg, and Paramount are worried that if the kids see guns. The children will go nuts ,and start thinking it's a good idea to shoot up their schools.

And I suppose knives are alot harder for school children to gain access to if they decide to go postal ???

this sorry excuse for a toy is as ugly as a monkey's ass...

I miss the look from previous movies.

I think the CGI in the screen will look pretty cool, but the toy will be very distant of the film. And it is for all characters.
It is a very hard design, is not bad, ii is just not Optimus Prime. If someone took away Batman`s bat on his chest, or Super-man`s big "S", or Spider-man`s Spider on his chest, all of them will get mischaracterized.
All of them have their mark, Optimus is the windows on his chest, that`s make his recognized brand.

Rated X wrote:

Lord Manhammer '74 wrote:Maybe Hasbro, Speilberg, and Paramount are worried that if the kids see guns. The children will go nuts ,and start thinking it's a good idea to shoot up their schools.

And I suppose knives are alot harder for school children to gain access to if they decide to go postal ???

They don't need either. They have the all-powerful SPORK!

autobot1979 wrote:I think the CGI in the screen will look pretty cool, but the toy will be very distant of the film. And it is for all characters.
It is a very hard design, is not bad, ii is just not Optimus Prime. If someone took away Batman`s bat on his chest, or Super-man`s big "S", or Spider-man`s Spider on his chest, all of them will get mischaracterized.
All of them have their mark, Optimus is the windows on his chest, that`s make his recognized brand.

No, Optimus has an Autobot symbol.

Va'al wrote:We had seen the Leader class toy before

There is no way that was a leader class. It was WAY too small. Deluxe at most.

I can understand that these are toys for kids and they are trying to make them as uncomplicated as possible, but I really do love complicated transformations. ROTF prime was an amazing figure and one of my all-time favorites. Looking at the trends, it saddens me to think that getting a figure as ingeniously designed and as accurate as ROTF Prime would be impossible...

Actar wrote:I can understand that these are toys for kids and they are trying to make them as uncomplicated as possible, but I really do love complicated transformations. ROTF prime was an amazing figure and one of my all-time favorites. Looking at the trends, it saddens me to think that getting a figure as ingeniously designed and as accurate as ROTF Prime would be impossible...

Sad but true. ROTF Prime at least had visible car parts that the toy designer could try to find ways of realigning into an alt mode. While we haven't yet seen any full-body pics of AOE OP, it's pretty obvious that he'll have next to no car parts on his limbs or torso.

So the question is, where does it all go?

Well, in CGI, it's easily solved with camera angles where they either rotate out of view, or disappear behind the bot during transformation, or simply fold into the torso as seen in DOTM Megatron's transformation.

In AOE OP's case, the back of the fig is the only place it could possibly go in order to maintain a level of screen-accuracy.

Truth is, it's perfectly fine as a toy designed for kids, who focus on playability and fun more than accuracy. For adult collectors, though...actually, it depends on what kind of collector you are.

Personally, I view my TF's more as display items than toys, so the less-than-accurate bot mode is not my cup of tea (unless the CGI model also stores all his car parts on his back, which I doubt.) I'd settle for a DMK kit, though--the design itself is quite nice.

I actually like it. I think the simplistic look reminds me of movie one leader Optimus Prime. The chrome is a nice edition too. I don't know, these simplistic transformations could be a bad thing or a good thing.

Rated X wrote:Im so sick of swords, shields, battle axes, etc. Bring back the guns...

Not just the guns... THE gun! Bring back Optimus Prime's gun. You know, that iconic, kick-ass rifle that had the glint of sunlight flicker off it as Prime went to pick it up and level it at Megatron (after soundly kicking his ass) way back when.
I could care less that his body style has changed over the years, well... up until now at least. This new iteration looks like the south end of a north-bound Dinobot. But the very least they could do, out of respect for the fans and for the character itself, is give him his recognizable, iconic, BFG!

Hell, even that neutered pea-shooter that comes with Orion Pax was at least SOME kind of attempt and likely meant to be the first incarnation of what would eventually be Primes guns (which only makes sense) but it's the first figure in ages where they even made half a try. It's like remaking Dirty Harry and not giving him a 44 Magnum. Who cares if 50 cal handguns are on the market now, that 44 Mag. just fits him...PERIOD!

T-Macksimus wrote:

Rated X wrote:Im so sick of swords, shields, battle axes, etc. Bring back the guns...

Not just the guns... THE gun! Bring back Optimus Prime's gun. You know, that iconic, kick-ass rifle that had the glint of sunlight flicker off it as Prime went to pick it up and level it at Megatron (after soundly kicking his ass) way back when.
I could care less that his body style has changed over the years, well... up until now at least. This new iteration looks like the south end of a north-bound Dinobot. But the very least they could do, out of respect for the fans and for the character itself, is give him his recognizable, iconic, BFG!

Hell, even that neutered pea-shooter that comes with Orion Pax was at least SOME kind of attempt and likely meant to be the first incarnation of what would eventually be Primes guns (which only makes sense) but it's the first figure in ages where they even made half a try. It's like remaking Dirty Harry and not giving him a 44 Magnum. Who cares if 50 cal handguns are on the market now, that 44 Mag. just fits him...PERIOD!

Things change.

Niiiiiiice. I wonder what class the toy with only 15 steps will be?

Guys, this should answer your question... This is the Leader Class figure, right here: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ime/28556/



The one in question in this thread is not the same figure.

Now, I'm openminded, it could be a case of getting the classes wrong. The newest figure we've seen could be the Leader and this could be a Voyager or something.

Mykltron wrote:

Va'al wrote:We had seen the Leader class toy before

There is no way that was a leader class. It was WAY too small. Deluxe at most.

As has been said, it was advertised as Leader class. They may have been wrong.

Also, in addition to Autobot032's post above, the Seibertron gallery of the NYCC coverage, with lots of photos of the supposed Leader class: www.seibertron.com/events/gallery.php?e ... 0&start=50.

Va'al wrote:

Mykltron wrote:

Va'al wrote:We had seen the Leader class toy before

There is no way that was a leader class. It was WAY too small. Deluxe at most.

As has been said, it was advertised as Leader class. They may have been wrong.

Also, in addition to Autobot032's post above, the Seibertron gallery of the NYCC coverage, with lots of photos of the supposed Leader class: http://www.seibertron.com/events/galler ... 0&start=50.

I know all that, and I'm telling you it's not as big as the smallest leader class figure released so far. Look at the size of the pins. Somewhere I posted a fig of Ryan standing with that figure and it looks to be about 6 inches tall.

Mykltron wrote:

Va'al wrote:

Mykltron wrote:

Va'al wrote:We had seen the Leader class toy before

There is no way that was a leader class. It was WAY too small. Deluxe at most.

As has been said, it was advertised as Leader class. They may have been wrong.

Also, in addition to Autobot032's post above, the Seibertron gallery of the NYCC coverage, with lots of photos of the supposed Leader class: http://www.seibertron.com/events/galler ... 0&start=50.

I know all that, and I'm telling you it's not as big as the smallest leader class figure released so far. Look at the size of the pins. Somewhere I posted a fig of Ryan standing with that figure and it looks to be about 6 inches tall.

I remember that pic. He's way too small to be Leader Class. For the sake of argument, let's say that the Comic Con one IS the Leader Class, then they really dropped the ball, because this figure looks much much better than that mess I linked everyone to.

To me, it feels more like a Leader, look at all the thinner panels, how the backpack (or at least it seems...) folds up tighter. The previous one is an absolute mess, even when transformed correctly.

No, I think they swapped these. I think we've yet to see the Leader Class. (and if we have, well then I'm pretty @#$! disappointed.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8VI7OtWDqs