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Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Emerje » Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:59 am

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Yeah, I'm really baffled by the choice to make Star Convoy a Titan unless he comes with all of the missing Micromasters, too, including Sixliner. He shouldn't be any bigger than Commander Jetfire or Armada Prime or the completed Menasor. What's really confusing is if you go by the official art Sky Garry is about the same size as Optimus Prime and he's the smallest of the trio, but art shows them all as being pretty close in size.

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That last image would imply that Optimus didn't get any bigger when he upgraded.

Rodimus Prime wrote:So Silverbolt will be done the same way Motormaster was. I wonder if we'll get a leader class Concorde with all the combined accessories, or if it will be Silverbolt turning into a complete skeleton for the deluxe limbs

I think we'll get something similar to Brave Dagwon where the combiner parts are just built up underneath (but removable)

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Superion combines in the cartoon the same way as Menasor with big blocks for lower legs and jets strapped to the back. I can't imagine the jet itself will be permanently compromised by the combiner parts just like Motormaster's truck cab formed a robot without requiring any of his combiner parts.

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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Nemesis Primal » Sat Sep 28, 2024 12:20 pm

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Wow, those new listings do...nothing for me. The most interesting thing here to me is that a Seaspray mold is potentially on the table and I could therefore get repaints in the future.

Bumblevivisector wrote:Another possibility just dawned on me: maybe this listing's misleading and the "Titan" is SC + Sky Garry and Grandus, and their vehicle gestalt (Battlestar Attacker? Did it never have a name like Big Powered?) is Titan-size! That would be awesome, and possibly the only way the latter 2 ever get a proper update.
Emerje wrote:Yeah, I'm really baffled by the choice to make Star Convoy a Titan unless he comes with all of the missing Micromasters, too, including Sixliner. He shouldn't be any bigger than Commander Jetfire or Armada Prime or the completed Menasor. What's really confusing is if you go by the official art Sky Garry is about the same size as Optimus Prime and he's the smallest of the trio, but art shows them all as being pretty close in size.
If I remember right, the Hasbro design team said in a recent interview (don't remember if it was just at SDCC or something else, I'll have to double-check) that Takara is trying to get just Grandus by himself made a Titan Class release, which seems to imply that not only is Grandus NOT in play here, but that they consider all 3 of those characters Titan-size.
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sat Sep 28, 2024 12:22 pm

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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Bumblevivisector » Sat Sep 28, 2024 12:33 pm

Nemesis Primal wrote:If I remember right, the Hasbro design team said in a recent interview (don't remember if it was just at SDCC or something else, I'll have to double-check) that Takara is trying to get just Grandus by himself made a Titan Class release, which seems to imply that not only is Grandus NOT in play here, but that they consider all 3 of those characters Titan-size.
Or if Grandus is still the biggest, maybe Sabrblade's guess of Commander Star Convoy is about right, but with Leader or Commander Class Sky Garry to bump the box up to Titan size? That might require coming up with some new way for just the 2 of them to combine for this to make sense to fans unfamiliar with the characters, but it could still work if Grandus was a sure thing for 2026.
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Razorbeast88 » Sat Sep 28, 2024 12:35 pm

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Is the retro inspired line not just G1 reissues with some new paint?
That's what I thought it was but I'm seeing comments about a new seaspray
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby #1 Signal Lancer fan » Sat Sep 28, 2024 12:55 pm

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I’ve done some thinking and gathered my best guesses on which design each of the Thirteen is likely to be based on. I took three things into consideration for this: A) How iconic each design is, B) Variety of representation (so not all from Aligned or IDW), and C) How doable the design would be.

First up, the confirmed Primes for the line:
Prima: This one has to be either his G1 appearance or Aligned, but I would lean towards Aligned
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Solus Prime: Prime Wars
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The Fallen: Dreamwave Comics
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Alchemist Prime: Cyberverse
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Micronus Prime: RID 2015
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Onyx Prime: IDW Comics
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Alpha Trion: A repackaging or redeco of Legacy Alpha Trion from the two-pack
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Now, for the ones not yet confirmed:

Amalgamous Prime: The only one with a clear design, Transformers One (from the trading cards)
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Quintus Prime: Earthspark
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Liege Maximo: Marvel Comics
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Nexus Prime: Timelines Comics
He would have to be a combiner, of course
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Razorbeast88 » Sat Sep 28, 2024 12:58 pm

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G1 prima looks a little like Cyclonus
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Nemesis Primal » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:20 pm

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Razorbeast88 wrote:Is the retro inspired line not just G1 reissues with some new paint?
That's what I thought it was but I'm seeing comments about a new seaspray
The previous G1 reissue listings all just said "TRA Gen Retro [character name]" or "TRA 40th Retro [1/2]", the fact that these specify retro-inspired and include current class names implies a difference.

Looking backwards at when the 2025 exclusives we already knew leaked, these listings were also referred to by the leaker as a Retro-Inspired capsule and there were two more of them as well that we currently don't know the character for:
Tra Gen Retro Inspired 1
Product Number: G1093

Tra Gen Retro Inspired 2
Product Number: G1094

Tra Gen Retro Inspired 3 (Now identified as Deluxe Seaspray)
Product Number: G1382

Tra Gen Retro Inspired 4 (Now identified as Deluxe Brawn)
Product Number: G1384
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby #1 Signal Lancer fan » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:21 pm

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Razorbeast88 wrote:G1 prima looks a little like Cyclonus


That’s part of the reason I chose him, it makes a toy of him super doable.

That, and it would be a good way to bring in a character from G1 to this
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Razorbeast88 » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:30 pm

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Nemesis Primal wrote:
Razorbeast88 wrote:Is the retro inspired line not just G1 reissues with some new paint?
That's what I thought it was but I'm seeing comments about a new seaspray
The previous G1 reissue listings all just said "TRA Gen Retro [character name]" or "TRA 40th Retro [1/2]", the fact that these specify retro-inspired and include current class names implies a difference.

Looking backwards at when the 2025 exclusives we already knew leaked, these listings were also referred to by the leaker as a Retro-Inspired capsule and there were two more of them as well that we currently don't know the character for:
Tra Gen Retro Inspired 1
Product Number: G1093

Tra Gen Retro Inspired 2
Product Number: G1094

Tra Gen Retro Inspired 3 (Now identified as Deluxe Seaspray)
Product Number: G1382

Tra Gen Retro Inspired 4 (Now identified as Deluxe Brawn)
Product Number: G1384


I appreciate the clarification!
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:58 pm

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So will these be the recently released deluxes with original toy colors?
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:41 pm

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#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:Alpha Trion: A repackaging or redeco of Legacy Alpha Trion from the two-pack
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I feel like if this were to be the case, the leaks would have specified it as either a "package refresh" or a "rerelease", but they haven't.

Another possibility is a redeco of the Legacy Thundertron mold using its mass retail head instead of its proper Star Raiders head, in homage to both the old BotCon concept that never came to be (which was made from Beast Machines Snarl) and the Titans Return Alpha Trion having a lion altmode (and aligning with the same being the case for TF One Alpha Trion).
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby #1 Signal Lancer fan » Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:52 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Another possibility is a redeco of the Legacy Thundertron mold using its mass retail head instead of its proper Star Raiders head, in homage to both the old BotCon concept that never came to be (which was made from Beast Machines Snarl) and the Titans Return Alpha Trion having a lion altmode (and aligning with the same being the case for TF One Alpha Trion).


This could definitely be the case, especially given that the original Thundertron was redecoed into ‘Alpha Trizer.’

Could also be a redeco of Vector Prime, like the Timelines Alpha Trion was.

On the topic of the Thindertron mold, I’m surprised it hasn’t been redecoed into Leobreaker yet. Maybe for the upcoming Cybertron pack?
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:58 pm

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#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:On the topic of the Thindertron mold, I’m surprised it hasn’t been redecoed into Leobreaker yet. Maybe for the upcoming Cybertron pack?
I think fans would be pretty angry with any new Leobreaker being a mere reuse of an existing mold instead of a new one made especially able to combine with the Siege Galaxy Upgrade Optimus.

Every time a new toy is made for a combiner character that didn't retain its original combiner gimmick, fans have been upset by it (see Universe 2008 Onslaught, Universe 2008 Silverbolt, the Animated versions of Swindle and the Stunticons, Generations GDO Hot Spot, Kingdom BWII Skywarp, etc.).
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Overcracker » Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:15 pm

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The only conceivable reason they would need to make Star Convoy a titan is if:
1. The male him fully articulated at the legs / trailer
2. Include his Rodimus micro master.
3 They give him the battery powered rolling tread gimmick of the original.

And even then, $200 bucks is a stretch.
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:33 pm

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Watching TJ Omega's video about this news, and he mentioned that Evan and the others at Hasbro have talked about considering making Titans smaller in order to get brick-and-mortar stores to carry them, since they would take up so much shelf space at their current size. It's possible that this Star Convoy could be the first outing of that smaller Titan size as a test to see how well it might do at Target and Walmart stores, since it is a version of Optimus Prime after all.
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Emerje » Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:47 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Watching TJ Omega's video about this news, and he mentioned that Evan and the others at Hasbro have talked about considering making Titans smaller in order to get brick-and-mortar stores to carry them, since they would take up so much shelf space at their current size. It's possible that this Star Convoy could be the first outing of that smaller Titan size as a test to see how well it might do at Target and Walmart stores, since it is a version of Optimus Prime after all.

Problem with that theory is we rarely see Commanders in stores, I don't think making Titans smaller is going to change anything.

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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:48 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Watching TJ Omega's video about this news, and he mentioned that Evan and the others at Hasbro have talked about considering making Titans smaller in order to get brick-and-mortar stores to carry them, since they would take up so much shelf space at their current size. It's possible that this Star Convoy could be the first outing of that smaller Titan size as a test to see how well it might do at Target and Walmart stores, since it is a version of Optimus Prime after all.


Bah, call me crazy but I'd take a page from Diaclone and make a titan in two parts. Part A one year, part B the next. Each would become a vehicle that would change into half a bot.
But I don't think it would work for normal retail.

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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sun Sep 29, 2024 1:30 am

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-Kanrabat- wrote:call me crazy but I'd take a page from Diaclone and make a titan in two parts. Part A one year, part B the next. Each would become a vehicle that would change into half a bot.
But I don't think it would work
I think it would, at least size-wise. That's pretty much 2 commanders combined to make a titan. Just depends on which characters are used.

Smaller titans would be a bad idea. Because then, they wouldn't be TITANS. (Yes, all you know-it-alls, I'm aware that Titan Class refers to price, not size.)
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:08 am

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-Kanrabat- wrote:call me crazy but I'd take a page from Diaclone and make a titan in two parts. Part A one year, part B the next. Each would become a vehicle that would change into half a bot.
But I don't think it would work
I think it would, at least size-wise. That's pretty much 2 commanders combined to make a titan. Just depends on which characters are used.

Smaller titans would be a bad idea. Because then, they wouldn't be TITANS. (Yes, all you know-it-alls, I'm aware that Titan Class refers to price, not size.)


I meant two Titan prices and sized halves. Meaning we'd get something akin HASLAB Unicron once the two parts are combined.

Still, Doing a huge-ass combiner using only Commanders,in 6 parts, would be wild too.
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Nemesis Destron » Sun Sep 29, 2024 5:43 pm

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On the topic of Star Convoy I for one think this is epic, and I totally looked past all the other listed figures just for SC alone. I guess I'm just really curious and hopefully the flaws on the Selects figure will have superior improvements.

It really should have been a commander class and since the Powers That Be have returned giving Star Convoy some needed attention I think the same should be directed to Big Powerd in a much needed commander class too IMHO...'nuff said! :VEHI:
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Sun Sep 29, 2024 9:36 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:call me crazy but I'd take a page from Diaclone and make a titan in two parts. Part A one year, part B the next. Each would become a vehicle that would change into half a bot.
But I don't think it would work
I think it would, at least size-wise. That's pretty much 2 commanders combined to make a titan. Just depends on which characters are used.

Smaller titans would be a bad idea. Because then, they wouldn't be TITANS. (Yes, all you know-it-alls, I'm aware that Titan Class refers to price, not size.)


It was made for larger figures at a higher price point. If they're going to start making them smaller without lowering the price then I think there needs to be a march on Hasbro.
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby o.supreme » Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:12 am

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Not holding out hope here, but "IF" the Generations Titan for 2025 was the entire Battlestar Attack set (Star Convoy, Grandus, and Sky Garry). I could accept that. I Know Hasbro has a crazy idea that they wanted an Optimus at every scale, but it is kind of nonsensical if its Just Star Convoy. I've heard people say that Star Convoy (in fiction) is something like over 100 ft tall, I cant find any evidence of this, and I own the translated manga with the story pages, though he's mostly in space and fighting Super Megatron....

Even if it was an 18 inch Titan like CW Devastator or Tidal Wave, Id say that was way too big. Of course I also think Tidal Wave would have been much better at CC... Oh well.... If that's the case then perhaps my Titan purchasing days truly are over, as this would be the 2nd one I didn't Purchase. I know my wife would be happy since space is really running out.
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:11 pm

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o.supreme wrote:Not holding out hope here, but "IF" the Generations Titan for 2025 was the entire Battlestar Attack set (Star Convoy, Grandus, and Sky Garry). I could accept that. I Know Hasbro has a crazy idea that they wanted an Optimus at every scale, but it is kind of nonsensical if its Just Star Convoy. I've heard people say that Star Convoy (in fiction) is something like over 100 ft tall, I cant find any evidence of this, and I own the translated manga with the story pages, though he's mostly in space and fighting Super Megatron....

Even if it was an 18 inch Titan like CW Devastator or Tidal Wave, Id say that was way too big. Of course I also think Tidal Wave would have been much better at CC... Oh well.... If that's the case then perhaps my Titan purchasing days truly are over, as this would be the 2nd one I didn't Purchase. I know my wife would be happy since space is really running out.
Star Convoy is a big guy, but not Cityformer big. He's more like Combiner-sized, like how God Ginrai, Star Saber (without Victory Leo), and Dai Atlas are.

His base mode is scaled for Micromasters, like how Armada Optimus's trailer base is scaled for Mini-Cons.

The height of Siege Jetfire, Legacy Menasor, or even Legacy Armada Optimus's slightly shorter size would have been perfect for him.
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Re: Transformers: Age of the Primes 2025 Transformers Generations Line Discussion

Postby o.supreme » Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:21 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Star Convoy is a big guy, but not Cityformer big. He's more like Combiner-sized, like how God Ginrai, Star Saber (without Victory Leo), and Dai Atlas are.

His base mode is scaled for Micromasters, like how Armada Optimus's trailer base is scaled for Mini-Cons.

The height of Siege Jetfire, Legacy Menasor, or even Legacy Armada Optimus's slightly shorter size would have been perfect for him.


^Awesome, glad that was clarified. I made the same comparison on another forum to Star Saber & Dai Atlas, and someone was like "no Star Convoy is 48M (or 157 feet tall)", and that just didn't make sense.

I agree CC ala Siege Jetfire would be perfect for Star Convoy. So if we got a CC sized Star Convoy & Grandus, and maybe a Leader sized Sky Garry.... But then that Titan set would probably be pushed into the $230 or $240 range...
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