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Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:54 pm

Of course the Decepticons are going to be in the show. They've already cast Tom Kenny as Starscream and Corey Burton as Megatron. To already have cast VA's for characters who appear in the final episodes or whatever would be illogical. Remember, "more frequently" does not mean "always".

I'm expecting the Decepticons to be featured as major villains. They'll probably be like Slade in Teen Titans, popping up less frequently than the less threatening baddies, but still having some major storylines devoted to them.

Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:59 pm

You know...they could have (and preferably should have)easily done this with the Playskool Gobots that came out a couple of years back.
But no, the cartoon of THAT sucked, even by kiddie standards.

Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:44 pm

I know the animation/art isn't well liked, but this could still be the best 2D Transformers show yet (as far as fluidness and animation flaws). I'll give it a chance, since I've never really been won over or pushed away by one of Hasbro's press releases.

Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:58 pm

Well, if the US is getting the show in 2008, does that mean the UK will get it till 2009? I'm not waiting that long :-x

If a DVD release will be early of Heroes, I'll buy them off Amazon :lol:

Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:07 am

WHAT!?!?!? That's one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. I guess that's why they all have signal lights. Why don't they do a God Ginrai series where humans ARE actually connected to them?

New cartoon Optimus Prime: "Lets go to this planet called earth to fight evil little flesh creatures who want to hurt other innocent little flesh creatures, because their nuclear weapons are not strong enough to wipe themselves off the face of the planet!"

4 out of 300 autobots: Sure why the hell not?

Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:36 am

Thank you, TheMuffin. As a huge fan of Teen Titans, I was very much getting tired of people -- who apparently don't even know diddly-squat -- trashing it.

Seriously, people. Comparing Teen Titans to the new TF series is like trying to compare apples to oranges. It doesn't do any favors for your image.

As for myself, I personally don't like what I'm seeing and hearing. But you know, maybe I'll actually end up liking it. (Goodness knows I used to hate broccoli as a kid, but later in life grew to love it.)

News Credits: 5 · Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:40 am

Silver Wind wrote:Thank you, TheMuffin. As a huge fan of Teen Titans, I was very much getting tired of people -- who apparently don't even know diddly-squat -- trashing it.

Seriously, people. Comparing Teen Titans to the new TF series is like trying to compare apples to oranges. It doesn't do any favors for your image.

As for myself, I personally don't like what I'm seeing and hearing. But you know, maybe I'll actually end up liking it. (Goodness knows I used to hate broccoli as a kid, but later in life grew to love it.)

sure apples and oranges are different, but they have a commonality when coming from the same store!!! Teen titans is great for itself but should not have been the company that does the new transformers series..

Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:15 am

The artwork is a major turnoff, it looks like it's purely aimed at pre-school kids the way they have draw it. Don't like the look of it and don't like the sound of it, ok the original animated series (graphics wise) wasn't great when you look back on it now but it makes this **** look like it's been drawn by Stevie Wonder.

News Credits: 5 · Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:26 am

I Give Up!!! "Animated" is rthe new hot style and all or most cartoons are going in that direction, it seems very cheap and stupid!!! It's a sad day in the world of pop culture when the industry decides that crappy animation is more important..copy copy copy is all they are doing from each other.. its all about capitalizing on the success ofg Batman animagted and Superman Animated, which lead to the popularity of Justice League unlimited...

Spiderman is going that way too!!!
http://enewsi.com/news.php?catid=194&itemid=11270

Read it and weep...Transformers, Batman, Spiderman, Superman, Justice League Unlimited, TMNT, Teen Titans, Hellboy.. you name it, they have it!! Its all down hill from here..

Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:31 am

TheMuffin wrote:I wanted to post this here as well.

If it's anything like Teen Titans, this will be excellent. That series was panned by people for being too kiddy....Though more often then not, the episodes were quite serious. They had some funny ones of course, but a lot were very dark. Not to mention that the animation itself was extremely fluid. People are already trashing this when they've effectively seen nothing except for a picture. I don't have a problem with that for the most part. I just wish folks would hold off until they've seen a couple episodes.

Hell Titans first episode was pretty generic. It wasn't until the end of the first season where things really started getting good. I could see this being the same way. Having the Decepticons staying in the background for most of the first season, manipulating the humans into doing things for them. That way the Autobots think the humans are the cause of all the problems since they came to Earth. I mean come on guys, it's the writer who did the 2003 Ninja Turtles and X-Men. Those were both excellent series.

They say in the synopsis that the shows aren't linked....Freakishly enough they said the same thing about Teen Titans. And for the most part each episode was it's own self contained story. But many had a little thing happen that made you realize something was building in the background. I can definitely see them taking this approach. And I personally can't wait to see this show. Certainly a breath of fresh air compared to that Anime bullshit we've had for the last 4 series.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't see this as being solely about the writing and story direction; its also about how they look.
The 'look' of Transformers is every bit as powerful as the writing and moreso I'd argue since we're talking about a visual entertainment medium that is rooted to a toy franchise. There's most often been a certain seriousness and plausability to the tech design of Tf's, both as robots and as vehicles, and this I feel is one of the winning aspects to their formula. Kids loved it in '84 and they're loving it now.
Back to writing and story direction, one thing we've seen is that if there is going to be a liberal reinterpretation of how Tfs appear in a series, then the story elements better be recognizable. Beast Wars achieved this balance with unconventional looking characters but still very familiar plot /story elements. Beast Machines tried pushing things further design-wise and story-wise but they ultimately went too far and the fans rendered their judgement. Bottom line: Transformers work as cool robot factions that shapeshift into realistic or plausable /sci-fi vehicles etc, not as as an overly-humanized, zany-proportioned superhero squad.

News Credits: 5 · Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:41 am

Funkmaster Fleximus wrote:
TheMuffin wrote:I wanted to post this here as well.

If it's anything like Teen Titans, this will be excellent. That series was panned by people for being too kiddy....Though more often then not, the episodes were quite serious. They had some funny ones of course, but a lot were very dark. Not to mention that the animation itself was extremely fluid. People are already trashing this when they've effectively seen nothing except for a picture. I don't have a problem with that for the most part. I just wish folks would hold off until they've seen a couple episodes.

Hell Titans first episode was pretty generic. It wasn't until the end of the first season where things really started getting good. I could see this being the same way. Having the Decepticons staying in the background for most of the first season, manipulating the humans into doing things for them. That way the Autobots think the humans are the cause of all the problems since they came to Earth. I mean come on guys, it's the writer who did the 2003 Ninja Turtles and X-Men. Those were both excellent series.

They say in the synopsis that the shows aren't linked....Freakishly enough they said the same thing about Teen Titans. And for the most part each episode was it's own self contained story. But many had a little thing happen that made you realize something was building in the background. I can definitely see them taking this approach. And I personally can't wait to see this show. Certainly a breath of fresh air compared to that Anime bullshit we've had for the last 4 series.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't see this as being solely about the writing and story direction; its also about how they look.
The 'look' of Transformers is every bit as powerful as the writing and moreso I'd argue since we're talking about a visual entertainment medium that is rooted to a toy franchise. There's most often been a certain seriousness and plausability to the tech design of Tf's, both as robots and as vehicles, and this I feel is one of the winning aspects to their formula. Kids loved it in '84 and they're loving it now.
Back to writing and story direction, one thing we've seen is that if there is going to be a liberal reinterpretation of how Tfs appear in a series, then the story elements better be recognizable. Beast Wars achieved this balance with unconventional looking characters but still very familiar plot /story elements. Beast Machines tried pushing things further design-wise and story-wise but they ultimately went too far and the fans rendered their judgement. Bottom line: Transformers work as cool robot factions that shapeshift into realistic or plausable /sci-fi vehicles etc, not as as an overly-humanized, zany-proportioned superhero squad.

QFT

News Credits: 38 · Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:03 am

But if the stories end up being good (and as I said, the dude who wrote TMNT 2003 and X-men is on the crew), then would some off proportions really bother you? I've always been one for substance over style. If a show has a good story, I really don't care how poor the animation is. Granted I don't mind this animation style either. Even for Transformers.

Also people need to stop lumping TMNT 2003 with the others as being the same animation style. It's not even close to the same.

Regardless I'll take the story quality of TMNT 2003 mixed with the animation of Teen Titans any day of the week over the poor ass dubs we've gotten in the last four series.

Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:10 am

TheMuffin wrote:But if the stories end up being good (and as I said, the dude who wrote TMNT 2003 and X-men is on the crew), then would some off proportions really bother you? I've always been one for substance over style. If a show has a good story, I really don't care how poor the animation is. Granted I don't mind this animation style either. Even for Transformers.

Also people need to stop lumping TMNT 2003 with the others as being the same animation style. It's not even close to the same.

Regardless I'll take the story quality of TMNT 2003 mixed with the animation of Teen Titans any day of the week over the poor ass dubs we've gotten in the last four series.

Why many TF fans I ve seen have problam with anime TF
.If they dont like the dubs then dont watch it. Watch in Japanese with Subs. I love it anyway but only Armada that dont like.
As for the new show the art stlye may suck but I hope there will be some nice toys.

News Credits: 38 · Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:35 am

Chromedome87 wrote:
TheMuffin wrote:But if the stories end up being good (and as I said, the dude who wrote TMNT 2003 and X-men is on the crew), then would some off proportions really bother you? I've always been one for substance over style. If a show has a good story, I really don't care how poor the animation is. Granted I don't mind this animation style either. Even for Transformers.

Also people need to stop lumping TMNT 2003 with the others as being the same animation style. It's not even close to the same.

Regardless I'll take the story quality of TMNT 2003 mixed with the animation of Teen Titans any day of the week over the poor ass dubs we've gotten in the last four series.
Why many TF fans I ve seen have problam with anime TF
.If they don't like the dubs then don't watch it. Watch in Japanese with Subs. I love it anyway but only Armada that don't like.
As for the new show the art style may suck but I hope there will be some nice toys.

To be honest I sincerely dislike most Anime period. So that's already one giant strike. The second strike is then having to read for the entire episode. Television is made for audio and video output. I shouldn't have to read for 30 minutes straight to get the story. And the third strike being the horrible 3D animation. I don't like how they just took the toys and made models based off of them. Including the poor joints on a lot of them. There was very little fluidity and every move they made was jerky and really unappealing. Plus the lips...Oh God the lips!

Sorry. Bad flashback there. I'm just sad we have to wait until 08' for the series to come out. This movie is only gonna last a few months and then it'll be gone. Be kind of shocking to not have anything in between.

Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:15 pm

it's a kids cartoon bigtime.. i have a feeling it's going to be very anime influences .. with X's on the eyes.. flood crying.. and super deformed characters shapes during moments of extreme emotion.