And your point is...? This is neither SS86 nor an extension of it. It's just an odds-and-sods line for assorted stuff they want to put on shelves but can't squeeze into the other lines.o.supreme wrote:Wow... while I can see how ER Starscream could get a pass as part of SS86 with coronation upgrades, the ER Cliffjumper makes little sense. It is a fine toy on its own, but it is nowhere near TF:TM accurate in appearance.
Cheapens what concept? The concept of a misc. line? The concept of budget redecoes?o.supreme wrote:I know some characters were speculated as budget repaints, but it just cheapens the concept that they are actually doing this.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:And your point is...? This is neither SS86 nor an extension of it. It's just an odds-and-sods line for assorted stuff they want to put on shelves but can't squeeze into the other lines.o.supreme wrote:Wow... while I can see how ER Starscream could get a pass as part of SS86 with coronation upgrades, the ER Cliffjumper makes little sense. It is a fine toy on its own, but it is nowhere near TF:TM accurate in appearance.Cheapens what concept? The concept of a misc. line? The concept of budget redecoes?o.supreme wrote:I know some characters were speculated as budget repaints, but it just cheapens the concept that they are actually doing this.
ZeroWolf wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:And your point is...? This is neither SS86 nor an extension of it. It's just an odds-and-sods line for assorted stuff they want to put on shelves but can't squeeze into the other lines.o.supreme wrote:Wow... while I can see how ER Starscream could get a pass as part of SS86 with coronation upgrades, the ER Cliffjumper makes little sense. It is a fine toy on its own, but it is nowhere near TF:TM accurate in appearance.Cheapens what concept? The concept of a misc. line? The concept of budget redecoes?o.supreme wrote:I know some characters were speculated as budget repaints, but it just cheapens the concept that they are actually doing this.
I think o.supreme is carrying on the speculation that Cliffjumper is destined for the SS86 line itself based on his number designation and SS86 branding.
As for me, we'll see what happens. G1 accuracy was never my bag so these don't do a lot for me. Happy for those who like them though.
ZeroWolf wrote:A look at the side would make it easier to work out
william-james88 wrote:Just curious, is SS86 kup still on Target shelves or not?
o.supreme wrote:I mean it's pretty obvious that Cliffjumper is going to be part of the SS86 line with the designation SS86 13, ( which comes just after coronation Starscream btw...) otherwise they just could have put his ER number on the Buzzworthy packaging, or no number at all.
If they made another character SS86 13 in the SS line proper, that would be all sorts of convoluted and asinine. Also like SS74 which arrived in Buzzworthy first before getting a release in SS packaging, I fully expect SS79 and this new deco Cliffjumper to do the same.
AcademyofDrX wrote:I'm not sure what we're arguing about here. The BB figure is SS86 13BB. There won't be an SS86 13, because this Cliffjumper is the SS version. I can't imagine what an SS86 13 Cliffjumper would be other than this. They wanted a cartoon redeco and to reuse the Moonbase backdrop, so this is where it wound up.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:This is neither SS86 nor an extension of it.
TF-fan kev777 wrote:We already know the wave assortments for all of Studio Series and Cliff wasn't on it at all.
AcademyofDrX wrote:o.supreme wrote:I mean it's pretty obvious that Cliffjumper is going to be part of the SS86 line with the designation SS86 13, ( which comes just after coronation Starscream btw...) otherwise they just could have put his ER number on the Buzzworthy packaging, or no number at all.
If they made another character SS86 13 in the SS line proper, that would be all sorts of convoluted and asinine. Also like SS74 which arrived in Buzzworthy first before getting a release in SS packaging, I fully expect SS79 and this new deco Cliffjumper to do the same.
I'm not sure what we're arguing about here. The BB figure is SS86 13BB. There won't be an SS86 13, because this Cliffjumper is the SS version. I can't imagine what an SS86 13 Cliffjumper would be other than this. They wanted a cartoon redeco and to reuse the Moonbase backdrop, so this is where it wound up.
Edit: I think I get it now, you're saying it'll be a straight re-release at mass retail. Maybe, but I wouldn't bet money on it.
o.supreme wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:I'm not sure what we're arguing about here. The BB figure is SS86 13BB. There won't be an SS86 13, because this Cliffjumper is the SS version. I can't imagine what an SS86 13 Cliffjumper would be other than this. They wanted a cartoon redeco and to reuse the Moonbase backdrop, so this is where it wound up.
This is what I was responding to:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:This is neither SS86 nor an extension of it.TF-fan kev777 wrote:We already know the wave assortments for all of Studio Series and Cliff wasn't on it at all.
TF-fan kev777 wrote:What I think Zelda was saying is that for the Buzzworthy subline, the normal rules of SS86 going for screen accuracy don't seem to apply, it is just a catch-all line for putting product out that doesn't necessarily have to follow the "rules" of the lines they are borrowing from.
o.supreme wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:What I think Zelda was saying is that for the Buzzworthy subline, the normal rules of SS86 going for screen accuracy don't seem to apply, it is just a catch-all line for putting product out that doesn't necessarily have to follow the "rules" of the lines they are borrowing from.
That goes back to my original point as well. I am well aware that Buzzworthy is a catch all line. So if Hasbro going to rerelease ER Cliffjumper in it, why not just use the ER designation? Or no number at all? Putting a SS designation on ER Cliffjumper strongly implies a very different thing, even if it is in Buzzworthy packaging.
AcademyofDrX wrote:I think the fandom gives way too much credence to product lines.
william-james88 wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:I think the fandom gives way too much credence to product lines.
Yes, and numbering systems too.
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