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Sowndwave76 wrote:Then why are Wheeljack and Jazz included? Past re-packs show Hastak favors having Wheeljack on pegs. Idk why. I also can't put reason as to why Jazz is included; imo it seems that mold has been used enough.
I would've picked Sideswipe, Bluestreak, or Red Alert since those were past exclusives.
But if these are made of all solid plastic, this set is just all the better.
sol magnus wrote:Sowndwave76 wrote:Then why are Wheeljack and Jazz included? Past re-packs show Hastak favors having Wheeljack on pegs. Idk why. I also can't put reason as to why Jazz is included; imo it seems that mold has been used enough.
I would've picked Sideswipe, Bluestreak, or Red Alert since those were past exclusives.
But if these are made of all solid plastic, this set is just all the better.
Solid plastic would be my guess, because otherwise (and maybe even still) I'd rather a non-dead Prowl be in that pack, although I know that's not how they think.
william-james88 wrote:There's been a lot of grief over Earth Mode Hound appearing in a multipack rather than an individual release but it turns out that he was originally cancelled. Similarly to when Walmart chose to back out on wanting toy deco voysger Hot Rod in their Velocitron line, Target backed out on wanting more individual deluxes in their Buzzworthy line.
So yes, the reason why you initially saw renders but then heard no news is because Hatchet and Hound were canceled. And since Hasbro already had all their other lines planned out, there was no place to release these toys. However, Hasbro has since found a way to bring us Hound (or at least this is what is assumed) in the upcoming Autobot multipack. So while Hatchet is still cancelled, the toy may resurface through another release.
Looking at this, while the multipack release may be annoying, this is a second resort and it's basically either that or no release. Also, the original Buzzworthy release would have of course been exclusive while this Gen Selects multipack is not said to be so yet (most Gen Selects releases have not been exclusive and can easily be bought from online retsilers). So you tell us which is your preferred option in light of these cancelled plans.
If you are curious as to why Target backed out, JTprime17 states that it's due to poor sales of the previous deluxes in the Buzzworthy line, which are currently being found at Ollie's and other liquidators. So if any fans were looking for proof as to the downside of hoping for clearance and liquidation finds, well the cancelation of these individual releases is a clear consequence.JTprime17 wrote:Target backed out due to poor sales of the first deluxe wave. It is what it is.
chuckdawg1999 wrote:What figures were in the first wave? I remember some figures selling better, like SS86 Cliffjumper and Kup, than others, blue Bluestreak comes to mind.
chuckdawg1999 wrote:What figures were in the first wave? I remember some figures selling better, like SS86 Cliffjumper and Kup, than others, blue Bluestreak comes to mind.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
The good 'ol eye test says it's blue Bluestreak's fault.Emerje wrote:Bounti76 wrote:Hound was canceled because of poor sales of the first wave of Deluxes? Yet we got Tow-Line and a Ratchet redeco after that? That doesn't quite make sense.
I feel like something didn't quite get conveyed right. Instead of first wave maybe they really meant previous wave?
This sounds like Target tripping over themselves more than anything. The Cliffjumper was very difficult to find and B127 seemed to move ok, at least. Kup sat around a bit, but at least anecdotally, he didn't sit around that long. This reeks of an internal distribution (or POG execution, timing, etc) kerfuffle that Target themselves misinterpreted.Nemesis Primal wrote:Looking at the posts made by JTPrime after that initial "wave 1 sold bad so Target backed out" comment: the wave 1 in question was the Cliffjumper/Kup/B-127 wave, specifically. Apparently the wave that was repacks of 3 Bees & Shatter had different enough Hasbro parent codes for that assortment compared to the CJ/Kup/Bee wave that both are internally considered Wave 1's completely independently of each other, and the Hatchet/Hound/"Bee 2" wave would have been Wave 2 for specifically the same assortment as CJ/Kup/Bee.
I don't mean this aggressively, but I really think people need to be more careful about using "shelf-warming" as a broad term that always applies for everyone; it truly depends on the area your in. Neither Origins Bee nor Origins Jazz "shelf-warmed" in my area... In fact, I've never seen Jazz at any of the three Targets I've regularly checked for TF.
I said this in the Selects thread; Both Sunstreaker and Trailbreaker are a part of this 5-pack because Hastak either knows via their own research, and/or has heard enough from consumers that these two figures were difficult to get ahold of. Then why are Wheeljack and Jazz included? Past re-packs show Hastak favors having Wheeljack on pegs. Idk why. I also can't put reason as to why Jazz is included; imo it seems that mold has been used enough.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I'm honestly more annoyed that the multipack is the only way they're putting out the badly-needed Sunstreaker and Trailbreaker reissues. And I'm really hoping that Sunny and Trailbreaker won't be like Happy Meal Cliffjumper from the Buzzworthy line.
Sowndwave76 wrote:Neither Origins Bee nor Origins Jazz "shelf-warmed" in my area... In fact, I've never seen Jazz at any of the three Targets I've regularly checked for TF.
Overcracker wrote:It's also quite mistifying how they manage to shoehorn Wheeljack everywhere, 3 different lines, and now the bundle here but Hound was seemingly impossible to slip into any line Did we really need yet another Wheeljack?
Till-all-R1 wrote:...
Also, as with Walmart also making a boneheaded move caused Cosmos to be severely under packed. So there is an issue with not quite understanding the contents, it's not like they're buying a case of toasters in that they know exactly what they're getting and how to market it.
AcademyofDrX wrote:Till-all-R1 wrote:...
Also, as with Walmart also making a boneheaded move caused Cosmos to be severely under packed. So there is an issue with not quite understanding the contents, it's not like they're buying a case of toasters in that they know exactly what they're getting and how to market it.
I don't think this is Walmart's fault or problem. They're not determining the case contents or distribution to begin with. Nor do they care, and why should they? They don't want to move 1/8th of the contents of the case, but the whole quantity.
Dunno if Mall-Wart has stopped squatting on VW straight-up Bee, though.Till-all-R1 wrote:Overcracker wrote:It's also quite mistifying how they manage to shoehorn Wheeljack everywhere, 3 different lines, and now the bundle here but Hound was seemingly impossible to slip into any line Did we really need yet another Wheeljack?
Especially since VW Bee is right there in need of a reissue over anyone else. IMO
Indeed. Like, say, Tap-Out or Glyph. Or Crosshairs. Or someone from Legacy who got scalper-hoovered, like Devcon, Shrapnel, or Bombshell. Even ER Hoist would be be better, just to give people who missed the original release a fresh window.Till-all-R1 wrote:I mean if they were struggling with candidates for a 5pack, I can think of a few better ones! lol
They better not be redone with opaque windows. If they are, then this pack is a complete write-off IMO.Till-all-R1 wrote:Both might be neat if redone with non clear windows
Yes. The retailers have more power than the manufacturers on this front - this is a hard fact of late-20th-century-onward retail. Mall Wart especially, given their ungodly huge market share. And also especially with exclusive lines.william-james88 wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:Till-all-R1 wrote:...
Also, as with Walmart also making a boneheaded move caused Cosmos to be severely under packed. So there is an issue with not quite understanding the contents, it's not like they're buying a case of toasters in that they know exactly what they're getting and how to market it.
I don't think this is Walmart's fault or problem. They're not determining the case contents or distribution to begin with. Nor do they care, and why should they? They don't want to move 1/8th of the contents of the case, but the whole quantity.
I read that Walmart did determine the case content. BMac had said that Hasbro will help Walmart and recommend product but at the end of the day, it's Walmart who determines and accepts what they sell.
That would make more sense than Hasbro purposefully making cosmos one per case.
william-james88 wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:Till-all-R1 wrote:...
Also, as with Walmart also making a boneheaded move caused Cosmos to be severely under packed. So there is an issue with not quite understanding the contents, it's not like they're buying a case of toasters in that they know exactly what they're getting and how to market it.
I don't think this is Walmart's fault or problem. They're not determining the case contents or distribution to begin with. Nor do they care, and why should they? They don't want to move 1/8th of the contents of the case, but the whole quantity.
I read that Walmart did determine the case content. BMac had said that Hasbro will help Walmart and recommend product but at the end of the day, it's Walmart who determines and accepts what they sell.
That would make more sense than Hasbro purposefully making cosmos one per case.
ScottyP wrote:This sounds like Target tripping over themselves more than anything. The Cliffjumper was very difficult to find and B127 seemed to move ok, at least. Kup sat around a bit, but at least anecdotally, he didn't sit around that long. This reeks of an internal distribution (or POG execution, timing, etc) kerfuffle that Target themselves misinterpreted.
AcademyofDrX wrote:william-james88 wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:Till-all-R1 wrote:...
Also, as with Walmart also making a boneheaded move caused Cosmos to be severely under packed. So there is an issue with not quite understanding the contents, it's not like they're buying a case of toasters in that they know exactly what they're getting and how to market it.
I don't think this is Walmart's fault or problem. They're not determining the case contents or distribution to begin with. Nor do they care, and why should they? They don't want to move 1/8th of the contents of the case, but the whole quantity.
I read that Walmart did determine the case content. BMac had said that Hasbro will help Walmart and recommend product but at the end of the day, it's Walmart who determines and accepts what they sell.
That would make more sense than Hasbro purposefully making cosmos one per case.
I'm having a hard time following the logic in how that would work. Does Hasbro have Walmart review a list during production or after the figures are developed? How did that wind up with a five-figure wave? What's the process for deciding when a figure should be mainline or exclusive to begin with? I've learned to accept the necessary evil that is retailer exclusives because I know that they help commit retailers to selling lines and given quantities. Beyond that, none of it has ever made much sense, including that anyone expects corporate buyers to pay attention to the finer points of fan demand when they're selling in bulk.
AcademyofDrX wrote:I'm having a hard time following the logic in how that would work. Does Hasbro have Walmart review a list during production or after the figures are developed? How did that wind up with a five-figure wave? What's the process for deciding when a figure should be mainline or exclusive to begin with? I've learned to accept the necessary evil that is retailer exclusives because I know that they help commit retailers to selling lines and given quantities. Beyond that, none of it has ever made much sense, including that anyone expects corporate buyers to pay attention to the finer points of fan demand when they're selling in bulk.
Till-all-R1 wrote:Now I don't rightly know what metric Walmart or Target uses to make those decision when it comes to Transformers, specifically when we're taking G2 repaints or some of the other oddities.
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