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[Burn]

If you're saying all these figures have to do articulation-wise is be better than G1, than yes, you're setting the bar too low.

Not saying that at all. That's just your interpretation. Maybe I'm a simple minded individual, someone not capable of truly appreciating engineering greatness and as such appreciate simple figures like this.

Or you know, whatever.

You're free to be sarcastic and snide, or you know, whatever, but my 'interpretation' is based on:

People harp and moan about the "lack of articulation" on the individual Constructicons ... ummm McFly ... they have MORE articulation than their original G1 incarnations.

Besides for just having a "pffffff" response, I'd be curious to know how my 'interpretation' is wrong.

Interpret it however you want, like I said, I'm simple minded, they're a step up from their original incarnations, that's fine by me. If that's me setting the bar low, well ... like I said, whatever, that's my prerogative.

I generally agree that it's too early to form cohesive opinions on the set barring in-hand evaluations. But you're taking that general sentiment to an extreme. Is it truly not valid to note the lack of arm articulation, which has been clear and apparent in all the pictures and materials distributed thus far? C'mon.

I look at the pictures and I see TWO figures with bad arm articulation.

Scrapper - To me this makes sense. His arms form the heel. They're a support beam, they need to be rigid. I firmly believe that at some stage during development they tried out elbows but found the weight of all those other bots made said elbows not strong enough to support the combined mode. Hence the rigid arms. If people are going to moan about that ... come on ... think about it.

Long Haul - I'll concede, no idea what's going on there, but I can only imagine like Scrapper, it's an intentional design purpose. You just can't really tell in combined mode.

The others look bloody well articulated TO ME. (And people can post all sorts of arguments you want but my opinion won't be shifting on that one)

To be clear, I'm not trying to change your opinions any. If they look good to you, great! I'm glad. Seriously. They look pretty awesome to me, too, and I look forward to getting them. But to me, the arm articulation for the Constructicons, who for all intents and purposes are ultra-sized, could be better.

Whether or not there's an engineering purpose will come out. But even so, that doesn't take away from the appearance of sub-par arm articulation - due to ball joints, Bonecrusher and Scavenger seem to be the only Constructicons with a wide range of arm motion.

We'll know soon enough.

I should add that there's the cost issue as well. They need to keep it at an affordable price point (though I doubt many parents will be rushing out and grabbing this set for Christmas, but hey, you never know) that also turns a profit.

[william-james88]

I don't think I will ever hear the end of that one.

No, no you won't. Check out my sig

[Arctorro]

I don't think I will ever hear the end of that one.

No, no you won't. Check out my sig

[shajaki]

I'll drop my feelings about CW Devy here..

Right off the bat, I have TFC Hercules whom I love and suits my needs almost perfectly. But this isn't a 3P versus Official debate, since I buy 96% of whats officially released whether I "need" it or not. Case and point: I have Intimidator but am still committed to Hasbro AND Takara's Menasor.

Devastator and the Constructicons he's composed of are very important to me. I'm willing to make certain concessions to accommodate an official Devastator even if it means he's a stand alone piece. Scrapper is my favorite, and when I saw Hasbro's I almost pooped myself.



His headsculpt is a thing of beauty. Very strong sculpting on the torso. But then his arms are strange, stubby, and awkward. And while his legs look decently supportive, the knee joints look barely connected like the rest of the Constructicons limbs.

So it was asked, who's buying this intending to display him un-combined? Well... I was. This doesn't mean I won't be buying HasTak's Devastator, it just means it will be with less vigor than some fans.

[OptimalOptimus2]

Looks like Devastator will be devastating store shelves this fall!

[DedicatedGhostArt]

[DedicatedGhostArt]

I know it may sound absurd, but I don't have any Masterpieces yet, because I have 2 younger brothers running around.

[william-james88]

Anyone tired of new Devastator pics yet? Ha, I thought not. Here's a quick pic from Weibo user starscream which gives more of an idea to how the forearms will attach to the figure and that they wont be hollow due to the transformation.

[Agamemnon]

Um...why is Devastator wearing an ascot?

[william-james88]

Um...why is Devastator wearing an ascot?

He's got to learn to be a good boy before being released to all the Western Masses

And man, looking at his pics, they could not have done a better job with the headsculpt, it is PERFECT!

[Tsutsukakushi]

I'll drop my feelings about CW Devy here..

Right off the bat, I have TFC Hercules whom I love and suits my needs almost perfectly. But this isn't a 3P versus Official debate, since I buy 96% of whats officially released whether I "need" it or not. Case and point: I have Intimidator but am still committed to Hasbro AND Takara's Menasor.

Devastator and the Constructicons he's composed of are very important to me. I'm willing to make certain concessions to accommodate an official Devastator even if it means he's a stand alone piece. Scrapper is my favorite, and when I saw Hasbro's I almost pooped myself.



His headsculpt is a thing of beauty. Very strong sculpting on the torso. But then his arms are strange, stubby, and awkward. And while his legs look decently supportive, the knee joints look barely connected like the rest of the Constructicons limbs.

So it was asked, who's buying this intending to display him un-combined? Well... I was. This doesn't mean I won't be buying HasTak's Devastator, it just means it will be with less vigor than some fans.

Think it's inevitable that a Third party will create replacement arms. With articulated elbows and wrist.

[LegendaryAntiHero]

I'll drop my feelings about CW Devy here..

Right off the bat, I have TFC Hercules whom I love and suits my needs almost perfectly. But this isn't a 3P versus Official debate, since I buy 96% of whats officially released whether I "need" it or not. Case and point: I have Intimidator but am still committed to Hasbro AND Takara's Menasor.

Devastator and the Constructicons he's composed of are very important to me. I'm willing to make certain concessions to accommodate an official Devastator even if it means he's a stand alone piece. Scrapper is my favorite, and when I saw Hasbro's I almost pooped myself.



His headsculpt is a thing of beauty. Very strong sculpting on the torso. But then his arms are strange, stubby, and awkward. And while his legs look decently supportive, the knee joints look barely connected like the rest of the Constructicons limbs.

So it was asked, who's buying this intending to display him un-combined? Well... I was. This doesn't mean I won't be buying HasTak's Devastator, it just means it will be with less vigor than some fans.

cool. The individual combiners look as good as the Hercules ones

[shajaki]

cool. The individual combiners look as good as the Hercules ones

Sarcasm? Cause that's kind of the opposite point I was making. I'm not even saying that Herc's individual bot modes are the be-all-end-all for Constructicons, but they're stronger than CW's Cons (and fits the C/G aesthetic to a T in my opinion).

[Arctorro]

cool. The individual combiners look as good as the Hercules ones

Sarcasm? Cause that's kind of the opposite point I was making. I'm not even saying that Herc's individual bot modes are the be-all-end-all for Constructicons, but they're stronger than CW's Cons (and fits the C/G aesthetic to a T in my opinion).

Herc is still fantastic, but there is plenty of room for someone to do better, it just hasn't happened yet.

I'm starting to think about getting this set again, but there are a number of things that have me waiting for reviews before making a decision.

[Flashwave]

Anyone tired of new Devastator pics yet? Ha, I thought not. Here's a quick pic from Weibo user starscream which gives more of an idea to how the forearms will attach to the figure and that they wont be hollow due to the transformation.

Cool... and dang.

I was hoping that Devy could use the forearms in their weapon modes. IE, missle launcher wrists. And while I am bummed that can't happen, using Scrapper's CHEST as a forearm is an awesome transformation.

As to the individuals: Personally, I think a few of those moes suck. I don't like Long Haul's bot mode, an Hook loooks like he might not have his truck parts down all the way. I find myself with Superion and Menasor staying in their modes, so I suspect that like them, I'll be keeping the Constructicons as Devastator, but I take my combiners apart quite a bit so some good indiviual modes would've been apreciated. Still, for the price, I can't wait to get him.

[prjkt]

cool. The individual combiners look as good as the Hercules ones

Sarcasm? Cause that's kind of the opposite point I was making. I'm not even saying that Herc's individual bot modes are the be-all-end-all for Constructicons, but they're stronger than CW's Cons (and fits the C/G aesthetic to a T in my opinion).

I kind of think Green Giant fits the classics-verse aesthetic more than Hercules, plus scales better with the "standard" CW Combiners,

but,

Still, for the price, I can't wait to get him.

like the man (I think?) said, I'm looking forward to the release of this behemoth.

[shajaki]

cool. The individual combiners look as good as the Hercules ones

Sarcasm? Cause that's kind of the opposite point I was making. I'm not even saying that Herc's individual bot modes are the be-all-end-all for Constructicons, but they're stronger than CW's Cons (and fits the C/G aesthetic to a T in my opinion).

I kind of think Green Giant fits the classics-verse aesthetic more than Hercules, plus scales better with the "standard" CW combiners.

To each his own of course. Personally GG has far too many sharp edges, and alt modes are looking too realistic to fit my vision of C/G. And along with my vision, all Scramble City combiners should be roughly the same height, Devastator slightly bigger, and Predaking slightly bigger than him. So it's almost like Hercules was made just for me

[LegendaryAntiHero]

cool. The individual combiners look as good as the Hercules ones

Sarcasm? Cause that's kind of the opposite point I was making. I'm not even saying that Herc's individual bot modes are the be-all-end-all for Constructicons, but they're stronger than CW's Cons (and fits the C/G aesthetic to a T in my opinion).

I kind of think Green Giant fits the classics-verse aesthetic more than Hercules, plus scales better with the "standard" CW combiners.

To each his own of course. Personally GG has far too many sharp edges, and alt modes are looking too realistic to fit my vision of C/G. And along with my vision, all Scramble City combiners should be roughly the same height, Devastator slightly bigger, and Predaking slightly bigger than him. So it's almost like Hercules was made just for me

OK. Now that I look closer at it, I can see the stubby arms

[phantom1592]

OK. Now that I look closer at it, I can see the stubby arms

You think?

Looks to me like his wrists hit about the waist area with the hands going to the thighs... That's about average anatomy.

I thin the way those shoulders/biceps are MASSIVE wheels throws the prespective off. Lengthwise looks about right...

[Va'al]

Courtesy of the Planet Iacon Facebook page, we have our first look at an additional San Diego Comic con Hasbro Transformers exclusive, in addition to the Kre-O story we posted yesterday. Feast your eyes below on the big, green, lean, shinin' machine that is SDCC/STGCC Generations Devastator. Taste the purple chrome, and the gigantic box. What do you think, a definite improvement, or unnecessary premium? Let us know your thoughts in the Energon Pub!

[SW's SilverHammer]

As horrible as it sounds, I don't thin G2 colours would've suited the mold. And at least they didn't pull an FoC bruticus where the only good domestic colour scheme was available through a convention exclusive for a while. In short:

[King Kuuga]

I'm not too keen on the purple chrome, but I love the additional paint apps or decals that this version has compared to the regular release. Overall it looks great!

[Wolfman Jake]

Looks like SDCC Devastator got the Hasbro Leader Jetfire treatment. Chrome that isn't needed and that no one asked for. I will not be heartbroken if I miss out on this set. What I REALLY want to know at this point is what Takara's paint scheme will be for United Warriors Devastator. Then I'll know which version in which to invest. I'm kind of hoping Takara focuses on a perfectly screen accurate colored gestalt mode for Devastator, then I can also get the Hasbro version (whether retail or SDCC) for a second set to display the individual Constructicons in bot mode. The Hasbro versions already seem to have fairly screen accurate decos for the bot modes (give or take a few embellishments from the original toys or compromises for the sake of the vehicle or limb modes), but Devastator's gestalt color layout suffers a bit for it.

[G1OPT1MU5PR1M3]

The box is awesome, but the pics I've seen of them together and separate aren't good sellers for me, even looking at long haul alone is a horrible figure. Now I do like the height of this devastator,but everything else I don't like, so im gonna stick with my green giant 3rd party.
It sucks because I wanna like this, but i cant

[SKYWARPED_128]

I'll drop my feelings about CW Devy here..

Right off the bat, I have TFC Hercules whom I love and suits my needs almost perfectly. But this isn't a 3P versus Official debate, since I buy 96% of whats officially released whether I "need" it or not. Case and point: I have Intimidator but am still committed to Hasbro AND Takara's Menasor.

Devastator and the Constructicons he's composed of are very important to me. I'm willing to make certain concessions to accommodate an official Devastator even if it means he's a stand alone piece. Scrapper is my favorite, and when I saw Hasbro's I almost pooped myself.

His headsculpt is a thing of beauty. Very strong sculpting on the torso. But then his arms are strange, stubby, and awkward. And while his legs look decently supportive, the knee joints look barely connected like the rest of the Constructicons limbs.

So it was asked, who's buying this intending to display him un-combined? Well... I was. This doesn't mean I won't be buying HasTak's Devastator, it just means it will be with less vigor than some fans.

Think it's inevitable that a Third party will create replacement arms. With articulated elbows and wrist.

If they do, they'll have to make them either extra tight or ratcheted.

I suspect one of the reasons the designers made the arms non-articulated is to provide stability in gestalt mode. Since CW Devastator's overall design follows the G1 toy, those arms are supposed to be his "ankles", meaning they have to be strong enough to support half of Devastator's total weight.