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[-Kanrabat-]

What angers me the most is that they insist on insulting children's intelligence by thinking they won't care that their toy looks and feels bad, not only is the gimmick weak in both ambition and execution, but it also is completely barren of any paint from the waist down. It's like this was a knockoff.
How can Shockwave be so food and Starscream so pathetic IN THE SAME LINE?

I'd eat up that Shockwave.

[Sabrblade]

What angers me the most is that they insist on insulting children's intelligence by thinking they won't care that their toy looks and feels bad, not only is the gimmick weak in both ambition and execution, but it also is completely barren of any paint from the waist down. It's like this was a knockoff.
How can Shockwave be so food and Starscream so pathetic IN THE SAME LINE?

I'd eat up that Shockwave.

Such a grape looking figure, ain't he?

[-Kanrabat-]

I hate this toy that wasn't made for me. I know they make other toys for me, but that isn't enough. They should stop making toys that aren't for me and only make toys for me.

HAHA!

That's one awesome first post!

[william-james88]

You were in awe with the jumpstarters?

HA! I was actually going to respond the exact same line.

You took my comment out of context!
You should know better than try to be smart with me
Where you a kid back then?, no?
Then don't judge!
I was referring the cars like jazz and bluestreak the seekers even shockwave and soundwave, yes they had simple transformations and little to no articulation but the detail was there
I don't see that with the current tv show toys

Also doesn't help that what came out back in the 80s was pretty new, innovating, and revolutionary back then. After 30+ years, what was new and awe-inspiring to kids back then isn't so much anymore to us cynical adults of today.

Exactly!

Yeah, so, to put it another way, if we had somehow never gotten the G1 stuff back in the 1980s, but did still get everything post-G1 (let's pretend for this hypothetical scenario that the Transformers began with, say, the latter G2 stuff in 1994 or 1995 instead), if we were to instead get the G1 stuff, for the first time ever, in this day and age, the 1980s engineering of those toys wouldn't be as impressive after all the other more advanced stuff that had come before. At most, it would be seen as a sort of novelty of quaintness, which the non-Warrior class toys of this line can best be described as. The 1980s were the right time and place for the G1 stuff to come out, and with the non-Warriors of this line evoking that level of gimmickry and simplicity, they feel more like product of the 1980s' time than of today. A 30+ year regression in Transformers toy engineering.

That's what Hasbro did with Star Wars, why not do it with TFs too

[Ultra Markus]

You were in awe with the jumpstarters?

HA! I was actually going to respond the exact same line.

You took my comment out of context!
You should know better than try to be smart with me
Where you a kid back then?, no?
Then don't judge!
I was referring the cars like jazz and bluestreak the seekers even shockwave and soundwave, yes they had simple transformations and little to no articulation but the detail was there
I don't see that with the current tv show toys

Also doesn't help that what came out back in the 80s was pretty new, innovating, and revolutionary back then. After 30+ years, what was new and awe-inspiring to kids back then isn't so much anymore to us cynical adults of today.

Exactly!

Yeah, so, to put it another way, if we had somehow never gotten the G1 stuff back in the 1980s, but did still get everything post-G1 (let's pretend for this hypothetical scenario that the Transformers began with, say, the latter G2 stuff in 1994 or 1995 instead), if we were to instead get the G1 stuff, for the first time ever, in this day and age, the 1980s engineering of those toys wouldn't be as impressive after all the other more advanced stuff that had come before. At most, it would be seen as a sort of novelty of quaintness, which the non-Warrior class toys of this line can best be described as. The 1980s were the right time and place for the G1 stuff to come out, and with the non-Warriors of this line evoking that level of gimmickry and simplicity, they feel more like product of the 1980s' time than of today. A 30+ year regression in Transformers toy engineering.

but to say the least though when i was a kid back then it was new i never had anything like it, i thought it was the coolest thing ever, a car turning into a robot and all the diecast and chrome detail goodness that came with it the rubber tires and the fact they didnt feel hollow and cheap
and all the generations of main line TF's that came after didnt have that cheapness feel to it
untill the 2015 RID line and now Cyberverse which looks worse! kids deserve better from hasbro and takara
if i was 10 again i think i would be more into the movie lines than anything
everything else beside the generations and masterpiece would feel like Fisher Price baby toys

[Chibi Starscream]

Tbh I don't see the big point in tgis toyline. There have been massive complaints and already bad reviews of the toys, but Hasbro might not even care about that, or the fact that more than half of TF fans are adults that collect toys and buy good figures in bulk...nope....just want to make poopy pieces of plastic that even kids won't enjoy much. I mean...Starscream might as well be a Happy Meal toy. That's what he looks like to me. Shockwave is less horrible, but his weapon gimmick is also weird. Would be better if tge "missiles" shot out, if that's even what they are. Also...the cartoon won't even be a full 30 minute cartoon on normal TV...so most kids won't even watch it. Why make that at all? What is going wrong with Hasbro?

[ZeroWolf]

Most kids are already used to 10 min episode format as that's what teen titans go uses, adventure time, regular show, amazing world of gumball, the new Ben ten, whatever the new thundercats cartoon is...Cyberverse is formatted the way it is because it's what's popular currently with kids. These toys will probably sell well with the kids and parents who solely buy for kids. None of us here are capable of seeing things as a child anymore, try as we might because we weren't brought up in the same world as kids of today (for better or worse). Can anyone of us say we knew how to fully use YouTube at two year old?

[-Kanrabat-]

Kids just have enough attention span for 10 minutes cartoons... Not to sound like an old man, but DAMN, this generation suck.

(The new generation suck no matter what. It's a rule!)

[ZeroWolf]

Kids just have enough attention span for 10 minutes cartoons... Not to sound like an old man, but DAMN, this generation suck.

(The new generation suck no matter what. It's a rule!)

To be fair, that's what the previous generation said about us

[Chibi Starscream]

Most kids are already used to 10 min episode format as that's what teen titans go uses, adventure time, regular show, amazing world of gumball, the new Ben ten, whatever the new thundercats cartoon is...Cyberverse is formatted the way it is because it's what's popular currently with kids. These toys will probably sell well with the kids and parents who solely buy for kids. None of us here are capable of seeing things as a child anymore, try as we might because we weren't brought up in the same world as kids of today (for better or worse). Can anyone of us say we knew how to fully use YouTube at two year old?

I've watched Gumball, Regular Show, and Adventure Time, and I swore they were on longer? Or maybe that's because they put on another episode after? In any case, I see your point. It seems like the new generation is regressing though imo. I don't have a kid of my own yet, but when I do have one, I want to take time for them to teach them many things and hopefully how to enjoy playing with toys and going outside to play.

[Sabrblade]

Eh, 11-minute episodes has been the format for a gajillion cartoons since practically forever. It's only the action cartoon genre that's really avoided it that much until recently.

[william-james88]

I've watched Gumball, Regular Show, and Adventure Time, and I swore they were on longer? Or maybe that's because they put on another episode after?

Yes, they do that sometimes, but they could do it with this show too. Or pair it with another 10 minute show.

But that should by no means be relevant in a toyline selling well or not. DC Super hero girls is a 5 minute show on Youtube and that is backing up an entire toyline that is selling fine (plus Legos, and books all based on that 5 min show).

And Justice League Action is also 10 minutes long.

Its just a new trend and it doesnt seem to be doing poorly.

[william-james88]

Eh, 11-minute episodes has been the format for a gajillion cartoons since practically forever. It's only the action cartoon genre that's really avoided it that much until recently.

I dont remember it being around in the 90s and early 00's

[Chibi Starscream]

I've watched Gumball, Regular Show, and Adventure Time, and I swore they were on longer? Or maybe that's because they put on another episode after?

Yes, they do that sometimes, but they could do it with this show too. Or pair it with another 10 minute show.

But that should by no means be relevant in a toyline selling well or not. DC Super hero girls is a 5 minute show on Youtube and that is backing up an entire toyline that is selling fine (plus Legos, and books all based on that 5 min show).

And Justice League Action is also 10 minutes long.

Its just a new trend and it doesnt seem to be doing poorly.

I see...okie dokie then. I guess we just wait and see what happens. If it works, great. If it doesn't, who knows what will happen.

[william-james88]

I've watched Gumball, Regular Show, and Adventure Time, and I swore they were on longer? Or maybe that's because they put on another episode after?

Yes, they do that sometimes, but they could do it with this show too. Or pair it with another 10 minute show.

But that should by no means be relevant in a toyline selling well or not. DC Super hero girls is a 5 minute show on Youtube and that is backing up an entire toyline that is selling fine (plus Legos, and books all based on that 5 min show).

And Justice League Action is also 10 minutes long.

Its just a new trend and it doesnt seem to be doing poorly.

I see...okie dokie then. I guess we just wait and see what happens. If it works, great. If it doesn't, who knows what will happen.

If it doesnt, they will just try again with another line.

[Chibi Starscream]

I've watched Gumball, Regular Show, and Adventure Time, and I swore they were on longer? Or maybe that's because they put on another episode after?

Yes, they do that sometimes, but they could do it with this show too. Or pair it with another 10 minute show.

But that should by no means be relevant in a toyline selling well or not. DC Super hero girls is a 5 minute show on Youtube and that is backing up an entire toyline that is selling fine (plus Legos, and books all based on that 5 min show).

And Justice League Action is also 10 minutes long.

Its just a new trend and it doesnt seem to be doing poorly.

I see...okie dokie then. I guess we just wait and see what happens. If it works, great. If it doesn't, who knows what will happen.

If it doesnt, they will just try again with another line.

Yah. Well, for us, I hope they keep making Generations lines and MPs.

[ZeroWolf]

Can't see either of those lines stopping.

[Sabrblade]

Eh, 11-minute episodes has been the format for a gajillion cartoons since practically forever. It's only the action cartoon genre that's really avoided it that much until recently.

I dont remember it being around in the 90s and early 00's

Almost every Nicktoon ever made back then and nearly all the Cartoon Cartoons used it.

Doug, Rugrats, Ren & Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, Aaahh!!! Real Monsters, Hey Arnold!, CatDog (this one even had some filler eps of even shorter length!), Rocket Power, The Fairly OddParents, Invader Zim, Jimmy Neutron, My Life as a Teenage Robot, Cow and Chicken, The Powerpuff Girls, Ed, Edd, n' Eddy, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Time Squad, The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Whatever Happened to... Robot Jones?, Codename: Kids Next Door, Camp Lazlo, and My Gym Partner's a Monkey, to name a handful.

Plus, some others from back then had segments of even shorter length, such as ChalkZone, Dexter's Laboratory, Johhny Bravo, Grim & Evil, Evil Con Carne, and Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi all having three- or four-segment episodes instead of two-segment episodes like those listed above.

[bacem]

Running 3 or 4 different lines at the same time is totally %&$#!$ stupid! They need to drop this baby crap that doesn't sell & just concentrate on Generations.

That assumes Generations toys sell well. The truckloads of unsold wave 1 Rodimus Prime toys at my Walmart says otherwise.

From my experience in shopping in store primarily for my collecting rather than online, Generations suffers from:
1) Not having a serie or movies kids are into.
2) Parents thinking buying the cheaper, dumber figure is better because 'kids are stupid'.
You have no idea how often I saw a kid wanting to buy either a Generations, TLK or Studio Series figure only for the dumb parent to snatch it out of their hands, check how many steps it has and put it back on the peg and shove a one-step changer onto the kid who eventually cave in. Parents aren't inclined to buy the more complex figures which have been a mainstay of Transformers because they think it's 'too complicated' for their child.

Even if the line was just decent/'normal' figures I suspect that Generations would still suffer because it's done in a style and with characters many kids don't know. By that I mean the young kids, under 8-9 aka the only demographic that still buy toys beside us manchildren. Anything older is into video games or watching dumbass youtubers.

regarding the parent thing, it is not that they think their kids is stupid. It is because the one that will transform it is them, not the kids. Back on our childhood, we try to figure it out ourselves. Kids thesw days don't bother. They would go swooshing the vehicle mode, and then immediately give it to their parent to transform it while they wait with their gadget, play with the robot a bit, then ask the parents to transform it back, which after a while becomes annoying for parents.

[william-james88]

Eh, 11-minute episodes has been the format for a gajillion cartoons since practically forever. It's only the action cartoon genre that's really avoided it that much until recently.

I dont remember it being around in the 90s and early 00's

Almost every Nicktoon ever made back then and nearly all the Cartoon Cartoons used it.

Doug, Rugrats, Ren & Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, Aaahh!!! Real Monsters, Hey Arnold!, CatDog (this one even had some filler eps of even shorter length!), Rocket Power, The Fairly OddParents, Invader Zim, Jimmy Neutron, My Life as a Teenage Robot, Cow and Chicken, The Powerpuff Girls, Ed, Edd, n' Eddy, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Time Squad, The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Whatever Happened to... Robot Jones?, Codename: Kids Next Door, Camp Lazlo, and My Gym Partner's a Monkey, to name a handful.

Plus, some others from back then had segments of even shorter length, such as ChalkZone, Dexter's Laboratory, Johhny Bravo, Grim & Evil, Evil Con Carne, and Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi all having three- or four-segment episodes instead of two-segment episodes like those listed above.

Ok I see where the confusion lies. You are talking segments, I was talking episode length. I do consider them to be different. Like the Looney tunes or animaniacs, they had segments but it was still a 22 minute show.

With Gumball, for instance, if I look up a particular episode, I will get a 10 minute episode. But with Doug, for example, if i look up an episode I get the full 22 minute one (I thnk?).

Now, how does this actually make a difference or matter? Beats me.

[Chibi Starscream]

And I remember how my parents said I was lazy. This generation of kids is a whole new level of lazy.

[william-james88]

As a parent, I think my kid is stupid. Why? Because she likes the Last Jedi. Dumb 3 year old, Luke catching a fish is not that cool!!!!

[Sabrblade]

Eh, 11-minute episodes has been the format for a gajillion cartoons since practically forever. It's only the action cartoon genre that's really avoided it that much until recently.

I dont remember it being around in the 90s and early 00's

Almost every Nicktoon ever made back then and nearly all the Cartoon Cartoons used it.

Doug, Rugrats, Ren & Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, Aaahh!!! Real Monsters, Hey Arnold!, CatDog (this one even had some filler eps of even shorter length!), Rocket Power, The Fairly OddParents, Invader Zim, Jimmy Neutron, My Life as a Teenage Robot, Cow and Chicken, The Powerpuff Girls, Ed, Edd, n' Eddy, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Time Squad, The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Whatever Happened to... Robot Jones?, Codename: Kids Next Door, Camp Lazlo, and My Gym Partner's a Monkey, to name a handful.

Plus, some others from back then had segments of even shorter length, such as ChalkZone, Dexter's Laboratory, Johhny Bravo, Grim & Evil, Evil Con Carne, and Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi all having three- or four-segment episodes instead of two-segment episodes like those listed above.

Ok I see where the confusion lies. You are talking segments, I was talking episode length. I do consider them to be different. Like the Looney tunes or animaniacs, they had segments but it was still a 22 minute show.

With Gumball, for instance, if I look up a particular episode, I will get a 10 minute episode. But with Doug, for example, if i look up an episode I get the full 22 minute one (I thnk?).

Now, how does this actually make a difference or matter? Beats me.

Okay, yeah, the format of showing them in singles instead of in doubles (to fill the full 22-minute airing slot) is a newer development, yeah. One that's kinda bizarre since wouldn't that theoretically throw the airing schedule out of whack for other shows that aren't 11 minutes long? Just one of the many things I continue to question about the Cartoon Network of today.

[william-james88]

Okay, yeah, the format of showing them in singles instead of in doubles (to fill the full 22-minute airing slot) is a newer development, yeah. One that's kinda bizarre since wouldn't that theoretically throw the airing schedule out of whack for other shows that aren't 11 minutes long? Just one of the many things I continue to question about the Cartoon Network of today.

Yeah thats what Chibi Starscream was eferring to and I as well. But I think with so many shows doing this, it comes out to the same, you just pair up 2 10 minute shows.

[Sabrblade]

Okay, yeah, the format of showing them in singles instead of in doubles (to fill the full 22-minute airing slot) is a newer development, yeah. One that's kinda bizarre since wouldn't that theoretically throw the airing schedule out of whack for other shows that aren't 11 minutes long? Just one of the many things I continue to question about the Cartoon Network of today.

Yeah thats what Chibi Starscream was eferring to and I as well. But I think with so many shows doing this, it comes out to the same, you just pair up 2 10 minute shows.

In that case, pairing up two eps isn't all that different from the previous format of two-segmented episodes filling the same 22-minute slot, right?