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Jelze Bunnycat wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:I'm all for LGBT representation in media. But when they did sexually explicit shows for toddlers as if it's the most normal thing in the world, that's when the straw that broke the camel's back for many.
Define "Sexually Explicit"
Burn wrote:Seems to me a lot of this "outrage" is from people who are too **** lazy to do their own **** parenting and rely on the TV as a babysitter then get upset when the babysitter doesn't share their morals.
-Kanrabat- wrote:Jelze Bunnycat wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:I'm all for LGBT representation in media. But when they did sexually explicit shows for toddlers as if it's the most normal thing in the world, that's when the straw that broke the camel's back for many.
Define "Sexually Explicit"
Do you really want to know?
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Jelze Bunnycat wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:I'm all for LGBT representation in media. But when they did sexually explicit shows for toddlers as if it's the most normal thing in the world, that's when the straw that broke the camel's back for many.
Define "Sexually Explicit"
Do you really want to know?
Just so we're on the same page, and it seems we are. I'm just wondering what the shows in the question areO wait... If they're "reality shows", dude, stay away from them!
-Kanrabat- wrote:LIVE shows. Not on TV but in clubs or even schools. The videos are from people who filmed them with their smartphones. Then those videos spread around and woke up many people to what's going on behind closed doors.
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:LIVE shows. Not on TV but in clubs or even schools. The videos are from people who filmed them with their smartphones. Then those videos spread around and woke up many people to what's going on behind closed doors.
Wow... and I thought beauty pageants for toddlers were bad. But pinning this solely on the performers (who should have known better)? NO, I'd be aiming my arrows at everyone involved no matter who they are or whatever supposed social status they may have. Heads WILL roll.
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Wow... and I thought beauty pageants for toddlers were bad.
Burn wrote:Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Wow... and I thought beauty pageants for toddlers were bad.
They are. They blatantly sexualise toddlers all the way up to adulthood but not one seems to get outraged over them like they do pronouns.
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Still, I wouldn't consider this particular instance in Earthspark part of it all as that would be unwarranted bias through unfair correlation. Where was she when Buzz Lightyear ran in theaters?
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:To put this thread back on track, would I show that particular Earthspark clip to children? I would, but to 6 and older only (in the Netherlands we have a MG-6 rating, which means "For Children 6 and up, Parents advised to watch with" kinda like your TV-PG or even TV-Y7).
DeathReviews wrote:Slashercon wrote::roll: Major Rant incoming (Since We decided we had to make a news article that clearly talks about politics, don't be surprised that I talk about politics. )
You know, I generally watch/play/read media to ESCAPE the real-world/overly political side of things. I watched up to maybe episode 4 of Earthspark (a show which I wasn't entirely enjoying to be honest) before I said I'd take a break. Found out a while later that Nightshade fell into the political vat, and I decided the show wasn't worth my time. It doesn't matter how you try to spin it in the show about how it "makes sense", because it's the year 2023, and I know the real-world reason why it's being done. Of course adding identity- politics into a show which, let's be honest, the target demographic being children, I find to be underhanded. It's not just Transformers either; many cartoons, comics, games, movies, etc. of ESTABLISHED IPS have more or less been up-ended for "modern" audiences, and said IPs (and the fans that made them what they are) are the ones that suffer in quality and/or revenue. I sure most will see it as innocent and don't see the harm in a sentient robot referring to himself as "they" (even though grammatically it's disingenuous), but it more or less tells kids that this type of behavior is acceptable. I know a lot of parents who are just tired of having identity politics entrenched in their kids' entertainment (even education), and even adults who steer clear of media with it now.
In the end, all I'll say, is keep identity-politics out of entertainment.
Also, I would respectfully request that we refrain from bringing up topics like this again in the future, since I know people on both sides can be very "passionate" about their views, and civil discussions aren't always on the minds of most who wander on the forums.
Months ago, the promo articles had the show writers/producers saying that the purpose of Earthspark was 'to re-define what it meant to be a family'. That was when I suspected it was going to be sub-par, because they were investing their energy into a desire to participate in social restructuring, rather than on quality storytelling.
I'm sure it's not a bad series. But it hasn't been a quantum leap of awesomeness. There was never any huge groundswell from fans of the Transformers franchise, begging Hollywood to use the brand as a puppet to 'redefine the family', or to re-invent grammar so that pronouns would be subject to individual interpretation. Hollywood made a conscious decision to use this show to influence these issues (however gently) by telling viewers what they should want, instead of giving audiences what they actually want. And viewers will eventually show resentment for that kind of presumption, in the form of lower ratings and sales.
We can probably check how the French, Spanish, Italian, etc. dubs handled Nightshade if someone here who has Paramount+ could simply switch the audio from English to one of those languages if they are on there.-Kanrabat- wrote:I forgot mentioning the real reason why the "they/they" pronoms nag ME so much. No matter where it's used.
I'm from a latin language people. My native language is FRENCH.
In French, like for Espanyol or Italian, or any other latin language, EVERYTHING IS GENDERED.
I mean, literally everything. A table is female, the sun is male, a TV is either male or female depending how you call it, and so on. Even concepts like "it is hot" are male or female like "il fait chaud" (male-pronoun is hot.)
The only way a "they/they" could be translated into French would be by either the MALE pronoun "il", as in the general "he" to designate anything by default, or the very unnatural sounding and truly dehumanising "ça" or "it". If that robot call himself "it", well, it just consider itself like a soulless object.
I wonder how the show creators handled that "they/they" conundrum for the French, Espanyol, Italian, and so on versions?![]()
Oh, by the way, that whole LATINX thing... Never, ever use it outside of a college campus. For your own safety.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Dr. Caelus wrote:But somehow that is sexualizing children.
-Kanrabat- wrote:But it's very confusing to them (or anyone for that matter).
Cliff Jumper wrote: It is disgusting, because it is a lie. I care about the truth. The truth is there are two sexes and no such thing as gender outside of linguistics.
-Kanrabat- wrote:Also, I wonder. Can you tell me WHAT IS A WOMAN?
Are you smarter/braver than these politicians?
Burn wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:But it's very confusing to them (or anyone for that matter).
Again, parenting. Cartoons are not the ideal choice for babysitting or educating. Sit with the kids, watch it with them, and if they have any questions, answer them. Parents should brainwash/indoctrinate kids into their own brand of hate themselves.
william-james88 wrote:Burn wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:But it's very confusing to them (or anyone for that matter).
Again, parenting. Cartoons are not the ideal choice for babysitting or educating. Sit with the kids, watch it with them, and if they have any questions, answer them. Parents should brainwash/indoctrinate kids into their own brand of hate themselves.
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Want to hear a funny one, Burn? My 5 year old son tells me the other day: "Dad, you like Transformers and Batman, wow that's the same things I like!"
Ah yes, like how I came to love the Frozen soundtrack from hearing it on a continuous loop at my Toys'R'Us, because Stockholm's close to Arendelle and...oh, right, my case isn't the exact same thing.Burn wrote:william-james88 wrote:Burn wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:But it's very confusing to them (or anyone for that matter).
Again, parenting. Cartoons are not the ideal choice for babysitting or educating. Sit with the kids, watch it with them, and if they have any questions, answer them. Parents should brainwash/indoctrinate kids into their own brand of hate themselves.
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Want to hear a funny one, Burn? My 5 year old son tells me the other day: "Dad, you like Transformers and Batman, wow that's the same things I like!"
Not surprising. They're around you, they're going to pick up your likes and dislikes and then some of their own.
It's almost like Stockholm Syndrome ...
Burn wrote:william-james88 wrote:Burn wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:But it's very confusing to them (or anyone for that matter).
Again, parenting. Cartoons are not the ideal choice for babysitting or educating. Sit with the kids, watch it with them, and if they have any questions, answer them. Parents should brainwash/indoctrinate kids into their own brand of hate themselves.
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Want to hear a funny one, Burn? My 5 year old son tells me the other day: "Dad, you like Transformers and Batman, wow that's the same things I like!"
Not surprising. They're around you, they're going to pick up your likes and dislikes and then some of their own.
It's almost like Stockholm Syndrome ...
william-james88 wrote:TFfan1 wrote:[quote="william-james88"
I did not say what I am personally for or against at all, and you do not know me, you do not know what kind of relationship I am in, so please do not put words in my mouth. If I wrote something in a way that you feel was disrespectful, please know that english is my second language, I meant no ill will towards anyone.
My goal was to answer someone who was using "parent's choice" as a factor in the argument currently going on, and gave examples to illustrate the paradigm shift. Nothing more, nothing less. I never gave my own opinion on the matter. Parent's choice to let their kids know about these topics is not an argument in this scenario since it does not exist. As you stated, these people exist, and kids will know of their existence despite whatever their parents want them to know or not know.
If you want to know my personal opinion, you can reach out to me via private message as I feel that is the better spot for that.
Regarding this show itself, I have no issue with it. I just want good transformers toys of these characters. I do find it interesting though that it took a media presence to increase the level of interaction on this specific topic, when it's a transformers site and the episode has been around for months. I get that people over 60 are just talking about this now, but why wasn't this discussion happening months ago here?
Bumblevivisector wrote:FWIW, your comments sort of dug a nihilistic trench that might serve as a firebreak, so it'll be interesting to see if this thread doesn't go all the way to hell. Thanks C.B.
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