The Energon Pub

[Whifflefire]

I'm a bit late replying to this, hope it's still okay...

Why are we getting so many reuses of molds? I was okay with it for a long time, but (Correct me if I'm wrong) Skylynx is the only new mold for the fifteen CW figures coming out this year! (Sky reign, Computron, Liokaiser) What happened to the days when each character got his own toy?

Well Skyreign, computron and liokaiser are not the only CW figures coming out this year. There is also Victorion, G2 Superion, G2 Menasor and G2 Bruticus. So a total of 35 limbs and torsos. And of those the completely new molds for Hasbro are:

Skylynx
Afterburner (that mold was never released by hasbro so far)

But that is just for the completely news ones. Hasbro does count Bruticus as 2016 and he had a new mold. And we dont know how many are retools out of these.

Forgot about Victorion and the G2 sets . Afterburner, though new to us, is still a retool, and I was going to count Brawl, but He's been released some places already hasn't he? Online at least. But even then, of 35 figures, only three of them new molds... Now, I'm certainly not getting every one, but I still find it weird. I understand the retooling helps with cost and all that, but couldn't there be at least a couple new molds between Liokaiser, and Computron, and Victorion? Like, one each?
I'm still thrilled we're getting these figures, and I do get them for the characters, but I don't think there's been one mold (save the new molds) that hasn't been used at least five times.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

and now what will takara's take on these set of combiner limbs will be like

Oh man, I wish we'd know soon but we wont know for a long time. They JUST released the first silhouette teas of Bruticus. Gonna be a long wait.

And there's no guarantee TT will even release those limbs. As far as they're concerned, they're simply another set of redecos and retools that would be hard to push, with Wheeljack as the only reshell (with the possibility they'll use him for Lightspeed).

No, TakaraTomy will probably go their nostalgia route and pick the Liokaiser one over Sky Reign as their use for Sky Lynx.

[Hellscream9999]

and now what will takara's take on these set of combiner limbs will be like

Oh man, I wish we'd know soon but we wont know for a long time. They JUST released the first silhouette teas of Bruticus. Gonna be a long wait.

And there's no guarantee TT will even release those limbs. As far as they're concerned, they're simply another set of redecos and retools that would be hard to push, with Wheeljack as the only reshell (with the possibility they'll use him for Lightspeed).

No, TakaraTomy will probably go their nostalgia route and pick the Liokaiser one over Sky Reign as their use for Sky Lynx.

Why? They did o/p max and those had much less re-tooling than the new set; I imagine that they'll use them in some manner a'la Grand Glavatronus

[Jelze Bunnycat]

and now what will takara's take on these set of combiner limbs will be like

Oh man, I wish we'd know soon but we wont know for a long time. They JUST released the first silhouette teas of Bruticus. Gonna be a long wait.

And there's no guarantee TT will even release those limbs. As far as they're concerned, they're simply another set of redecos and retools that would be hard to push, with Wheeljack as the only reshell (with the possibility they'll use him for Lightspeed).

No, TakaraTomy will probably go their nostalgia route and pick the Liokaiser one over Sky Reign as their use for Sky Lynx.

Why? They did o/p max and those had much less re-tooling than the new set; I imagine that they'll use them in some manner a'la Grand Glavatronus

TT isn't the one to release retool after retool, unlike Hasbro. Look at how many Generations retools they've been skipping. Besides, Liokaiser would be a much more promising gamble than another group of Autobots would be.

[Hellscream9999]

and now what will takara's take on these set of combiner limbs will be like

Oh man, I wish we'd know soon but we wont know for a long time. They JUST released the first silhouette teas of Bruticus. Gonna be a long wait.

And there's no guarantee TT will even release those limbs. As far as they're concerned, they're simply another set of redecos and retools that would be hard to push, with Wheeljack as the only reshell (with the possibility they'll use him for Lightspeed).

No, TakaraTomy will probably go their nostalgia route and pick the Liokaiser one over Sky Reign as their use for Sky Lynx.

Why? They did o/p max and those had much less re-tooling than the new set; I imagine that they'll use them in some manner a'la Grand Glavatronus

TT isn't the one to release retool after retool, unlike Hasbro. Look at how many Generations retools they've been skipping. Besides, Liokaiser would be a much more promising gamble than another group of Autobots would be.

My point being, that they do this - or so I'm told by various people who know things - to give the Japanese public the ability to get as many releases of the molds as they can so they don't have to import the hasbro ones; wasn't that the entire purpose for grand galvatronus - and even o/p max to an extent since they aren't 'G1' like the rest of the UW line...

I mean, you say they don't release retool after retool, but they did that with offroad/ironhide, streetwise/prowl, aerielbots from galvy...surely then, with a set of retools featuring much more retooling (trailbreakers new hand/foot, cannon arm, Hound, Wheeljack - completely redesigned) they would release them... Perhaps not as hasbro has (swap wheeljack for exhaust, etc.) but in some manner...

And besides, isn't liokaiser just actual repaints, and computron, they'd be getting their second use of the bigroove mold, so there's that...

[Mindmaster]

and now what will takara's take on these set of combiner limbs will be like

Oh man, I wish we'd know soon but we wont know for a long time. They JUST released the first silhouette teas of Bruticus. Gonna be a long wait.

And there's no guarantee TT will even release those limbs. As far as they're concerned, they're simply another set of redecos and retools that would be hard to push, with Wheeljack as the only reshell (with the possibility they'll use him for Lightspeed).

No, TakaraTomy will probably go their nostalgia route and pick the Liokaiser one over Sky Reign as their use for Sky Lynx.

Why? They did o/p max and those had much less re-tooling than the new set; I imagine that they'll use them in some manner a'la Grand Glavatronus

TT isn't the one to release retool after retool, unlike Hasbro. Look at how many Generations retools they've been skipping. Besides, Liokaiser would be a much more promising gamble than another group of Autobots would be.

I'm glad you brought up Takara and Liokaiser. That is a question that's been lingering in me for a couple days, now:

If Takara decides to make bank on Liokaiser, how will they execute the team? Release what we're seeing now, or go the extra mile(s) and make Deluxe-scaled Leozack and Jarugar, with some touch-ups on the regular-release limbs (such as differentiating Vortex further by giving him four rotor blades as opposed to two)?

[william-james88]

and now what will takara's take on these set of combiner limbs will be like

Oh man, I wish we'd know soon but we wont know for a long time. They JUST released the first silhouette teas of Bruticus. Gonna be a long wait.

And there's no guarantee TT will even release those limbs. As far as they're concerned, they're simply another set of redecos and retools that would be hard to push, with Wheeljack as the only reshell (with the possibility they'll use him for Lightspeed).

No, TakaraTomy will probably go their nostalgia route and pick the Liokaiser one over Sky Reign as their use for Sky Lynx.

Why? They did o/p max and those had much less re-tooling than the new set; I imagine that they'll use them in some manner a'la Grand Glavatronus

TT isn't the one to release retool after retool, unlike Hasbro. Look at how many Generations retools they've been skipping. Besides, Liokaiser would be a much more promising gamble than another group of Autobots would be.

I mean, you say they don't release retool after retool, but they did that with offroad/ironhide, streetwise/prowl, aerielbots from galvy...surely then, with a set of retools featuring much more retooling (trailbreakers new hand/foot, cannon arm, Hound, Wheeljack - completely redesigned) they would release them... Perhaps not as hasbro has (swap wheeljack for exhaust, etc.) but in some manner...

Jelze was talking of generations, not CW in particular. Takara didnt release crosscut or jihaxus for instance (though I bet their deco would KILL for that later one).

[Ultra Markus]

and now what will takara's take on these set of combiner limbs will be like

Oh man, I wish we'd know soon but we wont know for a long time. They JUST released the first silhouette teas of Bruticus. Gonna be a long wait.

in that case i know what i have to do to jackie
i just hope reprolabels will help us out

[william-james88]

and now what will takara's take on these set of combiner limbs will be like

Oh man, I wish we'd know soon but we wont know for a long time. They JUST released the first silhouette teas of Bruticus. Gonna be a long wait.

in that case i know what i have to do to jackie
i just hope reprolabels will help us out

I dont know. Reprolabels for the CW line havent been the best. They are odd and clash a lot with the modern aesthetic the alt modes are going for. And in the case of CW Ultra Magnus, the reprolabels were just to turn him into the Takara legends one and just buying the better painted Ultra Magnus would have come out cheaper (and he had paint instead of stickers). While reprolabels can help, it usually ends up costing quite a bit.

[Hellscream9999]

and now what will takara's take on these set of combiner limbs will be like

Oh man, I wish we'd know soon but we wont know for a long time. They JUST released the first silhouette teas of Bruticus. Gonna be a long wait.

And there's no guarantee TT will even release those limbs. As far as they're concerned, they're simply another set of redecos and retools that would be hard to push, with Wheeljack as the only reshell (with the possibility they'll use him for Lightspeed).

No, TakaraTomy will probably go their nostalgia route and pick the Liokaiser one over Sky Reign as their use for Sky Lynx.

Why? They did o/p max and those had much less re-tooling than the new set; I imagine that they'll use them in some manner a'la Grand Glavatronus

TT isn't the one to release retool after retool, unlike Hasbro. Look at how many Generations retools they've been skipping. Besides, Liokaiser would be a much more promising gamble than another group of Autobots would be.

I mean, you say they don't release retool after retool, but they did that with offroad/ironhide, streetwise/prowl, aerielbots from galvy...surely then, with a set of retools featuring much more retooling (trailbreakers new hand/foot, cannon arm, Hound, Wheeljack - completely redesigned) they would release them... Perhaps not as hasbro has (swap wheeljack for exhaust, etc.) but in some manner...

Jelze was talking of generations, not CW in particular. Takara didnt release crosscut or jihaxus for instance (though I bet their deco would KILL for that later one).

That's fair, I suppose a counter argument is that TT needed to make some extra 's for ol' galvy, cuz hasbro doesn't seem willing to do it

[Jelze Bunnycat]

That's fair, I suppose a counter argument is that TT needed to make some extra 's for ol' galvy, cuz hasbro doesn't seem willing to do it

And that the Unite Warriors line now has two proper Leaders. Tho admittedly both seem more like e-Hobby material.

[Hellscream9999]

That's fair, I suppose a counter argument is that TT needed to make some extra 's for ol' galvy, cuz hasbro doesn't seem willing to do it

And that the Unite Warriors line now has two proper Leaders. Tho admittedly both seem more like e-Hobby material.

Perhaps, but, it's better this way - now everyone can get them both

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Well, this thread will teach me to go a week an a half without being present. Sheesh people! Took 45 minutes to catch up! So here we go:

wheeljack needs chest paint.

COMPU-#$#&*-@#^#-@@%%@-@#%@-TRON!!! yes he may be a bit lame in retooling and repainting, but I for one am very glad to have him. Hell to the yes for my imagination!

Liokaiser....WTF?!?!?! where did this come from??? And while I really don't need it and have absolutely no attachement whatsoever, why do i want it???

Sky Lynx: Badass

Burn: hates all newstaff, cracks puns, hates rookie newstaff even more, made me laugh multiple time. I'm conflicted on a decision here.

That is all

[Hellscream9999]

Well, this thread will teach me to go a week an a half without being present. Sheesh people! Took 45 minutes to catch up! So here we go:

wheeljack needs chest paint.

COMPU-#$#&*-@#^#-@@%%@-@#%@-TRON!!! yes he may be a bit lame in retooling and repainting, but I for one am very glad to have him. Hell to the yes for my imagination!

Liokaiser....WTF?!?!?! where did this come from??? And while I really don't need it and have absolutely no attachement whatsoever, why do i want it???

Sky Lynx: Badass

Burn: hates all newstaff, cracks puns, hates rookie newstaff even more, made me laugh multiple time. I'm conflicted on a decision here.

That is all

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Well, this thread will teach me to go a week an a half without being present. Sheesh people! Took 45 minutes to catch up! So here we go:

wheeljack needs chest paint.

COMPU-#$#&*-@#^#-@@%%@-@#%@-TRON!!! yes he may be a bit lame in retooling and repainting, but I for one am very glad to have him. Hell to the yes for my imagination!

Liokaiser....WTF?!?!?! where did this come from??? And while I really don't need it and have absolutely no attachement whatsoever, why do i want it???

Sky Lynx: Badass

Burn: hates all newstaff, cracks puns, hates rookie newstaff even more, made me laugh multiple time. I'm conflicted on a decision here.

That is all

I'm glad to see my flight has inspired humor in you

[No One]

Putting him next to Masterpiece Wheeljack is just cruel. I mean... just... ouch.

Yes I do dislike seeing how small the MP version is.

[Hellscream9999]

Putting him next to Masterpiece Wheeljack is just cruel. I mean... just... ouch.

Yes I do dislike seeing how small the MP version is.

HA!

Nice

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Putting him next to Masterpiece Wheeljack is just cruel. I mean... just... ouch.

Yes I do dislike seeing how small the MP version is.

HA!

Nice

At least they bothered to add some retooling to Jackie. they just didnt add the paint to go with it

[Hellscream9999]

Putting him next to Masterpiece Wheeljack is just cruel. I mean... just... ouch.

Yes I do dislike seeing how small the MP version is.

HA!

Nice

At least they bothered to add some retooling to Jackie. they just didnt add the paint to go with it

pfft, I'd sooner take a new head and lots of paint apps than a bunch of new molding and no paint to go with it;

For instance, if hasbro had released mirage first, and then given dragstrip a G1 front end, but not the purple paint apps - then passed it off as being 'G1 cartoon accurate', I'd have been really pissed

[LE0KING]

Putting him next to Masterpiece Wheeljack is just cruel. I mean... just... ouch.

Yes I do dislike seeing how small the MP version is.

HA!

Nice

At least they bothered to add some retooling to Jackie. they just didnt add the paint to go with it

Agreed, as far as retooling goes it looks like Wheeljack and that's impressive.

[Sabrblade]

Liokaiser....WTF?!?!?! where did this come from??? And while I really don't need it and have absolutely no attachement whatsoever, why do i want it???

Because he's the greatest combiner that any 1980's TF media has ever portrayed?

[mblase75]

Why are we getting so many reuses of molds? I was okay with it for a long time, but (Correct me if I'm wrong) Skylynx is the only new mold for the fifteen CW figures coming out this year! (Sky reign, Computron, Liokaiser) What happened to the days when each character got his own toy?

Hasbro got cheap(er).

The toys got more sophisticated, while the buying audience got smaller.

Seriously, I'd rather buy half a dozen repaints than even one toy that looked like the Pretender Monsters. Those things always looked like they should've been Happy Meal toys.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Liokaiser....WTF?!?!?! where did this come from??? And while I really don't need it and have absolutely no attachement whatsoever, why do i want it???

Because he's the greatest combiner that any 1980's TF media has ever portrayed?

I knew he was popular, but I'm just surprised that hasbro is doing a new version of him. Seems like something Takara would do and even then why not a reissue

[MemphisR56]

Is it wrong to want wheeljack simply because all that white looks like a blank canvas just waiting for a paint overhaul?

edit: holy christmas, I've just looked up the price for a combiner wars shockwave on it's own. ~£50! anywhere!. I can't believe it's cheaper to get the entire wave than 1 figure

I can't recall anything ever having been scalped *this* hard.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Is it wrong to want wheeljack simply because all that white looks like a blank canvas just waiting for a paint overhaul?

edit: holy christmas, I've just looked up the price for a combiner wars shockwave on it's own. ~£50! anywhere!. I can't believe it's cheaper to get the entire wave than 1 figure

I can't recall anything ever having been scalped *this* hard.

He literally is the bomb digity! Can't get him anywhere he's so in demand