The Energon Pub

[steals_your_goats]

Yes! He has the DE/SW mold! And even better, it's the SW version.

So the one with the lightbar? Isnt that a little lame?

Who knows, maybe they took the light bar off. It seems they put quite a bit of effort into this set so I think it's in the realm of possibility.

No, there were rumours from people who had seen him that he still had the lightbar, I was always thinking it might be a placeholder (as we saw before) but us seeing that they are indeed using this mold cements those rumours into fact. He has a lightbar, its no question of that, we just have to either accept it or not. I am not there yet.

Ah I didn't know that, no matter like N said he's going to be in combined mode most of the time and even when he's not he'll be in robot mode so I'll never see the bar.

[ZeroWolf]

Computron is looking really fine though the loss of the hand foot guns is a little annoying as they looked like they packed plenty of fire power but the ankle pivots are a nice touch. Can't wait to see the in hand shots and hasbros promo stuff for him. (Other than all these leaks of course; -))

[DecepticonFinishline]

As much as these hands and feet look so much better, I would have preferred consistency... Which is, tragically, why I will still be going after the full P.E. line. Even though Computron doesn't need it.

[steals_your_goats]

It's not going to happen but I would love if Hasbro put out packs of these hands and feet in the colors of the other combiners. I don't mind the HFG but I think the designated hands and feet look better.

[o.supreme]

Those are knockoffs. I was referring to Computron's designated kit.

It may just be semantics but... Anything not licensed by Hasbro or TT are considered "knockoffs" even 3rd party products considered by some to be of superior quality.

[Hellscream9999]

Looks amazing, bummer, thought that he comes with streetwise instead of wheeljack - legitimately disappointed by that

Love that they included bigrooves dual pistols though, shame too that he can't seem to open his hands

[Autobot N]

Those are knockoffs. I was referring to Computron's designated kit.

It may just be semantics but... Anything not licensed by Hasbro or TT are considered "knockoffs" even 3rd party products considered by some to be of superior quality.

I consider KOs to be any design made by someone that stole it from someone else. So Quantron isn't a KO (at least as far as I know), but my CMP-20 is.

[william-james88]

Plus, new hands and feet so I don't have spend $40 dollars on the PE kit.

You never had to:
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product ... 85479.html

Those are knockoffs. I was referring to Computron's designated kit.

Both the high quality KO and the Perfect Effect kit are taking advantage of a property that is not theirs to make money. Also if the PE kit was designated for Computron then where is his name on the box, huh?

Ah I didn't know that, no matter like N said he's going to be in combined mode most of the time and even when he's not he'll be in robot mode so I'll never see the bar.

So that means you dont give your combiner knee pads when you use the dead end/streetwise mold as legs? You just let the front fold down?

[Chainclaw1976]

I'll wait for Takara to make one.

I hope they fix Afterburner, he looks bad to me, with that silly banana windshield. I'd also like some color changes here and there- especially silver hubcaps.

[Hellscream9999]

Plus, new hands and feet so I don't have spend $40 dollars on the PE kit.

You never had to:
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product ... 85479.html

Those are knockoffs. I was referring to Computron's designated kit.

Both the high quality KO and the Perfect Effect kit are taking advantage of a property that is not theirs to make money. Also if the PE kit was designated for Computron then where is his name on the box, huh?

Ah I didn't know that, no matter like N said he's going to be in combined mode most of the time and even when he's not he'll be in robot mode so I'll never see the bar.

So that means you dont give your combiner knee pads when you use the dead end/streetwise mold as legs? You just let the front fold down?

No, I just never use it as a leg - ever, neither him nor breakdown will ever be a leg for me.

That being said, lightspeed (bigroove) is gonna have one heck of a kneepad with that canopy sticking up

[steals_your_goats]

So that means you dont give your combiner knee pads when you use the dead end/streetwise mold as legs? You just let the front fold down?

Yeah I just fold it down, it doesn't really bother me. Besides the way I transform optimus and motormaster I can't do the knee pad thing.

[o.supreme]

I consider KOs to be any design made by someone that stole it from someone else. So Quantron isn't a KO (at least as far as I know)

How is Quantron not a knockoff of Computron? Btw... I don't want to turn this into *3rd party product* is evil debate, there are other threads for that. I think some of them make amazing toys. But I'm just saying, call it what it is.

Some 3rd party hand/foot accessories may be better than others, but ALL are knockoffs if they aren't Hasbro/TT

[Autobot N]

Both the high quality KO and the Perfect Effect kit are taking advantage of a property that is not theirs to make money.

Maybe that's why Hasbro gave him these new feet.

Also if the PE kit was designated for Computron then where is his name on the box, huh?

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Ah I didn't know that, no matter like N said he's going to be in combined mode most of the time and even when he's not he'll be in robot mode so I'll never see the bar.

So that means you dont give your combiner knee pads when you use the dead end/streetwise mold as legs? You just let the front fold down?

Since having Nosecone in the intended configuration doesn't give Comp a kneecap, it makes it even.

[Evil Eye]

I consider KOs to be any design made by someone that stole it from someone else. So Quantron isn't a KO (at least as far as I know)

How is Quantron not a knockoff of Computron?

He doesn't share/steal any engineering or molding from HasTak product at all. He's entirely original engineering/molding, which is all that counts when deciding whether something is a knockoff or not. Whether or not it infringes on IP is another matter altogether, but then IP law is such an outdated, complex and monolithically clumsy beast that quite frankly there's no point brining "MUH IP" into it. Technically, customized action figures and fanart are "IP infringement" but only a total arse would sue someone over that. In any case, for it to be a knockoff it would have to have actually copied existing HasTak physical product and tried to market it as its own.

Now iGear's Seekers were knockoffs as they were basically just slightly modified and downsized versions of the MP Seeker molds marketed as their own.

[Autobot N]

I consider KOs to be any design made by someone that stole it from someone else. So Quantron isn't a KO (at least as far as I know)

How is Quantron not a knockoff of Computron? Btw... I don't want to turn this into *3rd party product* is evil debate, there are other threads for that. I think some of them make amazing toys. But I'm just saying, call it what it is.

Some 3rd party hand/foot accessories may be better than others, but ALL are knockoffs if they aren't Hasbro/TT

Because Quantron shares no tooling with any pre-existing Computron.

[william-james88]

Technically, customized action figures and fanart are "IP infringement" but only a total arse would sue someone over that.

Not just an arse, but an idiot too. No point in suing if no money is being made. Which is one of the reasons I think Hasbro doesnt do it. The legal costs might outweigh what they could get from suing 3p companies. The 3p market is ridiculously small in comparison to the Trasformers brand.

[Microraptor]

Guys, we have made history. Not only do we finally have an official hasbro combiner with ankle joints, we have our first Scrounge!

[SureShot18]

Computron looks AMAZING!!
I am glad they decided to use the SW mold as it's superior to the Breakdown/Wheeljack mold. The light bar probably won't bother me too much as Lightspeed supposed to be a sort of scifi car ,correct? So you can just look at it like some sort of futureistic detailing Tron style (assuming it's colored). If it's just the plastic color it can just be some kind of spoiler I guess.
Afterburner and strafe look like some pretty good retools and the deco on Scattershot looks so much better now. Hopefully Nosecone's waist is better than Brawl's. Those new hands and feet are the bomb!
This could turn out to be the best of the Scramble City CW combiners. Now I anxiously await preorders from TFsource or bigbadtoystore.

[william-james88]

Goys, we have made history. Notably do we finally have an official hasbro combiner with ankle joints, we have our first scrounge!

No need to get racial

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/goy

Just messing, this is a fun time to be a fan.

[Autobot N]

So Will, what is your opinion on Comps?

[Microraptor]

Goys, we have made history. Notably do we finally have an official hasbro combiner with ankle joints, we have our first scrounge!

No need to get racial

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/goy

Just messing, this is a fun time to be a fan.

I could've sworn I spelled it right....

[SureShot18]

Goys, we have made history. Notably do we finally have an official hasbro combiner with ankle joints, we have our first scrounge!

Devastator and Victorion would like to have a word with you about this "Computron making history with ankle tilts" business.

[Cobotron]

On Lightspeed's light bar, I find with Smokescreen, since it's not painted to be a light bar, it just kind of blends in with all that red. Maybe the same for this Technobot.

Comp looks good. The colors are way better than Beta Face. I am on the side though that thinks Wheeljack would have been a better choice for Lightspeed. That alt mode looks so much more like the G1 toy.

Anxious to see Afterburner in cyberbike mode.

[Randomhero]

Technically, customized action figures and fanart are "IP infringement" but only a total arse would sue someone over that.

Not just an arse, but an idiot too. No point in suing if no money is being made. Which is one of the reasons I think Hasbro doesnt do it. The legal costs might outweigh what they could get from suing 3p companies. The 3p market is ridiculously small in comparison to the Trasformers brand.

It is but it is still theft and personally I think the reason for them not stepping in might have to do with the fact quite a few of these companies are based out of Asia and IP is a weird thing over there. Hence why all the KOs that are in official packaging are from Asia.

Honestly it is theft of IP. It is hasbro and takaras characters and while knock off is a bit of a poor way to refer to some 3P stuff they are "knocking off" IP. You're not buying 3rd party figure because it vaguely looks like the character you enjoy. You buy it because in your eyes and opinion it is that character.

Bringing the subject up about fan art, there are some conventions that don't allow fan art. Not TF cons but some conventions don't allow fan art for that reason. Disney used to be a huge stickler for that stuff. Personally as a fellow artist and comic writer who does create his own original comics and attends conventions I don't like fan art. I'd rather see original stuff. If I want a deadpool picture i can google it.

It's nice to see someone refer to 3rd parties as small because they are. It's insane that some people actually believe that 3P are financially damaging hasbro because theyre not. However they should step in to protect their IP.

[Seibertron]

I wish they would have corrected his face. Hopefully Takara will do us right by doing a new head sculpt for Computron. His head should NOT just be Superion's head recolored.