mataleben wrote:...some really eloquent things in reply to shockblast2.
Certainly better than what I said in the heat of the moment, even if I gather that our underlying sentiments may be similar. Thank you, mataleben.
shockblast2, in reply to my last post wrote:Hey, buy what you want.
Thank you, I shall.
shockblast2 wrote:If you want a midget Brawn or Beachcomber with a crappy transformation next to your real Bumblebee or Windcharger that is your choice.
Indeed. As it is your choice
not to have them. But you took it another level, acting as if the already produced toys didn't exist in the first place, and Hasbro just
had to make toys of those characters or your life wouldn't be complete.
shockblast2 wrote:My point is why stop there? Hell, forget a legends Reflector, just buy three minicons from the Shrapnel set and be done with it.Who cares if it the size of a dime and has no detail. While you are at it, grab a DOTM Shockwave and shoe horn that in too.
Re: Reflector. First of all, is Hasbro even working on a new Reflector? Honest question. If they are, I must have missed that tidbit. Secondly, you are perfectly correct that a targetmaster sized single figure is not the ideal Reflector. Am I using him as my collection's Reflector? No. The biggest issue, of course, being that to me, Reflector is made up of
three individual robots. Still, that all being said, the targetmaster figure is a nice homage, and I enjoy having it in my collection as a freebee that ccame with Shrapnel.
Re: DOTM Shockwave. The answer to this one is simple. That is clearly a Bay-verse Shockwave, and would not fit in with my collection. Oh, but I am sure that you intended this as a rebuttal of Seaspray. But that Seaspray toy was released in the Transformers (2010) toy line, which also included such wonderful and undisputedly Classics style toys as Jazz, Red Alert, Scout Class Windcharger, Grapple, Tracks, or the G1 repaint/remold of Unicron.
And while the Seaspray toy in particular is questionably a part of the movie line, it is not entirely clear and there is in fact evidence that it was intended as a Classics style toy.
TFWiki wrote:The question of which continuity Sea Spray belongs in is the center of quite some confusion among the fandom. At Toy Fair 2010 and in the March 2010 answers to tfwiki.net's questions in Hasbro Q&A, Hasbro representatives were adamant that Sea Spray is the same character as Generation 1 Seaspray, being a Classics-style upgrade of the Mini Vehicle placed in the attribute-less 2010 Transformers toy line because they felt he should be a Voyager-sized toy, and the Generations line (the torchbearer of the Classics aesthetic at the time) was limited to the Deluxe size class. His on-packaging bio, however, pits him against Crankstart, a redeco of Revenge of the Fallen Dune Runner. With Crankstart appearing in an issue of Titan's Transformers comic magazine, this places him (and, by extrapolation, Sea Spray) in the live-action film series universe, or at least a micro-continuity offshoot. Furthermore, Sea Spray is included in the Japanese Unite for the Universe comic, which is also set in a version of the same universe. Conversely, in December 2010's Q&A, Hasbro stated that "Seaspray" and some other 2010 yellow-carded toys "do not exist in the movie world". Furthermore, TakaraTomy designer Alex Kubalsky posted design drawings of Sea Spray on his Deviantart account, referring to the toy as "Classic Seaspray"... while the art itself is clearly marked as a "TF Movie 2" design. Should these comments by Hasbro and Kubalsky be filed under authorial intent? You decide!
Is it the ideal Classics Seaspray? Perhaps not. I even said, of the three, it is the one I'd mind the least if a new one was made. But for now, it fits very nicely into my Classics style collection.
shockblast2 wrote:Forget the Generations Arcee, just pickup an animated one.
Well, for a number of years, I was using that figure. And, with the help of a new head, for a number of years she was a decent stand in. But, two things: First, unlike, say, Brawn and Beachcomber, Animated Arcee was not designed to be a Classics Style G1 Arcee. They are two separate characters! Second... Well, before I get to the next point, let me look at the next thing you said.
shockblast2 wrote:Why did you buy the new legends Cosmos? Just keep the old one the size do a quarter from 2008!
Ah. I think I am seeing what you have seemed to have missed. (And this would have also been the second point I would have had regarding Arcee.) I
never said Hasbro can't make new versions of characters they have already done, and I also never said that if the new version was better, I wouldn't pick it up. (Although if the new version
isn't better... Well, let us just say that I'm sticking with the Scout Class Windcharger.)
What I
did say was that, for some of the figures you were insisting Hasbro still needed to do (which, if you will forgive me, seems to imply very much that you are under the impression they had never been done before), they
had been done. Maybe not to your satisfaction, but they
had been done. So, while Hasbro is certainly free to redo them if they wish, I think their resources would be better spent bringing us other characters.
shockblast2 wrote:Why have I been so stupid!
I'm not touching that one, least I unnecessarily draw out any animosity.
shockblast2 wrote:You say this about me, but you are the one who posted to two different people that you think a Legends brawn and Beachcomber fits in with the current line of figures.
Because I think that they do fit. Are they the greatest? Maybe not. Will I buy new ones if Hasbro makes them? Maybe I will. But for now, those holes are filled, I am content with that, and I have other holes I'd rather see Hasbro work on rather then repeating things they've already done.
shockblast2 wrote:So, in your own words, lets recap!
This should be good.
shockblast2 wrote:Ah, I forgot. You're Yotsuyasan...
That's me!
shockblast2 wrote:...the person who defines what counts and does not count as a proper Transformer...
No, that's not me. Nor is it you, actually. (Although I intended to sarcastically imply you were under the impression you had that power.)
I think you'll find that that is actually Hasbro. (And Takara.)
shockblast2 wrote:...and anything that displeases you ceases to count or even exist.
I'm sorry, where was I denying the existence of already existing toys? Or was that just you throwing my own words back at me, even if doing so doesn't make any sense?
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I like my Legends figures..I think they go fantastically in my CHUG collection. That's why we call it CHUG right? It envelops Classics through Generations? AmIright? I mean yeah, sure, some look better than others, but that doesn't remove ALL of them from the equation.
