The Energon Pub

[Burn]

Bitching about a changed colour scheme on toys that change. Yeah, makes total sense.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

If it had included a black crown with ruby's in it, or something, I'd have bought it on site

that would have made for a cool excessory

Indeed

I like that they added the null rays, but I wish there was a port higher up to place them so they could work better with the arms and wings design though

[Hellscream9999]

Bitching about a changed colour scheme on toys that change. Yeah, makes total sense.

Well, they are tf fans, what else would you expect

[Hellscream9999]

If it had included a black crown with ruby's in it, or something, I'd have bought it on site

that would have made for a cool excessory

Indeed

I like that they added the null rays, but I wish there was a port higher up to place them so they could work better with the arms and wings design though

But shoulder-based armaments just seem so inefficient

[william-james88]

Bitching about a changed colour scheme on toys that change. Yeah, makes total sense.

That was my point, albeit said in a paragraph or two.

[Burn]

But shoulder-based armaments just seem so inefficient

Ya think?

That was my point, albeit said in a paragraph or two.

Well maybe if you'd just laid back and taken it easy, Australian style, you wouldn't have bored the readers to death.
(BLAME CANADA!)

[Hellscream9999]

But shoulder-based armaments just seem so inefficient

Ya think?

The epitome of well thought out ideas (to be fair though, it wouldn't have worked very well mounted to his arm )

[D-Maximal_Primal]

But shoulder-based armaments just seem so inefficient

Ya think?

The epitome of well thought out ideas (to be fair though, it wouldn't have worked very well mounted to his arm )

Well now, that is a cannon!

They could have done what the legends did with the seekers so the arms were a bit more posable

[Windsweeper]

I really want Acid Storm and Sunstorm from this mold.

I also want Dreadwind and Hooligan from Jetfire.

[Rodimus Prime]

Not sure how I feel about the torso being purple instead of black.

It's a toy. Chances are, you'll get over it.

[Hellscream9999]

Not sure how I feel about the torso being purple instead of black.

It's a toy. Chances are, you'll get over it.

I doubt that

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Not sure how I feel about the torso being purple instead of black.

It's a toy. Chances are, you'll get over it.

I doubt that

I certainly won't mind. He'll look great to me

[Hellscream9999]

Not sure how I feel about the torso being purple instead of black.

It's a toy. Chances are, you'll get over it.

I doubt that

I certainly won't mind. He'll look great to me

Really needs a crown to even out his stupid looking head

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Not sure how I feel about the torso being purple instead of black.

It's a toy. Chances are, you'll get over it.

I doubt that

I certainly won't mind. He'll look great to me

Really needs a crown to even out his stupid looking head

I actually really do not mind the head. The crown really helps it look good for Starscream but Skywarp and Thundercracker still look good with that head

[Hellscream9999]

Not sure how I feel about the torso being purple instead of black.

It's a toy. Chances are, you'll get over it.

I doubt that

I certainly won't mind. He'll look great to me

Really needs a crown to even out his stupid looking head

I actually really do not mind the head. The crown really helps it look good for Starscream but Skywarp and Thundercracker still look good with that head

Not for me, oh well, there are combiners to get instead

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Not sure how I feel about the torso being purple instead of black.

It's a toy. Chances are, you'll get over it.

I doubt that

I certainly won't mind. He'll look great to me

Really needs a crown to even out his stupid looking head

I actually really do not mind the head. The crown really helps it look good for Starscream but Skywarp and Thundercracker still look good with that head

Not for me, oh well, there are combiners to get instead

Bruticus is coming up soon!

Still kinda excited for the seekers though now that i have warmed and decided to get them. IDW design for the win

[Hellscream9999]

Not sure how I feel about the torso being purple instead of black.

It's a toy. Chances are, you'll get over it.

I doubt that

I certainly won't mind. He'll look great to me

Really needs a crown to even out his stupid looking head

I actually really do not mind the head. The crown really helps it look good for Starscream but Skywarp and Thundercracker still look good with that head

Not for me, oh well, there are combiners to get instead

Bruticus is coming up soon!

Still kinda excited for the seekers though now that i have warmed and decided to get them. IDW design for the win

Yeah he is

[Shockwave7]

I think Skywarp looks great, but I also think I'm tapped out enough on CW repaints that I'll hold off and see if it goes on Amazon discount like Thundercracker currently has....

[Shockwave7]

I really want Acid Storm and Sunstorm from this mold.

I also want Dreadwind and Hooligan from Jetfire.

I wants Thrust, just for VTOL remolding on the wings....

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I think Skywarp looks great, but I also think I'm tapped out enough on CW repaints that I'll hold off and see if it goes on Amazon discount like Thundercracker currently has....

TC is going back down again in price, so I am going to pick him up and I recommend you do the same. the colors look very nice (probably the best all around).

[Agamemnon]

I wants Thrust, just for VTOL remolding on the wings....

YES!!

[Rated X]

Or we can think about this realistically and not make a bullshit non cannon explanation (that''s funpub's job); the reason probably has something to do with which parts are on which sprues, the chest sections may be molded with the arms and engines.

But is it really BS? Because that would mean that his chest is 100% without a doubt his nosecone. And from the looks of the toy, it isnt. No nosecone has never looked like that. And toy-wise, it isnt his nosecone, its just a chest design and his nosecone is up in the back. So all the chest is really doing is homaging the nosecone, not replacing it outright and thus the chest colour needs not duplicate the full colour. What I mean is the toy is already not the traditional Skywarp since his nosecone is not his chest. This is an update for the generations line, and seeing it that way, why cant other aspects be different?

I mean, is the colour of the chest really the only different between this



and this?

Thats some serious sugarcoating you did there. Lets be real. Whether the mold is Jetfire or a seeker, thats a fake cockpit/nosecone created on behalf of lazy Hasbro engineering. How hard could it have been to make his chest the actual cockpit instead of a fake ? They pulled it off quite nicely on Armada Starscream.

[william-james88]

Oh i am on your side. I was just saying that if they aren't doing it acurate where his nosecone is his chest, then why does it matter if the colour isnt accurate either?

[Wolfman Jake]

Thats some serious sugarcoating you did there. Lets be real. Whether the mold is Jetfire or a seeker, thats a fake cockpit/nosecone created on behalf of lazy Hasbro engineering. How hard could it have been to make his chest the actual cockpit instead of a fake ? They pulled it off quite nicely on Armada Starscream.

First of all, Takara does the engineering. Hasbro gives them the desired designs and the budget and parameters with which to make them happen without breaking the bank (e.g., keeping profit margins high and investors happy). Secondly, the faux cockpit is because this is a retool of the Jetfire mold. It didn't have a faux cockpit, but a secondary smaller cockpit, in its design. That's a result of him being designed with the cartoon model in mind for his robot mode. The cartoon model alt mode, heavily (and notoriously) redesigned from the original toy's alt mode, includes the secondary cockpit on the underside of the fuselage (you can only see it in some rare undercarriage and transformation shots), just like this new toy, though the alt mode more resembles the original toy otherwise. To redesign the transformation scheme for the seekers to instead use the main cockpit for their chest would probably have meant completely redesigning the entire mold altogether, instead of strategically reshelling the mold and maintaining the core engineering and design. It was a cost saving measure, and one that meant the difference between having Leader class Seekers or nothing at all at that price point. Heck, Hasbro might not have even put out Leader class Jetfire had they not been assured future returns with the Seeker retool and repaints.

[william-james88]

Beautiful response Wolfman Jake, I loved every word of it! Though part of me feels that Hasbro asked Takara for a jetfire mold first and when seeing what they came up with in engineering, then asked them to use the same mold to make seekers which hasbro had designed to look similar in build. Those holes at the top near the end really tell me that this was jetfire's mold and the seekers were more of an afterthough. Though burn thinks differently and I find that super cool. I look forward to reading his views on that if ever he chooses to make an editorial. Actually, no joke but I believe my favourite generations toy of last year is Leader jetfire, I just love his look. I love Arcee too, but only got her through the legends line which was only released this year.

Anyways, real talk here: I have the opportunity to buy Leader Megs (G1 deco) for 40$. Now I want to know, at that price, is he worth it? It wouldnt be for a shelf or to go with anyone but simply to have in my collection and to try out the mold. Is it a really good toy? Am I missing out by never getting this mold? And am I better off getting the G1 deco at 40$ or waiting for all the armada megs to go on ligquidation at 25-30$ and buying that instead?

Please let me know your thoughts.