JackStraw wrote:I dont want any stinking Legends class toys.
Watch, this size will eventually replace the deluxe size as the standard, and they'll still charge the same 17.99.
If hasbro would stop making crappy toys no one wants, and stop charging too much for them, maybe they would be doing better and wouldn't have to lay off all of those employees. I wish I lived in Japan so I could still buy Transformers and not have to deal with crappy hasbro. This, on the heals of another crappy movie with a bunch of crappy movie toys. I bought so many from the previous movies that sit in boxes in my basement, which, I cannot give away.
I think Hasbro really needs to rethink their target audience. Outside of the Christmas season, most folks that I see buying Transformers at my local TRU are collectors, and like me they wouldnt mind some bigger figures without the kiddie hasbro color schemes. In my opinion hasbro needs to cater more to the "adult collector" and quit with the cracker jack toys. The money is there to be had as evidence by the content and very existence of this site (not to mention the 3rd party success), hasbro just needs to put out quality toys people want(a brand new 29.99 voyager should not need a "shoulder fix"). Metroplex is a step in the right direction, these, not so much.
Marcdachamp wrote:Megatron Wolf wrote:they look good but not for the price they're asking. And poor Waspinator gets the shaft again
How much do they usually cost? Starscream and Waspinator are a must buy for me. Not sold on Megatron, but Prime and Bee are both pretty cool looking in my book.
RAcast wrote:DTR69 wrote:STarscream really does look good. I remember when RobotMasters Starscream came out, I thought it was a miracle they managed to get the robot design finaly in good proportions, but since then it's been proven it can be done and done to perfection. FOr a small scale though this is great.
Now the downside, why is it when Megatron isn't a gun, when he finaly has a chance to have a robot mode that isn't restricted with and alt mode that will almost certainly lead to weird proportions, still weird proportions. His alt mode is virtualy a block, why are his lower legs so akward looking. There isn't one tank Megatron that is any good, apart from a concept drawing of a Barabus tank, in light brown shown a while back.
Lastly, what a pathetic attempt of target masters, why do they bother with these stupid guns, it looks like they are holding insects, megatron looks like he has a new pet instead of laserbeak. It seems that you can point anything in the transformers world and it's a gun. Why not be done with it and make Bananna traget masters.
Armada Megatron is fantastic, and Waspinator makes a great gun, I don't know what you're looking at. Chop Shop though, not so much... perhaps it's mistransformed?
chuckdawg1999 wrote:DTR69 wrote:STarscream really does look good. I remember when RobotMasters Starscream came out, I thought it was a miracle they managed to get the robot design finaly in good proportions, but since then it's been proven it can be done and done to perfection. FOr a small scale though this is great.
Now the downside, why is it when Megatron isn't a gun, when he finaly has a chance to have a robot mode that isn't restricted with and alt mode that will almost certainly lead to weird proportions, still weird proportions. His alt mode is virtualy a block, why are his lower legs so akward looking. There isn't one tank Megatron that is any good, apart from a concept drawing of a Barabus tank, in light brown shown a while back.
Lastly, what a pathetic attempt of target masters, why do they bother with these stupid guns, it looks like they are holding insects, megatron looks like he has a new pet instead of laserbeak. It seems that you can point anything in the transformers world and it's a gun. Why not be done with it and make Bananna traget masters.
Megatron was a gun in the reveal the shield legends line. That was the only size scale that Hasbro could make a gun and if you remember the barrel was molded in blaze orange leaving the tip unpainted. They cannot make a gun transformer, that looks realistic, in a larger size class
Blurrz wrote:JackStraw wrote:I dont want any stinking Legends class toys.
Watch, this size will eventually replace the deluxe size as the standard, and they'll still charge the same 17.99.
If hasbro would stop making crappy toys no one wants, and stop charging too much for them, maybe they would be doing better and wouldn't have to lay off all of those employees. I wish I lived in Japan so I could still buy Transformers and not have to deal with crappy hasbro. This, on the heals of another crappy movie with a bunch of crappy movie toys. I bought so many from the previous movies that sit in boxes in my basement, which, I cannot give away.
I think Hasbro really needs to rethink their target audience. Outside of the Christmas season, most folks that I see buying Transformers at my local TRU are collectors, and like me they wouldnt mind some bigger figures without the kiddie hasbro color schemes. In my opinion hasbro needs to cater more to the "adult collector" and quit with the cracker jack toys. The money is there to be had as evidence by the content and very existence of this site (not to mention the 3rd party success), hasbro just needs to put out quality toys people want(a brand new 29.99 voyager should not need a "shoulder fix"). Metroplex is a step in the right direction, these, not so much.
I think Hasbro is trending in the right direction. They're not getting everything right, but have they pleased everyone? We've moved on from the shrinking toy scale as evidenced by a bunch of the newer Deluxes, such as Lazerback. Our Voyagers are getting beefier once again and for goodness sake - I dont think we deserve to complain about Blitzwing and Springer. The fandom was clamoring for them since Classics '06 and we finally get them and despite a small flaw, I for one believe that the expectations have been beaten.
We may not be the 'target audience', but we are an audience. If Hasbro didn't realize they had adult collectors, we wouldn't have toys homaging Transformers in comic books. We'd have Wave 1 full of two different Bumblebees and two different Optimus Primes. We wouldn't have figures like Straxus/Darkmount, nor would we have the revival of Ultra Magnus or the Metroplex you're clamoring over. They wouldn't have a partnership with FunPub to run a fanclub or a devoted convention.
What is so appealing about Takara? We share the same lines, and unless the whole world falls apart, the Masterpiece molds do end up trickling into Hasbro territory. Encore? Superlink GT? They don't exactly initiate the nomad in me.
Hasbro is getting a lot less credit than they should. And Movie toys? They have to cash in on the movie franchise when movies are present. Its like complaining that there are too many Movie Iron Man toys out and not enough GeeWun Iron Man figures during the release of Iron Man 3.
Blurrz wrote:Next wave Blurr w/ Swerve and Chromedome w/ Rewind. Do it.
Burn wrote:Please don't clog this thread up with garbage. Either post a real picture of yourself, or tell Va'al how pretty he is.
KirbyForce1 wrote:Blurrz wrote:JackStraw wrote:I dont want any stinking Legends class toys.
Watch, this size will eventually replace the deluxe size as the standard, and they'll still charge the same 17.99.
If hasbro would stop making crappy toys no one wants, and stop charging too much for them, maybe they would be doing better and wouldn't have to lay off all of those employees. I wish I lived in Japan so I could still buy Transformers and not have to deal with crappy hasbro. This, on the heals of another crappy movie with a bunch of crappy movie toys. I bought so many from the previous movies that sit in boxes in my basement, which, I cannot give away.
I think Hasbro really needs to rethink their target audience. Outside of the Christmas season, most folks that I see buying Transformers at my local TRU are collectors, and like me they wouldnt mind some bigger figures without the kiddie hasbro color schemes. In my opinion hasbro needs to cater more to the "adult collector" and quit with the cracker jack toys. The money is there to be had as evidence by the content and very existence of this site (not to mention the 3rd party success), hasbro just needs to put out quality toys people want(a brand new 29.99 voyager should not need a "shoulder fix"). Metroplex is a step in the right direction, these, not so much.
I think Hasbro is trending in the right direction. They're not getting everything right, but have they pleased everyone? We've moved on from the shrinking toy scale as evidenced by a bunch of the newer Deluxes, such as Lazerback. Our Voyagers are getting beefier once again and for goodness sake - I dont think we deserve to complain about Blitzwing and Springer. The fandom was clamoring for them since Classics '06 and we finally get them and despite a small flaw, I for one believe that the expectations have been beaten.
We may not be the 'target audience', but we are an audience. If Hasbro didn't realize they had adult collectors, we wouldn't have toys homaging Transformers in comic books. We'd have Wave 1 full of two different Bumblebees and two different Optimus Primes. We wouldn't have figures like Straxus/Darkmount, nor would we have the revival of Ultra Magnus or the Metroplex you're clamoring over. They wouldn't have a partnership with FunPub to run a fanclub or a devoted convention.
What is so appealing about Takara? We share the same lines, and unless the whole world falls apart, the Masterpiece molds do end up trickling into Hasbro territory. Encore? Superlink GT? They don't exactly initiate the nomad in me.
Hasbro is getting a lot less credit than they should. And Movie toys? They have to cash in on the movie franchise when movies are present. Its like complaining that there are too many Movie Iron Man toys out and not enough GeeWun Iron Man figures during the release of Iron Man 3.
I couldn't agree more with what you have written, and fans need to shut up and just be happy with what's out.
Noideaforaname wrote:I dunno 'bout you guys, but I find myself buying FAR, far more of the little TFs than the larger ones these days. They just seem to be doing more with them; look how long it took to get a Blitzwing or how the Prime line can't even get the main lineup done, and yet both Cyberverse and Kre-O decided "hey, let's go for friggin' broke and make Abominus!" Guess who I can expect the other Deluxe Insecticons and BW Predacons from.
JackStraw wrote:If hasbro would stop making crappy toys no one wants
Nemesis Primal wrote:JackStraw wrote:If hasbro would stop making crappy toys no one wants
Someone hasn't been paying attention to the thread. People DO want these. Have you SEEN how people are reacting to Starscream and Waspinator?
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Mindmaster wrote:Nemesis Primal wrote:JackStraw wrote:If hasbro would stop making crappy toys no one wants
Someone hasn't been paying attention to the thread. People DO want these. Have you SEEN how people are reacting to Starscream and Waspinator?
Look at my signature for more proof.
I'm a sucker for homages, and damn good ones at that. Like I said, Waspinator is the crown jewel of this reveal; Starscream is the accessory.
RAcast wrote:Mindmaster wrote:Nemesis Primal wrote:JackStraw wrote:If hasbro would stop making crappy toys no one wants
Someone hasn't been paying attention to the thread. People DO want these. Have you SEEN how people are reacting to Starscream and Waspinator?
Look at my signature for more proof.
I'm a sucker for homages, and damn good ones at that. Like I said, Waspinator is the crown jewel of this reveal; Starscream is the accessory.
Pretty much. Though I am in need a good Legends-scale Starscream, as well, Waspinator is the szzztar of the show!
JackStraw wrote:I dont want any stinking Legends class toys.
Watch, this size will eventually replace the deluxe size as the standard, and they'll still charge the same 17.99.
If hasbro would stop making crappy toys no one wants, and stop charging too much for them, maybe they would be doing better and wouldn't have to lay off all of those employees. I wish I lived in Japan so I could still buy Transformers and not have to deal with crappy hasbro. This, on the heals of another crappy movie with a bunch of crappy movie toys. I bought so many from the previous movies that sit in boxes in my basement, which, I cannot give away.
I think Hasbro really needs to rethink their target audience. Outside of the Christmas season, most folks that I see buying Transformers at my local TRU are collectors, and like me they wouldnt mind some bigger figures without the kiddie hasbro color schemes. In my opinion hasbro needs to cater more to the "adult collector" and quit with the cracker jack toys. The money is there to be had as evidence by the content and very existence of this site (not to mention the 3rd party success), hasbro just needs to put out quality toys people want(a brand new 29.99 voyager should not need a "shoulder fix"). Metroplex is a step in the right direction, these, not so much.
In his post he also wrote this:Nemesis Primal wrote:JackStraw wrote:If hasbro would stop making crappy toys no one wants
Someone hasn't been paying attention to the thread. People DO want these. Have you SEEN how people are reacting to Starscream and Waspinator?
I think it's safe to say that he's of the mindset that "If I don't like it, then no one will/then it's bad."JackStraw wrote:I dont want any stinking Legends class toys.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
There's also the matter that us adult collectors only make up about less than 10% of Hasbro's profit margin from the Transformers brand.JackStraw wrote:Yeah some of you make some good points, some a little more snide fanboy leaning. I should've known so many people on here would take my comments personally. Oh well, some may feel differently when looking back in a few years, some won't.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:There's also the matter that us adult collectors only make up about less than 10% of Hasbro's profit margin from the Transformers brand.JackStraw wrote:Yeah some of you make some good points, some a little more snide fanboy leaning. I should've known so many people on here would take my comments personally. Oh well, some may feel differently when looking back in a few years, some won't.
Sabrblade wrote:There's also the matter that us adult collectors only make up about less than 10% of Hasbro's profit margin from the Transformers brand.JackStraw wrote:Yeah some of you make some good points, some a little more snide fanboy leaning. I should've known so many people on here would take my comments personally. Oh well, some may feel differently when looking back in a few years, some won't.
Seibertron wrote:Sabrblade wrote:There's also the matter that us adult collectors only make up about less than 10% of Hasbro's profit margin from the Transformers brand.JackStraw wrote:Yeah some of you make some good points, some a little more snide fanboy leaning. I should've known so many people on here would take my comments personally. Oh well, some may feel differently when looking back in a few years, some won't.
There's an image from around 2006 or 2007 that came from a licensing fair/expo that showed an image in a promotional booklet from Hasbro that showed Hasbro stating that adult collectors made up 15% or 17% of sales (I can't remember which). I can't find the image right now. We reported on it here on Seibertron.com, or at least the expo, but I can't seem to find any information about this. Maybe one of you know the image that I'm talking about and can find it or dig it up?
JackStraw wrote:There we go, and that number's about 6 or 7 years old now so who knows. Based on many factors including current age and financial status of us who had these as little kids, Comic Con attendance,
I think that number must be increasing all the time.
Hasbro is getting a lot less credit than they should. ]
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