AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yet, the award winning part, where it was recognised by the wider world existed when the 80's series had long ceased. Transformers is no different to any other franchise. Star Trek for example. Star Trek garnered acclaim with TNG, not the original series. Stargate is another such example. Wherein someone took the original idea and expanded on it and made something better.
Sunbow is finished and the 80's have been dead for over three decades. Respect the past but learn to let it go.
Transformers is also a 35 y/o franchise, so the "biggest part" is arguable. Fans from the late 90's or 2000's or Bayformers, likely couldn't care less about G1.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm doing no such thing??? I'm just putting into context. G1 was the beginning. It isn't everything to every fan. To think so makes Sabrblade's comment even more apt and funny.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:My sole bugbear with Transformers, that I've had since Sunbow is the back peddling. The Movie wiped the slate clean for the new series. The Takara series went even further. Then it stops.
Beast Wars changed the tone and setting, Beast Machines (for good or ill) took that even further. Then it stops.
Unicron Trilogy, Animated, Prime, IDW etc etc etc Just when each series is about to show something really new and exciting with the franchise, The brakes are slammed on and the franchise is thrown back to the 80's. It just gets really frustrating after a while.
sol magnus wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:My sole bugbear with Transformers, that I've had since Sunbow is the back peddling. The Movie wiped the slate clean for the new series. The Takara series went even further. Then it stops.
Beast Wars changed the tone and setting, Beast Machines (for good or ill) took that even further. Then it stops.
Unicron Trilogy, Animated, Prime, IDW etc etc etc Just when each series is about to show something really new and exciting with the franchise, The brakes are slammed on and the franchise is thrown back to the 80's. It just gets really frustrating after a while.
Not for me. I could buy Primes and Magnuses and Prowls and Megatrons and Soundwaves into perpetuity.
And the slate wiping didn't work even back then. Why did Optimus and Jazz and Bumblebee and eventually darn near everyone get remade IN GENERATION ONE? Because people asked for them. Relentlessly.
Same with G.I.Joe. Snake-Eyes, Cobra Commander et al got remade in ARAH because people wanted them. The only reason Hasbro has ever done anything is because they've been really great at knowing where their bread is buttered.
Sentinel_Primal wrote:sol magnus wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:My sole bugbear with Transformers, that I've had since Sunbow is the back peddling. The Movie wiped the slate clean for the new series. The Takara series went even further. Then it stops.
Beast Wars changed the tone and setting, Beast Machines (for good or ill) took that even further. Then it stops.
Unicron Trilogy, Animated, Prime, IDW etc etc etc Just when each series is about to show something really new and exciting with the franchise, The brakes are slammed on and the franchise is thrown back to the 80's. It just gets really frustrating after a while.
Not for me. I could buy Primes and Magnuses and Prowls and Megatrons and Soundwaves into perpetuity.
And the slate wiping didn't work even back then. Why did Optimus and Jazz and Bumblebee and eventually darn near everyone get remade IN GENERATION ONE? Because people asked for them. Relentlessly.
Same with G.I.Joe. Snake-Eyes, Cobra Commander et al got remade in ARAH because people wanted them. The only reason Hasbro has ever done anything is because they've been really great at knowing where their bread is buttered.
Except that leaves fans of the other eras of Transformers without many figures that are for them. There's the occasional bone thrown to them, but more often than not, Hasbro just prints out more G1 based figures or characters
Sentinel_Primal wrote:Except that leaves fans of the other eras of Transformers without many figures that are for them. There's the occasional bone thrown to them, but more often than not, Hasbro just prints out more G1 based figures or characters
sol magnus wrote:And the slate wiping didn't work even back then. Why did Optimus and Jazz and Bumblebee and eventually darn near everyone get remade IN GENERATION ONE? Because people asked for them. Relentlessly.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Sentinel_Primal wrote:Except that leaves fans of the other eras of Transformers without many figures that are for them. There's the occasional bone thrown to them, but more often than not, Hasbro just prints out more G1 based figures or characters
Exactly. Hasbro does forget that some fans got into Transformers through Rattrap or BW Rampage or Bulkhead or Hot Shot. That 'NEW' does sell.sol magnus wrote:And the slate wiping didn't work even back then. Why did Optimus and Jazz and Bumblebee and eventually darn near everyone get remade IN GENERATION ONE? Because people asked for them. Relentlessly.
The majority of those slain in G1, either via The Movie or comics such as The Underbase Saga, did not return during its run. So it did work, for everyone who wasn't Optimus Prime.
Erm, many of those who got Action Masters did get revived in Issue #75.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The majority of those slain in G1, either via The Movie or comics such as The Underbase Saga, did not return during its run. So it did work, for everyone who wasn't Optimus Prime.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Re-using names and likenesses is more to do with marketing and renewing trademarks than anything fans (who would likely have all been children, back in the day) would have "asked for".
mordhelm wrote:So... how about them Generations Selects toys?
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
Cobotron wrote:Hasbro has always, and will continue to pour large amounts of resources into market research and focus groups with their core audiences.
They rarely do anything on a whim. What I mean is, it's most likely kids who said/say, "Where's Jazz?", or "I love Bumblebee!".
But yeah! Did you guys see those new Seacons?!?!
sol magnus wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Re-using names and likenesses is more to do with marketing and renewing trademarks than anything fans (who would likely have all been children, back in the day) would have "asked for".
Yeah, so you forget about the PARENTS who sent letters to Hasbro about why they killed off x character in Transformers: The Movie because it traumatized their kid (with Prime being the one they most complained about)?
You forget that Duke didn't die in his movie because Hasbro understood, from FEEDBACK, that they might have messed up with Transformers?
I get the feeling you weren't there for any of this.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Other than Cyberverse, I don't think the toys are aimed at kids anymore.
sol magnus wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Re-using names and likenesses is more to do with marketing and renewing trademarks than anything fans (who would likely have all been children, back in the day) would have "asked for".
Yeah, so you forget about the PARENTS who sent letters to Hasbro about why they killed off x character in Transformers: The Movie because it traumatized their kid (with Prime being the one they most complained about)?
You forget that Duke didn't die in his movie because Hasbro understood, from FEEDBACK, that they might have messed up with Transformers?
I get the feeling you weren't there for any of this.
I'm sure letters really mattered to a Mega Corporation. Like a change.org petition...
I was three when I watched The Movie, when it came out (repeatedly, I can quote it word for word to this day) and I loved it! I, and probably others, got into Transformers through The Movie.
And let's not forget that dubbed over bit of narration in the GI Joe movie is rightly ridiculed. Because unlike Prime, who was an alien robot, Duke was a man. Who clearly got speared through the heart... Which can apparently do nothing more than put you in a "healing coma"
ZeroWolf wrote:Also I'm of the opinion that too much G1 can be bad for the franchise as it reaches the point of reduced returns, though if they do characters like Spinster who have been languishing then it's a much easier pill to swallow. Basically hasbro and TT just need to remember there's more to G1 then just 84/85, aka bring on Star Saber you fools!
ZeroWolf wrote:I'm happy for those getting these but I won't be, the price just isn't worth it to me, had these been regular releases then it wouldn't have been an issue.
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Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Ironhidensh wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I'm happy for those getting these but I won't be, the price just isn't worth it to me, had these been regular releases then it wouldn't have been an issue.
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Same here. It’s a gorgeous set, but the price is gouged far more than its worth. If I ever find a sale though.....
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
Exactly. Hasbro does forget that some fans got into Transformers through Rattrap or BW Rampage or Bulkhead or Hot Shot. That 'NEW' does sell.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
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