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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Despite what the description says, that deco screams less "Marvel Galvatron II" and more "Japanese Galvatron II".

Yep. That would be why it looks so needlessly garish. I'd have expected better from HasTak. How hard is it to get this wrong?





When 3P can do it so easily and on a much smaller figure:

He literally looks like the Marvel character model you posted, but with stickers, which you can choose not to apply, and red shoulders, which that figure you're praising also has. It even has the whole arm in violet except for the grey hand like the very character model you posted, unlike that 3P figure and that manga galvatron, which have the whole forearm done in grey.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Despite what the description says, that deco screams less "Marvel Galvatron II" and more "Japanese Galvatron II".

Yep. That would be why it looks so needlessly garish. I'd have expected better from HasTak. How hard is it to get this wrong?





When 3P can do it so easily and on a much smaller figure:

Because it’s a deco inspired by the original G1 Galvatron toy and not actually a direct attempt at the Marvel Comics color scheme?

Wolfman Jake wrote:Because it’s a deco inspired by the original G1 Galvatron toy and not actually a direct attempt at the Marvel Comics color scheme?

It comes down to phrasing:

Behold, Galvatron! The herald of Unicron blasts his way into the Generations Selects line with this special edition figure! This Galvatron figure is inspired by the classic 1986 toy release, featuring comic-inspired deco.

So it is actually supposed to be a combination of both. Somehow.

I wonder - why did they mess up the colors in G1 to begin with? The toy Galvatron and movie Galvatron were nothing alike in terms of the way the colors were laid out. Was it because the movie was made before the toy, or vice-verse? Did somebody either at the animation studio, or in factory production, get it wrong, and they just determined that it was too late to do anything about it?

They ought to have moved to either recolor the movie character, or retool the figure, so that the colors were matched across media. Instead, we get situations like THIS, where they're stuck having to crank out two sets of figures - one that's 'cartoon accurate', and another that's 'figure accurate'.

In a time when they can't even get enough NORMAL figures in stock to satisfy demand, they need to stop wasting time on recolored versions and get more regular figures in stock.

DeathReviews wrote:In a time when they can't even get enough NORMAL figures in stock to satisfy demand, they need to stop wasting time on recolored versions and get more regular figures in stock.

Those lines are unrelated though.
Meaning there's no "time wasted" between lines. Furthermore, bad distribution affect EVERYTHING.

So, eh. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

DeathReviews wrote:I wonder - why did they mess up the colors in G1 to begin with? The toy Galvatron and movie Galvatron were nothing alike in terms of the way the colors were laid out. Was it because the movie was made before the toy, or vice-verse? Did somebody either at the animation studio, or in factory production, get it wrong, and they just determined that it was too late to do anything about it?

They ought to have moved to either recolor the movie character, or retool the figure, so that the colors were matched across media. Instead, we get situations like THIS, where they're stuck having to crank out two sets of figures - one that's 'cartoon accurate', and another that's 'figure accurate'.

In a time when they can't even get enough NORMAL figures in stock to satisfy demand, they need to stop wasting time on recolored versions and get more regular figures in stock.

I believe Chris McFeely touched on this in his YouTube video about galvatron

Final changes were made to the design for the movie after the toy had already been designed. Same thing happened to several of the 86 toys I think

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Floro_Dery

I understand 30-40 years going on in this franchise toys-matching-animation is a big deal, but honestly for me, back in the 80's it wasn't given much thought, at least among my peers. I think it was generally understood that animation designs were altered to make the characters more humanoid/relatable? And the comics followed suit soon after only doing toy accurate representations for a couple of issues.

None of us expected the toys to match what we saw in the animated series. And although it is a staple of modern Transformers, it still not something I need. I mean I will go out of my way when TT specifically offers something more animation accurate, but that is more-or-less a Bonus to me, rather than something I demand. Take it from someone who once owned Ironhide, one of the most egregious definitions of toy/animation difference. It wasn't a big deal to me. I knew who the character's were, there was no existential identity crisis, or thought that the toys were in any way inferior for being different. I think Floro Dery's designs (the movie specifically) are awesome, even if they couldn't be translated in toy form at the time.

Combine this with the Shattered Glass Collection Megatron parts to recreate Energon Megatron.



Day 553 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.

@o.supreme - The toy was based off an earlier character model that had a totally different head. The movie changed, but the toy didn't. That's why the models don't match.

Hot Rod also has different colors in the movie.

I wouldn't mind a pure "Marvel deco", but the toy one is so similar that it doesn't amount to very much.

DeathReviews wrote:I wonder - why did they mess up the colors in G1 to begin with? The toy Galvatron and movie Galvatron were nothing alike in terms of the way the colors were laid out. Was it because the movie was made before the toy, or vice-verse? Did somebody either at the animation studio, or in factory production, get it wrong, and they just determined that it was too late to do anything about it?

They ought to have moved to either recolor the movie character, or retool the figure, so that the colors were matched across media. Instead, we get situations like THIS, where they're stuck having to crank out two sets of figures - one that's 'cartoon accurate', and another that's 'figure accurate'.

In a time when they can't even get enough NORMAL figures in stock to satisfy demand, they need to stop wasting time on recolored versions and get more regular figures in stock.

This is probably as much info as you can hope to get. In general, the wiki is the best source. It just says that there were multiple design revisions.
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Galvatron_(G1)#Notes

Although I do have a soft spot for the G1 toy design (The toy followed me everywhere as a kid). I think in terms of differentiating him as a different character from Megatron, for the show. Purple works better than a similarly grey aesthetic.

DeathReviews wrote:I wonder - why did they mess up the colors in G1 to begin with? The toy Galvatron and movie Galvatron were nothing alike in terms of the way the colors were laid out. Was it because the movie was made before the toy, or vice-verse? Did somebody either at the animation studio, or in factory production, get it wrong, and they just determined that it was too late to do anything about it?

They ought to have moved to either recolor the movie character, or retool the figure, so that the colors were matched across media. Instead, we get situations like THIS, where they're stuck having to crank out two sets of figures - one that's 'cartoon accurate', and another that's 'figure accurate'.

In a time when they can't even get enough NORMAL figures in stock to satisfy demand, they need to stop wasting time on recolored versions and get more regular figures in stock.

Your post makes it seem like you enjoy the toys but don't know how the sausage is/was made. I wonder how long you've had your robe and sickle, so to speak.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Because it’s a deco inspired by the original G1 Galvatron toy and not actually a direct attempt at the Marvel Comics color scheme?

It comes down to phrasing:

Behold, Galvatron! The herald of Unicron blasts his way into the Generations Selects line with this special edition figure! This Galvatron figure is inspired by the classic 1986 toy release, featuring comic-inspired deco.

So it is actually supposed to be a combination of both. Somehow.

Well, there you go! They were just inspired by the toy and comic deco.

I think it’s close enough. The stickers will help with some of the G1 toy detail, or you can leave off the stickers for a Marvel Comics look if you accept that the comic’s light bluish coloring represents silver chrome and is translated into plastic form as a semi-glossy off white color. The same thing happens with Optimus Prime. His G1 toy had chrome silver thighs, that are translated as white in the cartoon, but left light gray on most modern G1-inspired toys.

If they really wanted to give this toy Marvel colors, the gray would be light blue instead.

My biggest question is are they going to fix the shoulder screw up?

Wolfman Jake wrote:Well, there you go! They were just inspired by the toy and comic deco.

"Inspired" by both... HasTak really must love sitting on the fence all the time

Cyber Bishop wrote:My biggest question is are they going to fix the shoulder screw up?

I think they did. Need to get home and put mine in a similar pose, but I think the arm pointing would be a little lower if not fixed.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Well, there you go! They were just inspired by the toy and comic deco.

"Inspired" by both... HasTak really must love sitting on the fence all the time

Considering they wrote this about Cyclonus on the Kingdom website:

Prepare for a bombshell as past events warp your future

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Despite what the description says, that deco screams less "Marvel Galvatron II" and more "Japanese Galvatron II".

Yep. That would be why it looks so needlessly garish. I'd have expected better from HasTak. How hard is it to get this wrong?





When 3P can do it so easily and on a much smaller figure:

Maybe it’s attempting to do multiple things to catch the attention of several people and not just you wanting a very specific version of the deco?

Randomhero wrote:Maybe it’s attempting to do multiple things to catch the attention of several people and no just wanting a very specific version of the deco?

As opposed to every other figure?

This isn't the first time they have done a "toy-accurate" deco. Nor the first time they've done a "comic/media accurate" one. However, in this instance, I think the middle ground wasn't the choice that would have appealed to the most people.

"A Very specific version" has been the point of the more prominent figures within the Selects line so far. G2 Ramjet, Cordon etc

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Maybe it’s attempting to do multiple things to catch the attention of several people and no just wanting a very specific version of the deco?

As opposed to every other figure?

This isn't the first time they have done a "toy-accurate" deco. Nor the first time they've done a "comic/media accurate" one. However, in this instance, I think the middle ground wasn't the choice that would have appealed to the most people.

"A Very specific version" has been the point of the more prominent figures within the Selects line so far. G2 Ramjet, Cordon etc

There’s a first time for everything. Hence applying stickers for a selects and black Zarak is attempting multiple things. He’s based on the cartoon and toy yes but his head module is homaging victory

On the boards of one of those other sites, fans are complaining about the sticker sheet even though it's completely optional. Fans complain if they don't get exactly what they want, and their needs are always contradictory enough that they'll never get what they want. I think an approach like this is best.

Of course, my standards may be more lax than others. I grew up with G1, and I understood that the toys and the cartoon characters and the comic characters were all the same. I grew up overlooking color or shape differences.

I think we should be grateful that they're even trying to acknowledge and reconcile 35 years of conflicting designs rather than nitpick a plastic color here or half an inch of height there, but I get the appeal of complaining, it's fun.

Sabrblade wrote:If they really wanted to give this toy Marvel colors, the gray would be light blue instead.

The blue conveys lighting, like with superman's hair in vintage comics. It's like saying the MPs aren't cartoon accurate since they dont have cell shading.

Just got an email from BBTS, they have Selects Galvatron up for Pre-order as well (has arrival date of November, which seems more likely than September). I'm sure Pulse will have it up within the next few minutes.

o.supreme wrote:Just got an email from BBTS, they have Selects Galvatron up for Pre-order as well (has arrival date of November, which seems more likely than September). I'm sure Pulse will have it up within the next few minutes.

Aaaannnnd its been ordered lol I've been spamming F5 on the Pulse site but nothing yet.