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tigertracks 24 wrote:Is this comic series guilty of fanwank?
Darth Bombshell wrote:tigertracks 24 wrote:Is this comic series guilty of fanwank?
I take issue with the description of this series as "fanwank." While it is true that this series might be guilty of overly fanwankery, it's also a lot of other things: engaging, fun, not guilty of treating the intelligence of the reader like that of a twelve year old, not looking for all the world like it was written by a twelve year old, and most important, treating with respect what came before.
In other words, everything the other two major titles of the G1 brand (Bumblebee and the ongoing), have not been.
So I say, let people call it fanwank. Personally, if it leads to stuff like this, I'm all for the fan being wanked. (And wow, that SO did not come out the way I meant it to...)
tigertracks 24 wrote:Just so you know, I agree, I love it, but it has been discussed that there is fanwankery about with this series.
I personally just enjoy it. I try not to read too much into the whole thing.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
First-Aid wrote:I much prefer the new G1 take. It's more original, and is going places the original series didn't.
First-Aid wrote:And that is EXACTLY why most of you don't like it; it's not Simon Furman, it's not old school Marvel, it's not a regugitation of Transformers lore from the 80's.
First-Aid wrote:That being said, I am enjoy the Wreckers series as well. As different as the ongoing series is, the Wreckers series is more "same ol same ol". And that's why it's so popular with the fanboys.
tigertracks 24 wrote:Jeysie, please read for yourself and let me know what you think about Prowl after you are done.
tigertracks 24 wrote:But I do want him to understand why he is an Autobot and not a Decepticon. And that line is drawn not only by the badge you wear, but by the choices you make.
Jeysie wrote:tigertracks 24 wrote:Jeysie, please read for yourself and let me know what you think about Prowl after you are done.
I'm going to... but honestly, based on your misconception in your replies of logic vs. emotion regards being good/evil, I'm not holding out much hope for it being the type of story I'd been hoping to get as opposed to the one I was afraid we'd get.tigertracks 24 wrote:But I do want him to understand why he is an Autobot and not a Decepticon. And that line is drawn not only by the badge you wear, but by the choices you make.
Prowl is and always has been an Autobot. I covered this more in detail in the other thread, but basically your mistake is thinking you have to be a pure paladin-type who never compromises in order to be a true good guy. Life isn't that black and white, and good adult fiction shouldn't be either, IMHO.
Plus, honestly, that sort of black and whiteness just bad from a storytelling perspective too. There was a lot of good storytelling potential from the progress and fallout you'd get if AHM #15's storyhooks were continued and developed. There's boo all for interesting storytelling if Prowl's just the same old usual goodie-goodie Autobot-type with everything from AHM #15 simply dropped. I'm almost sorry we got that story, not because it's not awesome, but because I knew IDW's other writers likely wouldn't be able to live up to it.
tigertracks 24 wrote:Please understand, my 'misconceoptions' are just meanderings. I'm not a writer, and Transformers or TF lore is not my paid profession.
tigertracks 24 wrote:So while you want a character for adult fiction (write some, or if you already have, share it), I am linking Prowl more to my childhood/cartoon version of him in which yes, good guys are making choices for the greater good, no matter what their personality is. If they aren't, they are bad guys, right.
Mkall wrote:I may have missed the explanation, but why does the all-powerful judging computer, which holds sway over the entire Justice system on a planet require an Autobot to COMMIT SUICIDE to run?
To me that seemed completely un-necessary. Other than that, completely awesome.
The reveal was good. I hadn't built it up in my head so I was wasn't let down at all. I was actually disturbed by Twin Twist's torture and demise. I'm interested to see what will happen to Ironfist now that his head contains Aequitas and he blacks out all the time... maybe it will become sentient and take over his body when he blacks out?
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
txex97 wrote:I'm late to the party, considering that I didn't grab this issue until a couple of days ago.
I really like Last Stand of the Wreckers, but the entire business surrounding Aequitas leaves a lot to be desired. Hopefully, with the last issue of the series, questions will be answered satisfactorily.
1. An "infallible" computer judge? Judgments & sentences are, by their very nature, subjective. I don't see how a computer using some sort of algorithms can be "infallible." Seems too convenient, a la The Magnificence (itself the worst plot contrivance in TF canon), to me.
2. Re: needing either the G-9 command crew or a spark donation to boot up Aequitas - I realize the importance of the info stored on Aequitas' hard drive, but this was a major design flaw which seemed to me a convenient excuse to get rid of the Jumpstarters. I realize G-9 is a formidable garrison, but to leave the password to the command crew doesn't seem like much of a fail-safe to me. As Fort Max showed, they could be captured & used to break the lock. In Fort Max's case, it hadn't happened yet, but TFs have time to wait.
I think of nuclear submarines whereby different people have different keys, all of which must be had to launch nuclear missiles. That seems like a much better security feature than what was done w/ Aequitas.
3. How can the hard drive of a HUGE supercomputer be downloaded into a SMALL 'bot? I'm sure Ironfist's accident will explain his suitability for having a supercomputer's hard drive downloaded into his brain, but that too seems too convenient.
As far as non-Aequitas-related gripes go, I realize the Wreckers have a reputation for doing whatever it takes to get the job done, but I think they have a special bond that isn't found in the Autobot rank-and-file. Therefore, it doesn't seem congruent that they'd go in knowing that they'd probably have to sacrifice one of their own, even if it wound up being one member of the "second string."
Jeysie wrote:First-Aid wrote:I much prefer the new G1 take. It's more original, and is going places the original series didn't.
Er... I think you have this a bit backwards.
The -ations were original. The story and characters all went in a lot of creative and unique directions that hadn't been done in the G1 stories I'm familiar with, at least, and it felt like it was really building to something interesting.
And then AHM basically threw out everything that was new and unique to retread several old cliches and turn everyone from their previous reinvented selves into more Sunbow-ish versions of themselves, as well as throwing out the more little-used characters in favor of the '84 crowd that always seems to get the spotlight.
The ongoing is somewhat better, but it still carries on the cliche characterization, as well as making several characters act like idiots on top of it. Further, it's gone from the previous interesting grey back to the "bleeding heart good guys and bad guys who stab each other in the back even when it's not in their best interest" type of characterization. We also go from an interesting treatment of humans not being important to the same "humans are special" attitude.
Personally, I wish the new G1 take actually was original, as it would soften the sting of losing the unique take the series started out with. There was a real step for AHM to do something new and interesting... but instead we have the Decepticons going around doing random damage on Earth and the Autobots moping around uselessly.
And then there was a real step for the ongoing to do something different with the Swindle & Hot Rod setup... but nope, the sudden and inevitable betrayal occurs and we're instead back to the same status quo instead of forging something actually new.
First-Aid wrote:And that is EXACTLY why most of you don't like it; it's not Simon Furman, it's not old school Marvel, it's not a regugitation of Transformers lore from the 80's.
First-Aid wrote:That being said, I am enjoy the Wreckers series as well. As different as the ongoing series is, the Wreckers series is more "same ol same ol". And that's why it's so popular with the fanboys.
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