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Autobot N wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I have to say that the only Legacy toy I'm currently looking forward to is Skids.

That's it.

Based on all we've seen thus far (at least that's been newsed), Skids is the only one I'm particularly anticipating. And Bulkhead is the only other one I rate as particularly neat, just not on my "get" list. The others are all either under "Disappointing", "Waste of a slot", or "Don't know enough."

Skids is also the only one I have on preorder, and IIRC Beast Wars Inferno and Tarantulas are coming in the line as well. Those are the only ones along with maybe Blitzwing that I'll get. Though I still think Blitzwing should have been in SS86.

I'm not really sure what difference Blitzwing being in SS86 or Legacy makes. It'd still be the same toy

Not necessarily. In Legacy more liberties can be taken with deco and design. In SS86 he would have to look just like he did on screen.

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:ER Starscream was re relased in SS86 with minimal tooling and paint differences, and some extra "stuff" to make it a leader.

Which also canceled his Kingdom rerelease.

I was wondering if that happened. Thanks for letting me know.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:ER Starscream was re relased in SS86 with minimal tooling and paint differences, and some extra "stuff" to make it a leader.

Which also canceled his Kingdom rerelease.

I was wondering if that happened. Thanks for letting me know.

Yeah, Blaster replaced his slot, but not his number.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Not necessarily. In Legacy more liberties can be taken with deco and design. In SS86 he would have to look just like he did on screen.

You mean like with Studio Series Cyclonus and Kingdom Scourge here?



Oh wait, I seem to have gotten that backwards.

Emerje

Get over it, people: The subline labels aren't as meaningful anymore when it comes to neo-G1 stuff. The main meaning of the SS86 label isn't strictly movie accuracy since all the neo-G1 TFTM toys are going for that; it's movie focus. The characters sold under that banner are primarily TFTM newbies, with a few featured-but-not-introduced-in-the-movie characters to round out the assortments.

And tbh the only Kingdom TFTM mold with particularly noticeable liberties vs. the movie is Ultra Magnus, because he's a retool.

As for the SS86 labeling on BB Cliffjumper, it's just an attempt to make his accurate-layout-but-KO-grade deco more exciting.



Moving on from that... My feeling that Legacy should be paused in favor of an Earthrise restock is only getting stronger. There are two particularly good toys (Skids and Bulkhead) and one okay toy (Laser Optimus, who while he pales next to the original is less pathetic in the trailer dept. than ER Optimus) among what we've actually properly seen, and the rest are disappointments (Thanks for screwing up Menasor twice, HasTak!) or just unknown quantities beyond name.

Meanwhile, what is a known quantity is every ER Seeker not named Starscream got scalped horrendously and is now being resold at annoying prices, and several ER Deluxes cost $50-$60 on eBay. There are tail-end SIEGE toys in a similar boat.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Get over it, people: The subline labels aren't as meaningful anymore when it comes to neo-G1 stuff. The main meaning of the SS86 label isn't strictly movie accuracy since all the neo-G1 TFTM toys are going for that; it's movie focus. The characters sold under that banner are primarily TFTM newbies, with a few featured-but-not-introduced-in-the-movie characters to round out the assortments.

And tbh the only Kingdom TFTM mold with particularly noticeable liberties vs. the movie is Ultra Magnus, because he's a retool.

As for the SS86 labeling on BB Cliffjumper, it's just an attempt to make his accurate-layout-but-KO-grade deco more exciting.



Moving on from that... My feeling that Legacy should be paused in favor of an Earthrise restock is only getting stronger. There are two particularly good toys (Skids and Bulkhead) and one okay toy (Laser Optimus, who while he pales next to the original is less pathetic in the trailer dept. than ER Optimus) among what we've actually properly seen, and the rest are disappointments (Thanks for screwing up Menasor twice, HasTak!) or just unknown quantities beyond name.

Meanwhile, what is a known quantity is every ER Seeker not named Starscream got scalped horrendously and is now being resold at annoying prices, and several ER Deluxes cost $50-$60 on eBay. There are tail-end SIEGE toys in a similar boat.

"The distribution of WfC retailer exclusives was bad" has as much to do with the Legacy line as "SS86 and Kingdom are the same line / are completely unrelated lines."

Well isn't WFC finished anyway with the release of Blaster and the shipment of Terrorsaur? So we might see some stores put out backstock, but Hasbro itself won't release any more figures, right?

Thew got an early copy of Legacy Bulkhead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlfIJth8YZM

His reviews are obviously a lot sillier than others, but it gives us a good look at the toy and gimmicks.

Spider5800 wrote:Thew got an early copy of Legacy Bulkhead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlfIJth8YZM

His reviews are obviously a lot sillier than others, but it gives us a good look at the toy and gimmicks.

I love how They addressed the "tealleaves" first.

I agree with Thew that this tow itself is not bad, just generic and Bulkhead deserved better.
Still gonna buy it though.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I love how They addressed the "tealleaves" first.

I agree with Thew that this tow itself is not bad, just generic and Bulkhead deserved better.
Still gonna buy it though.

I think it was more a response to what happened recently with Mattell having 2 YouTube toy review channels shut down even though they legit purchased new Jurassic World Dominion toys from an online retailer. They got shut down because "spoilers".

I would be weary of anyone reviewing new KotB toys, even if they are kid oriented. Hasbro dosen't seem to care about free advertising of most of their toys, even if obtained unscrupulously. But for a brand new movie, Paramount might lean on Hasbro harder.

o.supreme wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I love how They addressed the "tealleaves" first.

I agree with Thew that this toy itself is not bad, just generic and Bulkhead deserved better.
Still gonna buy it though.

I think it was more a response to what happened recently with Mattell having 2 YouTube toy review channels shut down even though they legit purchased new Jurassic World Dominion toys from an online retailer. They got shut down because "spoilers".

I would be weary of anyone reviewing new KotB toys, even if they are kid oriented. Hasbro dosen't seem to care about free advertising of most of their toys, even if obtained unscrupulously. But for a brand new movie, Paramount might lean on Hasbro harder.

Oh yeah, you're right about that one.

What a shitshow. Mattel is truly out of touch regarding free online advertising. Especially when that advertising is worth MILLIONS and going against it is like spending money to ruin your reputation. Akin to some game/movie producers who defend their flawed products against dissatisfied fans by telling them "If you don't like it, don't buy it." Then Pikachu-face when sales go down the drain.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I love how They addressed the "tealleaves" first.

I agree with Thew that this toy itself is not bad, just generic and Bulkhead deserved better.
Still gonna buy it though.

I think it was more a response to what happened recently with Mattell having 2 YouTube toy review channels shut down even though they legit purchased new Jurassic World Dominion toys from an online retailer. They got shut down because "spoilers".

I would be weary of anyone reviewing new KotB toys, even if they are kid oriented. Hasbro dosen't seem to care about free advertising of most of their toys, even if obtained unscrupulously. But for a brand new movie, Paramount might lean on Hasbro harder.

Oh yeah, you're right about that one.

What a shitshow. Mattel is truly out of touch regarding free online advertising. Especially when that advertising is worth MILLIONS and going against it is like spending money to ruin your reputation. Akin to some game/movie producers who defend their flawed products against dissatisfied fans by telling them "If you don't like it, don't buy it." Then Pikachu-face when sales go down the drain.

I only know about this debacle in the most headline skimmy of ways, but is it possible Paramount dropped the hammer on Mattel to crack down on it - and were the toys in question for the upcoming movie?

On the surface (which is as far as I even want to go on this), it looks bad.

sol magnus wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I love how They addressed the "tealleaves" first.

I agree with Thew that this toy itself is not bad, just generic and Bulkhead deserved better.
Still gonna buy it though.

I think it was more a response to what happened recently with Mattell having 2 YouTube toy review channels shut down even though they legit purchased new Jurassic World Dominion toys from an online retailer. They got shut down because "spoilers".

I would be weary of anyone reviewing new KotB toys, even if they are kid oriented. Hasbro dosen't seem to care about free advertising of most of their toys, even if obtained unscrupulously. But for a brand new movie, Paramount might lean on Hasbro harder.

Oh yeah, you're right about that one.

What a shitshow. Mattel is truly out of touch regarding free online advertising. Especially when that advertising is worth MILLIONS and going against it is like spending money to ruin your reputation. Akin to some game/movie producers who defend their flawed products against dissatisfied fans by telling them "If you don't like it, don't buy it." Then Pikachu-face when sales go down the drain.

I only know about this debacle in the most headline skimmy of ways, but is it possible Paramount dropped the hammer on Mattel to crack down on it - and were the toys in question for the upcoming movie?

On the surface (which is as far as I even want to go on this), it looks bad.

If I may throw in my two cents (while attempting on steering the thread back to Legacy):

Funny the OP mentioned "spoilers", because you may not realize this, but people may actually wanna see any given movie first before letting themselves be exposed to related merchandise, especially that of later parts of the movie. Spoilers destroy the fun of watching a movie for the first time, as in not knowing what may happen next, and may even deter people from watching it in the first place; the surprise and therefore the fun, is gone. And let me tell you, people are sue-happy in the US, with that they can claim "lost potential revenue". That's what Street Dates are for

RotB should be safe, as the early waves of any given movie toyline feature revealed main characters, giving time for the dust to settle as it were, and Legacy should be safe for not having a theatrical movie tie-in to spoil

I agree in that spoilers should be avoided. However if that is the case, then the studio should hold the toy manufacturer accountable to make sure the toys don't even begin shipping to retailers until said movie is released,much less have them available for purchase.

If unscrupulous individuals post pics from toy shows not open to the public, or steal toys, then sure, come down on them hard. But if you truly don't want to be spoiled for a movie in this day and age, the only way to do that is not go online at all.

That is the only reason I mentioned RotB. I figured Legacy is safe, and SS is only focusing on older films.

Since RotB had been pushed back a year though, and perhaps any SS toys that might make it to market before June 2023, things might get risky for legit TF toy reviewers.

sol magnus wrote:I only know about this debacle in the most headline skimmy of ways, but is it possible Paramount dropped the hammer on Mattel to crack down on it - and were the toys in question for the upcoming movie?

On the surface (which is as far as I even want to go on this), it looks bad.

Jurassic World is a Universal property. Notably, it's not just a Universal movie, but Universal IP. Other toy reviewers like Pixel Dan said that the takedown was likely driven by Universal rather than Mattel based on his own experiences with past Jurassic World NDAs.

I think the risk of Paramount doing something similar for Transformers is very low since Hasbro is the owner of the IP. The licensing relationship is basically the opposite of Jurassic Park and Mattel, and Hasbro has not generally tried to directly challenge this kind of thing.

The figures will be out for a whole year before RotB, I don't see what the point of taking down reviews would be. They can't keep it a secret for that long

I don't consider characters a spoiler, only events and places that would basically reveal something you don't want to know until you see the movie.

There's been a couple of in-hand reviews for Legacy Kickback already, but looking at them again, I'm surprised that the toy passed the safety standards. The insect wings being made out of hard plastic seem a little "stabby". Not that I really mind, I just don't want to read any unfortunate headlines in the future.

Thew definitely put it best: Legacy Bulkhead is a good toy, but not a good bulkhead, a figure made good by the name on it moreso than a name with a good figure of the character.

The shipping date for my Bulkhead pre-order has been moved up again, from 1st April to 22nd February. I would be happy about this, but I'm in the process of moving out of my current address and the new shipping date is mere days before I hand my keys back to the landlord, and it's now too late to change the shipping address. I just hope Hasbro Pulse doesn't pull the same crap with my Arcee pre-order out of the blue and move the shipping date to just before or just after I move out.

Munkky wrote:The shipping date for my Bulkhead pre-order has been moved up again, from 1st April to 22nd February. I would be happy about this, but I'm in the process of moving out of my current address and the new shipping date is mere days before I hand my keys back to the landlord, and it's now too late to change the shipping address. I just hope Hasbro Pulse doesn't pull the same crap with my Arcee pre-order out of the blue and move the shipping date to just before or just after I move out.

I don't know where you're located, but in the States you can often provide alternate shipping directions to the shipper, redirecting or holding packages. If that's not an option where you are, I'm sorry I can't be more helpful.

I can't believe I'm going to buy the Galvatron mold a fourth time! Hasbro confirms no battle damage deco in the Legacy rerelease.
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I can't get your photo to link.

There are articles about it on other sites as well. Well I'm happy for those that wanted a clean Galvatron. I'm not getting it, but I'm nto upset either. AS I am a fan of Combiners and the cross play patterns offered in WFC most of my Faction leader purchases were incidental. I got ER Prime, and Kingdom Rodimus because their trailers are Airlock compatible. I got Netflix Siege Megatorn because it came with 2 Battle Masters (the only version of this mold that I own). I really had no reason to get Kingdom Galvatron, but as time went on, I figured, having Rodimus w/o Glavatron was unbalanced, so I got it. The deco dosen't bother me, it is fine as is.

Come to think of it now, I have (or will have) in Generations form; every faction leader from the original series, except Deszaurus (if they ever make one) .

o.supreme wrote:Come to think of it now, I have (or will have) in Generations form; every faction leader from the original series, except Deszaurus (if they ever make one) .

Unless by some miracle you can track down the BotCon 2005 one for a decent price.