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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby AcademyofDrX » Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:44 am

primalxconvoy wrote:
Cheetron wrote:I already have 3 versions of this mold. Do I want another? Not really. Is it unique enough to make me want it? Nope. Does it have the shoulder fix? I can't tell.

And he would win that fight. Vs Laser Prime. Mr I can only move my arms to the side lol.


I suspect the shoulder is fixed. I noticed the shoulders are fixed on the regular version that was released in Japan.

The fix was just a running change to correct a QC error, I can't imagine they'll revert to the earlier incorrect configuration.

Re: earlier post about battle damage, since so many Siege figures were rereleased in Earthrise, the battle damage helps further differentiate those. For us suckers who bought both, the deco takes a little of the sting out. My collecting goal was always based on the G1 cartoon, but Siege ended up giving me a whole set of Cybertronians in parallel, just as advertised.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Hellscream9999 » Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:57 am

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Cheetron wrote:And he would win that fight. Vs Laser Prime. Mr I can only move my arms to the side lol.

What are you on about, laser prime has normal arm movement :???:
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Autobot N » Wed Feb 23, 2022 7:13 am

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Cheetron wrote:And he would win that fight. Vs Laser Prime. Mr I can only move my arms to the side lol.

What are you on about, laser prime has normal arm movement :???:
Yeah, the flap on the front of the shoulder moves up to let Laser Prime move his arms forwards
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby primalxconvoy » Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:25 am

Perhaps they'll upscale Shockwave and release Astrotrain, sans cr@pple-damage and with a cover for his exposed parts?

Here's hoping...
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Emerje » Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:12 am

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cruizerdave wrote:I thought this was figured out a long time ago.


Yes it was known via leaked photos, but today Hasbro Confirmed.


I'm pretty sure I saw a picture of it ages ago too, plus it's been widely assumed/known it was this version.

I'd like to see this leaked photo you're talking about, I've only seen the stock photo and already explained why that wasn't evidence of anything (meaning it was always just assumed and never known) and still isn't accurate to what Hasbro described.

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

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F'eh. The battle damage deco was never a big deal as far as I'm concerned. Doesn't make me want to run out and spend $50+ for a duplicate figure that only has some patches cleared off.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Sentinel_Primal » Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:53 pm

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Honestly, I'd hope that removing the battle damage would have added paint to the cannon to make it the solid color. As is, feels like they ran out of paint budget and are just covering for it by saying it's them listening to fans
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Sowndwave76 » Wed Feb 23, 2022 8:16 pm

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Sowndwave76 wrote:However, like I said, I look at this Buzzworthy Kup as a very, very recent reference.

That Kup is technically still a SS86 figure so it makes sense for them to want to find a way to fix all the complaints of the first release and make him even more screen accurate. But Galvatron doesn't have any reason to be more or less accurate to anything and I'm surprised they even bothered removing the damage considering how much people complained about it throughout all of WFC.

I still wouldn't be surprised if we got a Studio Series Galvatron repaint at some point, maybe in Buzzworthy Bumblebee.

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The main complaint about Kup was his head/face sculpt. There was very little talked about that I can remember about the colors they used for him.
For Galvatron, no, it's not about being more accurate to anything, but changing the color could still help Hastak sell more copies of this repack, so that's reason enough to consider it a possibility.

But in either case for either figure, it's really difficult to believe that these changes were made due to "listening to the fans/collectors".
Sure, that may be the truth. But as I've said before, just because Hastak says something, doesn't mean it's legit.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Feb 23, 2022 8:26 pm

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Sowndwave76 wrote:The main complaint about Kup was his head/face sculpt. There was very little talked about that I can remember about the colors they used for him.
Maybe not around here on this board, but elsewhere people were talking about how Hasbro used an inaccurate fan colored character model as a reference for the deco of SS Kup's altmode, which they corrected for the Buzzworthy Bumblebee version.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Emerje » Wed Feb 23, 2022 8:32 pm

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Sentinel_Primal wrote:Honestly, I'd hope that removing the battle damage would have added paint to the cannon to make it the solid color. As is, feels like they ran out of paint budget and are just covering for it by saying it's them listening to fans

I think you might be in the minority, people tend to prefer the clear canon. Though you do bring up a good point, they're going to presumably save a lot of money on this release by removing paint apps. It'd be nice if they put the paint into something else like the missing paint from his belt buckle.

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Sowndwave76 » Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:00 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
Sowndwave76 wrote:The main complaint about Kup was his head/face sculpt. There was very little talked about that I can remember about the colors they used for him.
Maybe not around here on this board, but elsewhere people were talking about how Hasbro used an inaccurate fan colored character model as a reference for the deco of SS Kup's altmode, which they corrected for the Buzzworthy Bumblebee version.


This could be 100% true...
But Hastak making a product based on colors from a fan-made character model???????
That just screams false rumor...
Although I don't care either way-- I'm glad we're getting the Buzzworthy version!
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:13 pm

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Sowndwave76 wrote:But in either case for either figure, it's really difficult to believe that these changes were made due to "listening to the fans/collectors".
Sure, that may be the truth. But as I've said before, just because Hastak says something, doesn't mean it's legit.


I do believe they "listened to the fans". Production take time. It have the slow start and the breaking power of a 10km long train pulled by 4 engines. They did plan to re-release Galvatron a 3rd time in Legacy. Fans complained about the gribbles "damage" from day one when it came out in Kingdom. So for the Legacy edition, they were able to tell themselves "why not" and simply turn off the "battle damage" switch. If they didn't listen, Galvatron in Legacy would have remain unchanged.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:20 pm

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Sowndwave76 wrote:But Hastak making a product based on colors from a fan-made character model???????
That just screams false rumor...
It's happened several times before. Those Ukranian fansite character models are all over Pinterest, Instagram, and various Fandom wikis.

For example, RED Soundwave's color layout was based on this Ukranian character model with blue shins. His shins were light gray in the cartoon, as shown in the circled excerpt of his legs seen in the center of the image, taken from the official cartoon coloring:

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Here's what Soundwave's cartoon colors are supposed to be:

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Sentinel_Primal » Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:35 pm

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Emerje wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:Honestly, I'd hope that removing the battle damage would have added paint to the cannon to make it the solid color. As is, feels like they ran out of paint budget and are just covering for it by saying it's them listening to fans

I think you might be in the minority, people tend to prefer the clear canon. Though you do bring up a good point, they're going to presumably save a lot of money on this release by removing paint apps. It'd be nice if they put the paint into something else like the missing paint from his belt buckle.

Emerje

Honestly I don't care one way or the other about the cannon (I actually really like the current version), I just care about being charged the same price for less paint (ignoring the added cost from the rumored/revealed change in shipping to help with supply). Honestly it's a very minor gripe though
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:49 pm

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Sentinel_Primal wrote:Honestly I don't care one way or the other about the cannon (I actually really like the current version), I just care about being charged the same price for less paint (ignoring the added cost from the rumored/revealed change in shipping to help with supply). Honestly it's a very minor gripe though


Be thankful to not be charged MORE. By the time that new Galvatron comes out, it may very well happen.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Nemesis Primal » Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:33 pm

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Sowndwave76 wrote:But Hastak making a product based on colors from a fan-made character model???????
That just screams false rumor...
It's happened several times before. Those Ukranian fansite character models are all over Pinterest, Instagram, and various Fandom wikis.

For example, RED Soundwave's color layout was based on this Ukranian character model with blue shins. His shins were light gray in the cartoon, as shown in the circled excerpt of his legs seen in the center of the image, taken from the official cartoon coloring:

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Here's what Soundwave's cartoon colors are supposed to be:

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It's not limited to the non-mainline stuff like RED either, Kingdom Pipes is an even more recent example.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:50 pm

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Nemesis Primal wrote:It's not limited to the non-mainline stuff like RED either, Kingdom Pipes is an even more recent example.
Siege Astrotrain, Earthrise Grapple, the aforementioned SS86 Kup, Siege Reflector (and BotCon CW Reflector too), Pit of Judgement Quintesson Bailiff, the list goes on.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Hero Alpha » Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:15 pm

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Sowndwave76 wrote:But Hastak making a product based on colors from a fan-made character model???????
That just screams false rumor...
It's happened several times before. Those Ukranian fansite character models are all over Pinterest, Instagram, and various Fandom wikis.

For example, RED Soundwave's color layout was based on this Ukranian character model with blue shins. His shins were light gray in the cartoon, as shown in the circled excerpt of his legs seen in the center of the image, taken from the official cartoon coloring:

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Here's what Soundwave's cartoon colors are supposed to be:

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Is there a site that has all or a lot of those Sunbow character model sheets u just showed?
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby o.supreme » Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:22 pm

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I may be mistaken, but most of the models seem to come from "The Ark" character design books published by IDW ( Jim Sorenson and Bill Foster). Those were all just B&W sketches however, not sure who went to all the trouble to digitally color them
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:44 pm

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Moonshot wrote:Is there a site that has all or a lot of those Sunbow character model sheets u just showed?
Yes. They can be found here. A fan named D.M has gone to great, painstaking lengths of tracking down the correct, finalized character models used by Toei and digitally recreating their official colorings using Toei's color palettes for each model. He has also recreated early, non-final colorings for preliminary models that help to show the evolutionary development of the models and their colorings, from non-final to final.

o.supreme wrote:I may be mistaken, but most of the models seem to come from "The Ark" character design books published by IDW ( Jim Sorenson and Bill Foster). Those were all just B&W sketches however, not sure who went to all the trouble to digitally color them
Many of the models used in the Ark books were early, non-final ones with certain details that differed from the final models. In the years since those books' publishing, many more discoveries have been made:
In the years since The Ark series books were published, multiple model sheet collections and production bibles have surfaced through auction sites, social media and fan archive blogs, revealing that the majority of the models from the original cartoon that Bob Budiansky and Jim Sorenson had in their collective possession at the time of publishing, were not final. The bulk of the season 2 character models (as well as a few others) published in the books were older models that had received several revisions before making it into the cartoon, meaning that some of the details that can be found on these models had either been removed or redesigned afterwards, hence why some of them don't match up with what can be seen on-screen.

Several of the season 3 model sheets that appear in the books—such as the ones for the Predacons, Pipes, Swerve and Sky Lynx—all received entirely new models by Toei, different from what was originally drawn up, with Sky Lynx and the Predacons drawn from angles that are much more stylistic when compared to the standard ¾ angles used in past seasons, and feature large black shadows underneath their rear-view models, which also hadn't been used until this point. Also among the drastic changes in the art style are the "boxier" hand designs used on the Predacons, which would be utilized more frequently in the subsequent Japanese cartoons like The Headmasters, instead of the rounded hands that were more common in Floro Dery's work for seasons 1 and 2.

Also discovered years after the book series was published, were models for The Transformers: The Movie that were either not known about or fully understood at the time of publishing, such as the unique head design that appears alongside Rodimus Prime's models in the books. For years, the fandom assumed the boxy Rodimus model used in the books was the model used in the film and season 3, but it was actually scrapped in favor of the sleeker design used for Hot Rod's final model. Rather than designing an entirely new model sheet for Rodimus that fit the slender aesthetic they wanted, all that was designed was a new head with the animators simply instructed to draw a larger version of Hot Rod's body with Rodimus's head slapped on top. Because of this, no official robot mode model exists for Rodimus, just a head design.

The Junkions Junkyard and Scrapheap were also given entirely new models by Toei for the movie, that had parts matching the other non-Wreck-Gar Junkions, giving them a collective "mix and match"-type design, rather than the two stand-alone designs drawn by Floro Dery. The problem with the Junkion models though, is that the only known trace of the final Toei Junkion models as of 2022, is a small section in the back of the Transformers Generations guidebooks. That being said, Dery's original designs for these two Junkions did still appear in season 3 of the cartoon, due to AKOM animating the two episodes they appeared in.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby o.supreme » Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:50 pm

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Thank you. I knew about some of the addendums but not all. I know having the drawings online is nice, but I'd definitely be up for an updated book that has colored final designs for all the animation models, both Sunbow and Toei.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Sowndwave76 » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:03 pm

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Look, I'm not trying to argue, because frankly I don't care that much, and it usually doesn't make much difference to me.

But the fact that there's a lengthy list of figures that don't exactly follow the accurate character models doesn't mean Hastak has continuously been duped into incorrect colorings of said figures.

I get, sure, that's maybe the explanation. I can admit that's a possibility.
But more realistically, as I've mentioned before with other topics,
this happens because Hastak is going to do whatever they want.
And of course, some of their statements and reasonings in different situations is legit. But I personally don't believe that's the case 100% of the time, or even the vast majority of the time.

So in the case of R.E.D. Soundwave, it's not like Hastak doesn't know the front of his lower legs have those rectangles on them... They've used those shapes (maybe with slightly different colors) on multiple figures, including the MP figure.
Claiming that R.E.D. figure is missing those shapes due to some mix-up, or someone being misled by some drawing...
Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds??
There was no confusion. Hastak chose to not add those simply because they could. Someone or some people were okay with it, so they went with it. If there really was some "outside influence", it was most likely the budget-- those figures don't exactly boast tons of paint apps. In fact most of the recent converting figures don't have tons of paint.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:07 am

Motto: "My past no longer binds my future..."
Weapon: Battle Blades
MP Soundwave and R.E.D Soundwave were done by different people though, different companies even. Takara has nothing to do with Red.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Cheetron » Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:30 am

AcademyofDrX wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:
Cheetron wrote:I already have 3 versions of this mold. Do I want another? Not really. Is it unique enough to make me want it? Nope. Does it have the shoulder fix? I can't tell.

And he would win that fight. Vs Laser Prime. Mr I can only move my arms to the side lol.


I suspect the shoulder is fixed. I noticed the shoulders are fixed on the regular version that was released in Japan.

The fix was just a running change to correct a QC error, I can't imagine they'll revert to the earlier incorrect configuration.

Re: earlier post about battle damage, since so many Siege figures were rereleased in Earthrise, the battle damage helps further differentiate those. For us suckers who bought both, the deco takes a little of the sting out. My collecting goal was always based on the G1 cartoon, but Siege ended up giving me a whole set of Cybertronians in parallel, just as advertised.



I was mostly talking about how bad primes arms are. It's a mega turn off for me. But another purple king? I have to admit I am tempted.
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