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Burn wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Not unless the original wasn't really good to begin with (as was the case with Animated Voyager Optimus being stuck with a bad Automorph that greatly destabilized the figure, a mouthplate gimmick that only barely revealed his face beneath it, and a weapon that could only generously be described as an "axe"; his Deluxe molds were much better figures, but weren't big enough).Burn wrote:Most Animated figures that have/may get a "modern" make over fall into the trap of "It's hard to top the original"
Hence why I said "MOST". I'm well aware there was a couple of stinkers, but most of the others will be hard to top.
-Kanrabat- wrote:And I suppose Animated Bulkhead already count at being remade in Legacy? If not, that's another one that will be hard to top. That old voyager was stellar, ¸aside being too small.
It was intended to be Prime Bulkhead. But aside from being green, it looked nothing like him from the neck down.Burn wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:And I suppose Animated Bulkhead already count at being remade in Legacy? If not, that's another one that will be hard to top. That old voyager was stellar, ¸aside being too small.
They really should give it another go, that's if it was intended as a modern take on Animated Bulkhead.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:It was intended to be Prime Bulkhead. But aside from being green, it looked nothing like him from the neck down.Burn wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:And I suppose Animated Bulkhead already count at being remade in Legacy? If not, that's another one that will be hard to top. That old voyager was stellar, ¸aside being too small.
They really should give it another go, that's if it was intended as a modern take on Animated Bulkhead.
AcademyofDrX wrote:"Almost exactly like the original, just remove the play features" really is a Generations collector mindset, huh.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:"Almost exactly like the original, just remove the play features" really is a Generations collector mindset, huh.
I wanted to come to this quote, because this is an interesting concept that I am split on. And I will use 2 easy figures to compare:
Armada Optimus vs Megatron.
Armada Optimus is my figure of the year. They took the original, removed the electronic gimmicks, gave him a matrix gimmick and more posing, as well as a more complete trailer transformation. They took what to me was not an overly exciting gimmick, and traded it for a much more involved transformation that provided a much more satisfying combination gimmick. In my mind, they complete overhauled him and made him different but the same but made him better.
Armada Megatron is sort of the opposite, he is one of my Top 5 disappointments in 2023. They took the original, removed all of the gimmicks but the torso turret part, and gave him articulation. Problem is, they did not supplement the removal of his old gimmicks with more convincing good ones. He can actually pose sure, but the original Megatron is such a fun toy, and all that was fun about him was removed and not really replaced with anything. We will see if Tidal Wave helps make him a better/more fun toy.
And that sort of is my deal: is what was taken from the original at least equated by what was given to the new one? A couple other examples:
Cyberverse Windblade now has articulation and a sword, something none of her toys actually had. She is a win.
Animated Optimus has a much better head and weapon, and there really weren't any sacrifices outside of the waist autotransformation, which was not a very good gimmick to begin with to me. To me, both are winners, but in different ways thanks to the different approaches.
Transmetal 2 Megatron swapped the wing flapping gimmick and 3rd mode for articulation, and included the effects for fire breath. To me, he wins out over the original because the original was hindered by those gimmicks.
So it all comes down to the opinion on the gimmicks really. Ones named above show how they found a balance of a trade off, as well as Armada Megatron showing how they didn't.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:"Almost exactly like the original, just remove the play features" really is a Generations collector mindset, huh.
I wanted to come to this quote, because this is an interesting concept that I am split on. And I will use 2 easy figures to compare:
Armada Optimus vs Megatron.
Armada Optimus is my figure of the year. They took the original, removed the electronic gimmicks, gave him a matrix gimmick and more posing, as well as a more complete trailer transformation. They took what to me was not an overly exciting gimmick, and traded it for a much more involved transformation that provided a much more satisfying combination gimmick. In my mind, they complete overhauled him and made him different but the same but made him better.
Armada Megatron is sort of the opposite, he is one of my Top 5 disappointments in 2023. They took the original, removed all of the gimmicks but the torso turret part, and gave him articulation. Problem is, they did not supplement the removal of his old gimmicks with more convincing good ones. He can actually pose sure, but the original Megatron is such a fun toy, and all that was fun about him was removed and not really replaced with anything. We will see if Tidal Wave helps make him a better/more fun toy.
And that sort of is my deal: is what was taken from the original at least equated by what was given to the new one? A couple other examples:
Cyberverse Windblade now has articulation and a sword, something none of her toys actually had. She is a win.
Animated Optimus has a much better head and weapon, and there really weren't any sacrifices outside of the waist autotransformation, which was not a very good gimmick to begin with to me. To me, both are winners, but in different ways thanks to the different approaches.
Transmetal 2 Megatron swapped the wing flapping gimmick and 3rd mode for articulation, and included the effects for fire breath. To me, he wins out over the original because the original was hindered by those gimmicks.
So it all comes down to the opinion on the gimmicks really. Ones named above show how they found a balance of a trade off, as well as Armada Megatron showing how they didn't.
I'd say both were equally terrible, distribution-wise. Walmart and Target over-ordered the first waves and skipped several later waves, resulting in Wave 1 items still clogging the shelves to this day (from both lines), while several other items from later waves never made it to the stores.Nemesis Primal wrote:Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all!
Now that we're solidly done with Legacy Evolution and people are getting their hands on United Wave 1, I'm curious to hear the consensus: which line did people think was better, the initial year of Legacy or Legacy Evolution?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
....y'know, I meant more in terms of the figures themselves and the character selections, but I suppose that's on me for not being specific enough. Distribution is an entirely other question that I'll probably now go tally up as well.Sabrblade wrote:I'd say both were equally terrible, distribution-wise. Walmart and Target over-ordered the first waves and skipped several later waves, resulting in Wave 1 items still clogging the shelves to this day (from both lines), while several other items from later waves never made it to the stores.Nemesis Primal wrote:Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all!
Now that we're solidly done with Legacy Evolution and people are getting their hands on United Wave 1, I'm curious to hear the consensus: which line did people think was better, the initial year of Legacy or Legacy Evolution?
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