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-Kanrabat- wrote:Remember when bike girls were slender and agile looking, instead of looking like THICK and BEEFY WWE stars?

Pepperidge Farms remember.

That's a funny way to describe Animated Prowl. Even the Legacy one.

Tidal Wave's packaging has seemingly confirmed Armada Universe Galvatron for Legacy: United.

Not particularly surprising, but still cool. I wonder if we'll get Armada Universe Nemesis Prime or, even better, Armada Universe Final Battle Optimus Prime.

Here's the link to the article with pictures, not posting them here in case anyone doesn't want to see upcoming reveals yet.

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:Tidal Wave's packaging has seemingly confirmed Armada Universe Galvatron for Legacy: United.

Not particularly surprising, but still cool. I wonder if we'll get Armada Universe Nemesis Prime or, even better, Armada Universe Final Battle Optimus Prime.

Here's the link to the article with pictures, not posting them here in case anyone doesn't want to see upcoming reveals yet.

He was part of leaked listings awhile back, so we knew he was coming.

Good news Armada fans and those who are fans of Titan Class robots.... Armada Universe Titan Class Tidal Wave from the Legacy United Line is up for preorder! Check out the official product photos below.

















Additionally, via product shots on the back of Tidal Wave's box, we can see how he can combine with Armada Galvatron, who's only been rumored until now.





Are you going to add this highly anticipated Titan to your collection? Let us know what you think below!

Hasbro Pulse video for Tidal Wave:



They say the box art was inspired by the PS2 game.

Even better than I hoped it would be.

Havent had a chance to watch the video yet, but I asked a while back, and nobody knew.... Does anyone see any AIRLOCK connectors for Tidal Wave? It seems odd that the design team would go out of there way to include them with The Nemesis (which doesn't have a base mode, and The Ark did not have them either).

But with Tidal Wave, to design a makeshift base Mode and then not include them would definitely be puzzling.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Remember when bike girls were slender and agile looking, instead of looking like THICK and BEEFY WWE stars?

Pepperidge Farms remember.

That's a funny way to describe Animated Prowl. Even the Legacy one.

Not really.

The original Animated Prowl was thin and slender, while the Legacy one is more stocky and "thick". A simple head-swap on the ORIGINAL Animated Prowl could work to make a fembot, despite the tiny hips. Really not so on Legacy Prowl.

Also, just compare Legacy Prime Arcee with her original design. It's night and day.

A separate post just to contain my excitement towards Titan Tidalwave!

Seriously, this thing is a MASTERPIECE. Plus the bonus parts for Megatron and that bonus base mode are GENIUS.

I'm so preordering this when the listing goes live!

I has this in my cart at Gamestop as it went out of stock and wouldn't let me complete the transaction. Never happened to me like that before.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I has this in my cart at Gamestop as it went out of stock and wouldn't let me complete the transaction. Never happened to me like that before.

You’ll never forget your first time

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Meanwhile, today:

Kapow Toys wrote:Transformers Legacy Titan Tidal Wave is due to go live on pre-order tonight, here is why you should vote with your wallets and not pre-order it.

Damn, that's a rather scathing and incredibly misguided comment from a toy retailer. Surely they must understand it's those full price pre-orders and release sales that pay for these to be produced. Them saying not to pre-order because it's definitely going to be on clearance later isn't going to tell Hasbro (and more importantly the retailers which is where Hasbro directly gets their money from, not customer sales) these cost too much, it's going to tell them people have lost interest and not to make / stock them anymore. Stuff like this depends on early adopters. That doesn't mean everyone that wants to see more like this has to buy right now, it just means a substantial number still needs to.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Meanwhile, today:

Kapow Toys wrote:Transformers Legacy Titan Tidal Wave is due to go live on pre-order tonight, here is why you should vote with your wallets and not pre-order it.

Damn, that's a rather scathing and incredibly misguided comment from a toy retailer. Surely they must understand it's those full price pre-orders and release sales that pay for these to be produced. Them saying not to pre-order because it's definitely going to be on clearance later isn't going to tell Hasbro (and more importantly the retailers which is where Hasbro directly gets their money from, not customer sales) these cost too much, it's going to tell them people have lost interest and not to make / stock them anymore. Stuff like this depends on early adopters. That doesn't mean everyone that wants to see more like this has to buy right now, it just means a substantial number still needs to.

Emerje

Also, it's not guaranteed that the year's Titan will be quickly clearanced. It was true for the Ark and Cyber Metroplex, but so far, the Nemesis remains constantly at full price and is still selling well.

Was it less produced than the previous two?
Or is the Nemesis simply cooler?

Emerje wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Meanwhile, today:

Kapow Toys wrote:Transformers Legacy Titan Tidal Wave is due to go live on pre-order tonight, here is why you should vote with your wallets and not pre-order it.

Damn, that's a rather scathing and incredibly misguided comment from a toy retailer.

And not just any retailer, either. This would be like if BBTS told the US market not to preorder Tidal Wave.

Supposedly the figure on the left in this image is the new Trailbreaker for the Autobot 5-pack.
I think it could be legit, and I’m liking how that’s looking.

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Meanwhile, today:

Kapow Toys wrote:Transformers Legacy Titan Tidal Wave is due to go live on pre-order tonight, here is why you should vote with your wallets and not pre-order it.

Damn, that's a rather scathing and incredibly misguided comment from a toy retailer.

And not just any retailer, either. This would be like if BBTS told the US market not to preorder Tidal Wave.

Going by some discussion I saw on Twitter regarding this, for the last several titans, they have sold very little stock at full retail for titans, instead being required to adopt and match sales prices and losing money on the titan class in general. Black Zarak appears to have been the biggest offender

I mean, I'm not sure what else they would use Animated Prowl for, but you know they were going to reuse it, so it makes a lot of sense that Chromia might come from that. I guess I would hope there'd be some retooling there besides just a head.

sol magnus wrote:I mean, I'm not sure what else they would use Animated Prowl for, but you know they were going to reuse it, so it makes a lot of sense that Chromia might come from that. I guess I would hope there'd be some retooling there besides just a head.

I was kinda hoping for a Road Pig retool to go with Road Rocket

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

sol magnus wrote:I mean, I'm not sure what else they would use Animated Prowl for, but you know they were going to reuse it, so it makes a lot of sense that Chromia might come from that. I guess I would hope there'd be some retooling there besides just a head.

I was kinda hoping for a Road Pig retool to go with Road Rocket

Hey, that could still happen.

sol magnus wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

sol magnus wrote:I mean, I'm not sure what else they would use Animated Prowl for, but you know they were going to reuse it, so it makes a lot of sense that Chromia might come from that. I guess I would hope there'd be some retooling there besides just a head.

I was kinda hoping for a Road Pig retool to go with Road Rocket

Hey, that could still happen.

Would also be awesome to get a repaint of that as a Laser Cycle Soundwave to go with Jazz.

We know the designers really try to envision multiple uses for every newly tooled toy that comes out, but some of them dont make it. Thus they only get one use (or perhaps are slightly retooled years later). We've definitely been given some unique ones in the past few years, but some obvious (?) ones I would think would have been a Predacon release of Kingdom Wingfinger & another use of the Legacy Evolution Crashbar mould, but we still haven't got those yet.

As for Tidal Wave. I put it in my Amazon cart, but haven't made the Pre-Order. Unlike Past Years, I'm not sure how my finances will be in July, so I figure if it goes out of stock, it will probably come back at some point.

on a different note...Titans are really unpredictable. Cybertron Metroplex you can still get for nearly 50% (Amazon has it right no for $119). But The Nemesis is going for at a minimum $250 (I've seen as high as $400) on the secondary market, nobody has it in stock for normal retail. Glad I got that one right away. I know Tidal Wave is a must have for Armada fans, but I guess the question really is...how many are there? Of course Hasbro/TT could have produced less based on past years, but I guess we wont know for several months.

o.supreme wrote:We know the designers really try to envision multiple uses for every newly tooled toy that comes out, but some of them dont make it. Thus they only get one use (or perhaps are slightly retooled years later). We've definitely been given some unique ones in the past few years, but some obvious (?) ones I would think would have been a Predacon release of Kingdom Wingfinger & another use of the Legacy Evolution Crashbar mould, but we still haven't got those yet.

In Wave 1, when Legacy was doing more significant G1-ifying of non-G1 characters (Like Knock Out and Bulkhead), I always thought the Autobot Ark might be used as a retool for Tidal Wave, given the similar-ish head sculpt and cannons.

Obviously, from Wave 2 onward Legacy started making more faithful representations of non-G1 characters, and now we have a very accurate Tidal Wave. But I still wonder if that was originally an idea they had or if they always planned to make an Armada-faithful Tidal Wave.

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:

o.supreme wrote:We know the designers really try to envision multiple uses for every newly tooled toy that comes out, but some of them dont make it. Thus they only get one use (or perhaps are slightly retooled years later). We've definitely been given some unique ones in the past few years, but some obvious (?) ones I would think would have been a Predacon release of Kingdom Wingfinger & another use of the Legacy Evolution Crashbar mould, but we still haven't got those yet.

In Wave 1, when Legacy was doing more significant G1-ifying of non-G1 characters (Like Knock Out and Bulkhead), I always thought the Autobot Ark might be used as a retool for Tidal Wave, given the similar-ish head sculpt and cannons.

Obviously, from Wave 2 onward Legacy started making more faithful representations of non-G1 characters, and now we have a very accurate Tidal Wave. But I still wonder if that was originally an idea they had or if they always planned to make an Armada-faithful Tidal Wave.

It was only the TF: Prime and Animated characters (and, bafflingly, Cyberverse Shadow Striker) that they really G1-ified, because of how heavily stylized their original aesthetics were. The Unicron Trilogy designs were always much closer to the blocky G1 aesthetic, so they never needed to be redesigned to the same extent as the Prime/Animated designs.

Sabrblade wrote:

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:

o.supreme wrote:We know the designers really try to envision multiple uses for every newly tooled toy that comes out, but some of them dont make it. Thus they only get one use (or perhaps are slightly retooled years later). We've definitely been given some unique ones in the past few years, but some obvious (?) ones I would think would have been a Predacon release of Kingdom Wingfinger & another use of the Legacy Evolution Crashbar mould, but we still haven't got those yet.

In Wave 1, when Legacy was doing more significant G1-ifying of non-G1 characters (Like Knock Out and Bulkhead), I always thought the Autobot Ark might be used as a retool for Tidal Wave, given the similar-ish head sculpt and cannons.

Obviously, from Wave 2 onward Legacy started making more faithful representations of non-G1 characters, and now we have a very accurate Tidal Wave. But I still wonder if that was originally an idea they had or if they always planned to make an Armada-faithful Tidal Wave.

It was only the TF: Prime and Animated characters (and, bafflingly, Cyberverse Shadow Striker) that they really G1-ified, because of how heavily stylized their original aesthetics were. The Unicron Trilogy designs were always much closer to the blocky G1 aesthetic, so they never needed to be redesigned to the same extent as the Prime/Animated designs.

They completely dropped the ball on Prime, yet they knock it out of the park for Animated.
Lessons learned I guess?

So, if they go back to Prime at some point, will they succeed? Appart for the excellent Skyquake and Dreadwing, of course.

JTPrime17 just posted more updates on previously-known listings, meaning we've been given the following additional tidbits:
-Starseekers Deluxe Road Pig will be using the Crashbar mold
-Leader Soundwave is a repaint of the ER mold (maybe this is the Marvel colors one that was rumored last year?)
-the previously-shared "Mayhem Deluxe 2-pack" is now TRA GEN MAYHEM VOY BLUDGEON & DLX RUCKUS (Product Number: G0182)
-Apparently the Mayhem capsule will be 3 multipacks for a total of 7 figures