The Energon Pub

If that list didn't come from a reputable leaker I would say it was fake for sure! It's interesting that we're getting three Cyberverse characters that we know of and they're all female. Nothing wrong with that, just unexpected when they could do figures of Wildwheel, Deadlock, Alpha Strike (or BM Strika), Hammerbyte, Meteorfire, and the shark leaders. Windblade and Chromia are great, but there's nothing particularly special about their Cyberverse designs that separate them from their G1 counterparts unlike Arcee.

Anyway, love the list and plan on getting all of those. I have three BW Snarls (one I bought myself, one was a gift and one was from an auction lot), It's a great figure and I look forward to seeing how Tazmanian Kid turns out.

"Rock" is definitely a placeholder, there is no way they're doing Rocklords in the main line before doing GoBots. This is them trying to hide the next modular theme.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:We had Thunderwing's OG mold mate in leader class previously and there was no extra core class bot. I don't see the combo you propose being anything less than a commander class toy.

You mean Titan Return's Black Shadow?
Hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................
TW as a commander would be a freaking giant so nope.

Hey, some of us are still waiting for Hasbro to make a Stormbringer version which had two bot modes by folding the wings around him:




He'd have to be a Commander, if not a Titan:



Emerje

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Well, I don't think it's just SS86 Sweep that nixed that. I think it's SS86 Sweep together with the fact that they already gave us a Lazy Halfassed Fracas back when they did the Phantomstrike set.

It is true that the light blue on SS86 Sweep isn't really an exacting match for the original toy's light blue (Scourge's sticker details are ugly so I'm not counting those as "goodness" )

Ah, right, I forgot Fracas (and HairsplitterShrute were in that set...and it also means that getting Fracas (and Shrute) is going to be another aftermarket nightmare...

Heh, to each their own! Though if it's a sticker sheet like Cyclonus had (should this idea even happen) that does mean it can be left off to the side!

Tasmania Kid, let's **** go. Aussie Aussie Aussie!

Now that I think about it, I wonder how a theoretical Legacy Leader or Voyager Energon Megatron will compare to the previous Takara and Toy R Us exclusive "Voyager" version? I mean aside from having usable leg articulation.



Emerje

I wonder what Rock 1 and Rock 2 are...

Most importantly, of course, is Gears! Now, we just need a few more pipeline reviews for Windcharger, Seaspray and Powerglide to have all the 84-85 Autobots in modern form. We need Buzzsaw for the Decepticons.

Emerje wrote:Now that I think about it, I wonder how a theoretical Legacy Leader or Voyager Energon Megatron will compare to the previous Takara and Toy R Us exclusive "Voyager" version? I mean aside from having usable leg articulation.



Emerje

Knees and elbows FTW

sol magnus wrote:I wonder what Rock 1 and Rock 2 are...

1. Rock Lords? I don't know, TakaraTomy may be hesitant as they were featured in Machine Robo, both the toy line and animes.
2. Lithonians. Remember, they were originally conceived as living rocks, with the Greek lithos meaning "rock", "Arblus" being based on marble and "Granix" on granite.
3. Rock Bot. 'Nuff said.

Also, what is it with the thought of Gears being tied to Brawn?

sol magnus wrote:I wonder what Rock 1 and Rock 2 are...

Most importantly, of course, is Gears! Now, we just need a few more pipeline reviews for Windcharger, Seaspray and Powerglide to have all the 84-85 Autobots in modern form. We need Buzzsaw for the Decepticons.

We already got those in the Prime Wars trilogy. If you missed them, they (or at least quality bootlegs of them) aren't too bad on eBay price-wise.

First-Aid wrote:

Emerje wrote:Now that I think about it, I wonder how a theoretical Legacy Leader or Voyager Energon Megatron will compare to the previous Takara and Toy R Us exclusive "Voyager" version? I mean aside from having usable leg articulation.



Emerje

Knees and elbows FTW

He had knees and elbows.




It's just that the effectiveness thereof was limited; he could have done with thigh swivels and a waist swivel (which would compensate for the short thighs) to help the legs, and bicep swivels (as well as a secondary outward articulation joint between the shoulder box and the torso, and relocating the rotation joint more inward) to help the arms.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

sol magnus wrote:I wonder what Rock 1 and Rock 2 are...

1. Rock Lords? I don't know, TakaraTomy may be hesitant as they were featured in Machine Robo, both the toy line and animes.
2. Lithonians. Remember, they were originally conceived as living rocks, with the Greek lithos meaning "rock", "Arblus" being based on marble and "Granix" on granite.
3. Rock Bot. 'Nuff said.

Thing is, we've got two "Rock 1" figures - one at Core class and one at Deluxe. If that means they're the same character, Idk that they'd do that for Lithonians.
Maybe it'll be Autobot Pretenders, just like the "Energon Monster" listings turned out to be Decepticon Pretenders. And we do need Metalhawk's crew.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Also, what is it with the thought of Gears being tied to Brawn?

No idea. Speaking of Gears though, I wonder...

...Will he come with a trailer full of potatoes?

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

sol magnus wrote:I wonder what Rock 1 and Rock 2 are...

Most importantly, of course, is Gears! Now, we just need a few more pipeline reviews for Windcharger, Seaspray and Powerglide to have all the 84-85 Autobots in modern form. We need Buzzsaw for the Decepticons.

We already got those in the Prime Wars trilogy. If you missed them, they (or at least quality bootlegs of them) aren't too bad on eBay price-wise.

I think the key phrase there is "modern form", those older figures aren't in the post-Prime Wars scale, they're all too small and need the Deluxe treatment. Especially Powerglide, he has to at least be as tall as his girlfriend (his robot one, not his human one).



Emerje

Yeah, if the other lower-profile minibots are getting attention, Powerglide definitely needs to be upgraded.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:what is it with the thought of Gears being tied to Brawn?

Both minibots that turn into truck/off-road type vehicles? Engineering could be similar or even shared, like Huffer and Pipes.

While the personalities are different, I always considered Windcharger just a knockoff of Cliffjumper.
So I'm not in any fuss to get him. Powerglide is at the top of my list though, with Seaspray a close second. Now that they're upgrading Beachcomber, if they hadn't I'd have probably just stayed with the Legends figures I have and went for a Powerglide on ebay.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

sol magnus wrote:I wonder what Rock 1 and Rock 2 are...

Most importantly, of course, is Gears! Now, we just need a few more pipeline reviews for Windcharger, Seaspray and Powerglide to have all the 84-85 Autobots in modern form. We need Buzzsaw for the Decepticons.

We already got those in the Prime Wars trilogy. If you missed them, they (or at least quality bootlegs of them) aren't too bad on eBay price-wise.

We got several mini-bots who have been updated in Siege/Earthrise/Kingdom/Legacy style. That's not a compelling reason not to get the last three likewise updated in the next year or so.

Personally the only reason I'd collect the older Generations minibots is just because I enjoy legends class and to have their micromaster/targetmaster buddies, heh.

SpaceEagle wrote:Personally the only reason I'd collect the older Generations minibots is just because I enjoy legends class and to have their micromaster/targetmaster buddies, heh.

I also like the idea of legacy and evolution (seriously, no pun intended) within the transformers brand. So Having the 4 G1 cosmos in my collection is pretty fun.

sol magnus wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

sol magnus wrote:I wonder what Rock 1 and Rock 2 are...

Most importantly, of course, is Gears! Now, we just need a few more pipeline reviews for Windcharger, Seaspray and Powerglide to have all the 84-85 Autobots in modern form. We need Buzzsaw for the Decepticons.

We already got those in the Prime Wars trilogy. If you missed them, they (or at least quality bootlegs of them) aren't too bad on eBay price-wise.

We got several mini-bots who have been updated in Siege/Earthrise/Kingdom/Legacy style. That's not a compelling reason not to get the last three likewise updated in the next year or so.

AFAIC? Yes, it is. The sizing is still comparable, and the ones they've been doing have been the ones who weren't covered by Prime Wars molds: Huffer/Pipes, Warpath, Cliffjumper, Cosmos, and now Gears. The only Prime Wars retread was Bumblebee, but Bumblebee's a special treatment character so...

Emerje wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

sol magnus wrote:I wonder what Rock 1 and Rock 2 are...

Most importantly, of course, is Gears! Now, we just need a few more pipeline reviews for Windcharger, Seaspray and Powerglide to have all the 84-85 Autobots in modern form. We need Buzzsaw for the Decepticons.

We already got those in the Prime Wars trilogy. If you missed them, they (or at least quality bootlegs of them) aren't too bad on eBay price-wise.

I think the key phrase there is "modern form", those older figures aren't in the post-Prime Wars scale,

Yes, they are. They're all around the same height as ER Cliffjumper and the altmode size and proportions are about the same, with CJ only being somewhat longer. And I mean, you didn't see sol magnus mention Brawn.

Emerje wrote:they're all too small and need the Deluxe treatment.

No, they're not. And no, they don't. Except for Powerglide, I will concede you Powerglide. But the others are fine.

Honestly, as far as scale goes, rather than redoing any of them (save Powerglide) as Deluxes, maybe Velocitron Cosmos should be redone as Core-class (because Cosmos was a shortarse even by minibot standards in the cartoon, and I've heard the Velocitron figure is actually kinda tall).

I would really love a Core Class Cosmos.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I would really love a Core Class Cosmos.

I think this cover it pretty well

-Kanrabat- wrote:I would really love a Core Class Cosmos.

Thrilling 30 Cosmos fits the bill for that, and he got re-released in Titans Return.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

sol magnus wrote:I wonder what Rock 1 and Rock 2 are...

Most importantly, of course, is Gears! Now, we just need a few more pipeline reviews for Windcharger, Seaspray and Powerglide to have all the 84-85 Autobots in modern form. We need Buzzsaw for the Decepticons.

We already got those in the Prime Wars trilogy. If you missed them, they (or at least quality bootlegs of them) aren't too bad on eBay price-wise.

We got several mini-bots who have been updated in Siege/Earthrise/Kingdom/Legacy style. That's not a compelling reason not to get the last three likewise updated in the next year or so.

AFAIC? Yes, it is. The sizing is still comparable, and the ones they've been doing have been the ones who weren't covered by Prime Wars molds: Huffer/Pipes, Warpath, Cliffjumper, Cosmos, and now Gears. The only Prime Wars retread was Bumblebee, but Bumblebee's a special treatment character so...

Yeah, but Brawn is getting redone in SS86. You really think that won't translate into an Outback in the mainline? Not sure why you think the old ones are 'fine'. Beachcomber is getting redone, he too was a Prime Wars guy, right? Warpath was, Cosmos was - the trend is against you, my friend.

In any event, I want in scale mini-bots, and we're in striking distance of everything except Windcharger/Tailgate, Seaspray (another Prime Wars guy) and Powerglide. Arguments aside, seems like it's happening based on the available evidence.

Also: Cosmos was taller than Jazz in the God Gambit. He wasn't portrayed as all [i]that]/i] small on the show.

william-james88 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I would really love a Core Class Cosmos.

I think this cover it pretty well

I mean, more "G1" looking.
So far, I have them all, including the Universe Legion and his weird arms.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I would really love a Core Class Cosmos.

Thrilling 30 Cosmos fits the bill for that, and he got re-released in Titans Return.

I couldn't remember if it was TR or PotP. Anyway, I must have picked up a used T30 one before the TR came out because I wanted him for my UW Computron to mimic the look of Scrounge with CW Computron. Imagine my surprise at that time (its well documented now) that the space underneath didn't fit the same (scrounge had been retooled just enough to allow a 5mm peg to fit in underneath). Still I was able to rearrange things a bit and make T30 Cosmos work .

I personally didn't think it was necessary to redo all the minibots in deluxe scale, but, they seem to be popular. I dont have to buy them, so it's fine.

I got my hands on Leadfoot and it'a a great figure. Buuuuuut did anyone have issues that first time transforming? When I tried to move his head into his chest it just popped right off. Then for a moment it didn't peg back the way it should.

Finally it took soome doing to get the head "inside" correctly with fear of scratching any paint. I fear any future transformations may do just that.

Nemesis Destron wrote:I got my hands on Leadfoot and it'a a great figure. Buuuuuut did anyone have issues that first time transforming? When I tried to move his head into his chest it just popped right off. Then for a moment it didn't peg back the way it should.

Finally it took soome doing to get the head "inside" correctly with fear of scratching any paint. I fear any future transformations may do just that.

Thread misfire?

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Nemesis Destron wrote:I got my hands on Leadfoot and it'a a great figure. Buuuuuut did anyone have issues that first time transforming? When I tried to move his head into his chest it just popped right off. Then for a moment it didn't peg back the way it should.

Finally it took soome doing to get the head "inside" correctly with fear of scratching any paint. I fear any future transformations may do just that.

Thread misfire?

Wreck and Rule is a part of Legacy.

sol magnus wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Nemesis Destron wrote:I got my hands on Leadfoot and it'a a great figure. Buuuuuut did anyone have issues that first time transforming? When I tried to move his head into his chest it just popped right off. Then for a moment it didn't peg back the way it should.

Finally it took soome doing to get the head "inside" correctly with fear of scratching any paint. I fear any future transformations may do just that.

Thread misfire?

Wreck and Rule is a part of Legacy.

Can't remember all the names of those "rare" exclusives.