AllNewSuperRobot wrote:...
When Transformers was the least Transformers? The Japanese Fanbase is so contrarian it can make your head spin
Silverwing wrote:Also, I feel compelled to give the obligatory:
One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
Size-wise, yes.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I haven't actually seen MP-1 in person but, I would have been interested to see the line developed to that standard. I'm told that he is the most accurate Prime to use, should you choose to recreate that scene from The Agenda part 2.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
TulioDude wrote:I'm have an feeling that,before comitting to being media accurate,the masterpiece toys were supposed to be the ultimate toy of character,putting all enginering tricks they know that they couldn't afford to do in the original toy.
They can still follow this trend,but I don't want it to be the only thing that the Masterpiece toys are.
Day 118 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.
ZeroWolf wrote:Does Grimlock scale any better with the later Optimus?
Not according to the consensus of people on TFW2005 and other places they weren't! Rodimus sure doesn't look properly scaled to MP-1 here:Rodimus Prime wrote:The only anomaly on that list was Grimlock. Starscream and Takara's Rodimus were properly scaled to Megatron and Optimus
Did I say he wasn't? No. What I said was that he was the right height next to MP-1 Optimus... but since he was such a mess, he wasn't exactly a winning argument for going with their scale as opposed to the scale of Roddy and the Seekers.Rodimus Prime wrote:(even if Megatron was a mess, he was the right height)
A bit, yeah. Still, he's not as bad off compared to MP-10 as he was compared to MP-1.Rodimus Prime wrote:and only Grimlock should have been bigger.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:MP-5 Megatron was such a rushed design that his designer literally had only 12 days to design him.
Well it's a good thing then that I don't give a crap about what other people think how I should look at my collection. But I will concede that MP-09 should have either been bigger, or just called Hot Rod instead of Rodimus Prime. He is in scale with MP-01 if he was identified as Hot Rod, which is how he is on my shelf. The "Rodimus mode" is dumb and I don't use it. It was a cheap cop-out.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Not according to the consensus of people on TFW2005 and other places they weren't! Rodimus sure doesn't look properly scaled to MP-1 here:Rodimus Prime wrote:The only anomaly on that list was Grimlock. Starscream and Takara's Rodimus were properly scaled to Megatron and Optimus
He's in Rodimus Prime mode, and yet he only comes up to Optimus' chest. They should be the same height.
They could have been a tad taller, but not much. Maybe an inch at the most.
And the Seekers look too small compared to MP-5.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Well it's a good thing then that I don't give a crap about what other people think how I should look at my collection. But I will concede that MP-09 should have either been bigger, or just called Hot Rod instead of Rodimus Prime. He is in scale with MP-01 if he was identified as Hot Rod, which is how he is on my shelf. The "Rodimus mode" is dumb and I don't use it. It was a cheap cop-out.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Not according to the consensus of people on TFW2005 and other places they weren't! Rodimus sure doesn't look properly scaled to MP-1 here:Rodimus Prime wrote:The only anomaly on that list was Grimlock. Starscream and Takara's Rodimus were properly scaled to Megatron and Optimus
He's in Rodimus Prime mode, and yet he only comes up to Optimus' chest. They should be the same height.They could have been a tad taller, but not much. Maybe an inch at the most.
And the Seekers look too small compared to MP-5.
Based on everything I've heard about MP-09, "cheap" is not exactly the right word. "Overambitious" is more like it. Having a Hot Rod toy that can literally morph and grow into Rodimus Prime (who, as Sol Magnus pointed out, was intended as the main mode of the figure) without any sort of partsforming is an ambitious idea... and it seems to be at the root of a lot of his much-bemoaned frailty issues (the ones people groused about incessantly for months after his release). It also makes him out of scale with himself. The Hot Rod mode is in scale with Alternators and MP-1, but the Rodimus Prime mode is too small compared to them. Meanwhile, that Rodimus Prime mode is in scale with the Seekers and MP-10 onward stuff (heck, one of MP-10's selling points was being the same size as MP-09's Rodimus Prime mode) but the Hot Rod mode is too big compared to those figures; hence the existence of MP-28.Rodimus Prime wrote:Well it's a good thing then that I don't give a crap about what other people think how I should look at my collection. But I will concede that MP-09 should have either been bigger, or just called Hot Rod instead of Rodimus Prime. He is in scale with MP-01 if he was identified as Hot Rod, which is how he is on my shelf. The "Rodimus mode" is dumb and I don't use it. It was a cheap cop-out.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Not according to the consensus of people on TFW2005 and other places they weren't! Rodimus sure doesn't look properly scaled to MP-1 here:Rodimus Prime wrote:The only anomaly on that list was Grimlock. Starscream and Takara's Rodimus were properly scaled to Megatron and Optimus
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He's in Rodimus Prime mode, and yet he only comes up to Optimus' chest. They should be the same height.
Depending on how tall the MP Seeker mold's head is, maybe more than inch. Going by the cartoon, the Seekers and Soundwave should be one head shorter than Megatron. Compared to MP-5? The Seekers are at least three heads shorter.Rodimus Prime wrote:They could have been a tad taller, but not much. Maybe an inch at the most.-image snipped-
And the Seekers look too small compared to MP-5.
But I'm talking about comparing MP-09 to MP-01. If Rodimus and Optimus are to be equal, they need to be same height. Are you saying the designers stated that MP-09 was the start of the new scale? Because he does scale to MP-10 as Rodimus.sol magnus wrote:There's nothing to concede. The designers based the scale of MP-10 on MP-9. It was a whole thing with them shaking hands with all kinds of interviews about doing the further Masterpieces starting with MP-10 in the current scale.
Because in the figure there's no real difference between Hot Rod and Rodimus, other than a small extension of the hips and raising the shoulders. And the face change, which adds nothing to height. The only way the name works is if MP-09 was intended to be the start of the new scale.Also, the figure is Rodimus Convoy...how is the main mode of the figure a cop out?
I believe that's what Sol is saying, yes. And MP-10 is shown next to MP-09's Rodimus Prime form on the box:Rodimus Prime wrote:But I'm talking about comparing MP-09 to MP-01. If Rodimus and Optimus are to be equal, they need to be same height. Are you saying the designers stated that MP-09 was the start of the new scale? Because he does scale to MP-10 as Rodimus.sol magnus wrote:There's nothing to concede. The designers based the scale of MP-10 on MP-9. It was a whole thing with them shaking hands with all kinds of interviews about doing the further Masterpieces starting with MP-10 in the current scale.
Well, there are reasons for that. A pretty big one is that Rodimus Prime's robot mode design is literally just Hot Rod's stretched in the legs and arms, slightly bulked up, and given darker colors and a more lined face, so what more difference do you want?Rodimus Prime wrote:Because in the figure there's no real difference between Hot Rod and Rodimus, other than a small extension of the hips and raising the shoulders. And the face change, which adds nothing to height.Also, the figure is Rodimus Convoy...how is the main mode of the figure a cop out?
I think I heard some things toward that end? (Although technically, MP-3 is the real start of that scale). I do know that the Rodimus Prime mode is the one Takara was really hyping, along with the evolution gimmick. And unlike the ripoff US version, the Takara version can also actually assume Rodimus Prime's vehicle mode.Rodimus Prime wrote:The only way the name works is if MP-09 was intended to be the start of the new scale.
It is, but it seemed impressive in concept even if the extreme similarity of Rodimus Prime and Hot Rod combined with the physical limits on having the limbs extend while keeping him transformable doomed it to be less impressive than the conceptually-similar Animated Shockwave.Rodimus Prime wrote:Well, the "evolution" gimmick is crap, because the change is minimal, and definitely not adequate when trying to portray Hot Rod's change to Rodimus.
In hindsight, yes, especially given the durability issues. It proved to be quite the Icarian ambition.Rodimus Prime wrote:They should have stuck with 1 version of the figure and gave it the proper name
Hang on, lemme check the gallery.Rodimus Prime wrote:If the scale did start with MP-03, then it's still off, as Rodimus should be bigger than Starscream.
I think a certain Kup quote is a great way to describe the Hasbro release.Rodimus Prime wrote:And I agree with Hasbro's version being incomplete. When I had the trailer for MP-09, I would transform the TrU version into car mode and stick him in, while having MP-09 in robot mode.
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