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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Cyberpath » Sun May 10, 2020 2:25 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
Cyberpath wrote:And Takara can simply hide Bombshell's purple in his legs like BadCube's version.

Given how Blackarachnia's Spider Mode turned out, don't count on it.

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun May 10, 2020 2:31 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot thinks the beast mode of BA is the worse part of the figure and how it looks. Though a better comparison would be more MP-48 with how the cartoony beast head is turned inside out for the more geometric robot mode shoulder.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby sol magnus » Sun May 10, 2020 9:21 pm

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The part that bugs me is when people complain about how intricate MPs are. They are supposed to be. You're not handing over £100+ for a glorified CHUG. This is the Masterpiece Collection. Supposedly the best possible version of a given character that Takara have the ability to make. That is what MP-13 Soundwave is to a friend of mine. Getting from Altmode to Bot Mode should be more involved than a standard release. That level of design and engineering is what you are paying a premium for. If you don't like that aspect of this range, you'll probably be better off sticking with CHUG. They should all equate to MP-36 in terms of the final product.

Fair enough, but honestly, people complain about all sorts of things that mystify me.

Again for the premium we pay for this line, undue kibble hanging off the skid plate or the overall aesthetic not equally high from all sides, is NOT a Masterpiece and shouldn't be tolerated as such.

Like so.

That's your opinion. If you (the royal you) could design a toy as *ahem* masterful *ahem* as a Masterpiece, without any kibble, then I would suggest you (the royal you) submit your design proposal to Takara, otherwise, you're just another crank with an entitled opinion. What you (the you you) 'tolerate' in a toy (at any price) is your business, not mine.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun May 10, 2020 9:34 pm

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Complexity and overengineering doesn't necessarily make a "Masterpiece".
If the initial design is simple enough, we can have a "Masterpiece" that is accurate and great looking in all modes and be easy to transform.

Sorry to bring 3P again, but using the simple design of Dreamwave's Transformers War Within, Civil Warrior General Grant is one solid dude that transform almost as simple as a Gobots!
Then to be "high quality", and for the "premium feel", all diecast parts where it work, add nice paint, and make the toy feel good in hand. Grant was cheaper than 180$CAN shipped, yet he felt like MP-01 in hand.... and he posed better!

TlDr; A "true" Masterpiece must look great, must feel great, and must be fun to fiddle with.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon May 11, 2020 10:56 am

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Complexity and overengineering doesn't necessarily make a "Masterpiece".
If the initial design is simple enough, we can have a "Masterpiece" that is accurate and great looking in all modes and be easy to transform.


By the same token, I'd imagine people wouldn't be happy with a one-step Transformer that cost $100+
At the price point expectation would be for something not found with general lines.

-Kanrabat- wrote:TlDr; A "true" Masterpiece must look great, must feel great, and must be fun to fiddle with.


Ultimately, I'm not talking about some ideal, as yet unachieved, standard. Just that the overall quality for every figure be held to the same standard as the best of line. No cutting corners, "because they only need to look good from one side and/or in one mode" ala Bumblebee 2.0 or Blackarachnia. Not that every figure should look like a plastic flower ala MP Dinobot in mid-transformation, either. But by the end of the transformation they should exhibit a high level of finesse, as standard ala MP-13 or MP-38.

Not all MPs are made equal, yet as they all comprise this line, that shouldn't be the case.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon May 11, 2020 11:17 am

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Well, if a MP only require one step to transform in order to achieve the results, why not?

And obviously, when I say "good looking" I say from ALL sides. Only the underside of the car can the ugliness be forgiven.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon May 11, 2020 11:21 am

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-Kanrabat- wrote:Well, if a MP only require one step to transform in order to achieve the results, why not?


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MP Rattrap being just an upscale of his original toy? :???:
Seriously though, that would be walking a thin line. Veering into Masterpiece Actionmaster territory...

-Kanrabat- wrote:And obviously, when I say "good looking" I say from ALL sides. Only the underside of the car can the ugliness be forgiven.


Of course. The eventual MP Unicron Trilogy line would be nigh impossible without that :lol:
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon May 11, 2020 11:42 am

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Armada and Energon would benefit greatly from a MP line. But Cybertron would be piss-easy to do. The original toys were screen accurate at 90-ish percent from the start.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon May 11, 2020 11:50 am

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I didn't think Armada and Energon on screen characters were that far from the toys either, just articulation is all they'd need to do. The toys wouldn't need to be complicated either
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon May 11, 2020 12:00 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:I didn't think Armada and Energon on screen characters were that far from the toys either, just articulation is all they'd need to do. The toys wouldn't need to be complicated either


Yup. And by removing the intrusive Minicon gimmick, the bot and vehicles would be improved.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon May 11, 2020 12:01 pm

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Toy-wise, just a general modernisation of design would do the trick really. Unlike G1, there isn't really an alternate aesthetic that UT would need to appease. It is just screen accuracy all the way. Yet as we've mentioned before, MP Energon toys would be a serious undertaking. Considering the dual-combining nature of nearly the entire line.

Ideally, I think I would be like to see a Masterpiece UT figure - ideally Demolisher or Hot Shot - within the next ten MPs.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Mon May 11, 2020 1:29 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:I didn't think Armada and Energon on screen characters were that far from the toys either, just articulation is all they'd need to do. The toys wouldn't need to be complicated either

Yup. And by removing the intrusive Minicon gimmick, the bot and vehicles would be improved.

I think it would actually be cooler for the bots to retain their minicons/key/combination gimmicks, but better articulated, balanced, and increased paintwork, with better engineering to make the bots follow this without sacrificing the gimmick
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon May 11, 2020 1:33 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I didn't think Armada and Energon on screen characters were that far from the toys either, just articulation is all they'd need to do. The toys wouldn't need to be complicated either

Yup. And by removing the intrusive Minicon gimmick, the bot and vehicles would be improved.

I think it would actually be cooler for the bots to retain their minicons/key/combination gimmicks, but better articulated, balanced, and increased paintwork, with better engineering to make the bots follow this without sacrificing the gimmick


When I said "removing the gimmick" it was mostly about the mechanism or the storage of the oversized thing. To have perfect bot modes, the "gimmick" could be done by hand or by partsforming.

As for the Energon duobots, it would require a very complex transformation in order to achieve good looking results. As long that nothing is fragile, I'd be okay with it.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Mon May 11, 2020 1:35 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I didn't think Armada and Energon on screen characters were that far from the toys either, just articulation is all they'd need to do. The toys wouldn't need to be complicated either

Yup. And by removing the intrusive Minicon gimmick, the bot and vehicles would be improved.

I think it would actually be cooler for the bots to retain their minicons/key/combination gimmicks, but better articulated, balanced, and increased paintwork, with better engineering to make the bots follow this without sacrificing the gimmick


When I said "removing the gimmick" it was mostly about the mechanism or the storage of the oversized thing. To have perfect bot modes, the "gimmick" could be done by hand or by partsforming.

As for the Energon duobots, it would require a very complex transformation in order to achieve good looking results. As long that nothing is fragile, I'd be okay with it.

I really think they could do it. All the gimmicks can be kept and updated for better aesthetic looks and function without removing said gimmick
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon May 11, 2020 1:36 pm

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I think they would need to test the water first, when it comes to duobots at MP level. I'm trying to think of someone G1 (other than Star Saber) and Car Robots Prime/Ultra Magnus is all that's coming to mind.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon May 11, 2020 1:39 pm

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Well they could do MP Landcross ;) or start simpler and do MP Battletrap
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Mon May 11, 2020 1:42 pm

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MP Battletrap or Flywheels could work. Even the combiner Cassettes? I highly doubt Landcross would even be considered outside of a fan poll.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon May 11, 2020 1:48 pm

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I always forget the Dino cassettes, well, I mean I always forget their ability to combine.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon May 11, 2020 1:54 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I think they would need to test the water first, when it comes to duobots at MP level. I'm trying to think of someone G1 (other than Star Saber) and Car Robots Prime/Ultra Magnus is all that's coming to mind.


Holy crap.... I think a 2 pack of those MPs would put MP-44's price to shame. :shock:
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Mon May 11, 2020 4:49 pm

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And yet, we're getting MP Raiden of all bots.
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Mon May 11, 2020 5:16 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I highly doubt Landcross would even be considered outside of a fan poll.
And yet, we're getting MP Raiden of all bots.

Probably the Masterpiece figure I have been most excited for outside of MPMs in years
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue May 12, 2020 12:19 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I highly doubt Landcross would even be considered outside of a fan poll.
And yet, we're getting MP Raiden of all bots.


True. But then again, Raiden does have significance within the franchise too. Second to Devastator and all that. Plus I did look up Landcross on the wiki... Yikes. That is one ugly Gestalt :shock:
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Tue May 12, 2020 12:25 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I highly doubt Landcross would even be considered outside of a fan poll.
And yet, we're getting MP Raiden of all bots.


True. But then again, Raiden does have significance within the franchise too.
No he doesn't, he's a nobody. Always has been. Even in the one cartoon series that used him frequently for fighting Predaking was he a near-total cipher.

Landcross got more character focus in Victory, even if said focus just boiled down to "rookie Combiner".
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Re: Transformers Masterpiece: General Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Tue May 12, 2020 12:25 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I highly doubt Landcross would even be considered outside of a fan poll.
And yet, we're getting MP Raiden of all bots.


True. But then again, Raiden does have significance within the franchise too. Second to Devastator and all that. Plus I did look up Landcross on the wiki... Yikes. That is one ugly Gestalt :shock:



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