The Energon Pub

[ZeroWolf]

Well in a sense yeah, though I see a little of a retread in what furman did with jihaxus in reG1. G2 comic only lasted 9 issues and the TV series was just just g1 with fancy transitions. There was a lot of things that weren't in its favour but in a sense it had to happen, otherwise we would never have gotten Beast Wars

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Oh, only 9 issues??? From how people refer to it, I thought it went on for a couple years?

[Emerje]

Oh, only 9 issues??? From how people refer to it, I thought it went on for a couple years?

The comics lasted 12 issues, not nine, plus it had five G.I.Joe crossover comics. Meanwhile the toy line went on for 3 years from '92 to '95 leading into Beast Wars which inherited the ball joints that showed up in the end of G2.

Emerje

[shajaki]

The comics lasted 12 issues, not nine, plus it had five G.I.Joe crossover comics.

And a "Halloween Special"

[ZeroWolf]

Sorry, not sure where I got 9 from But as for the toy line the early years were just reprints till they cranked out the new stuff towards the end, done of which had already debuted in the UK and other European countries in the form of g1.5

[fenrir72]

I find it odd that we are even discussing/arguing this. I feel the way the MP line has gone, to be a rather fluid evolution. The expansion to other branches just seems natural.

Besides, seeing an MP S1 Optimus Primal be made is a lot less surprising than a G1 Grapple. So saying that the MP BW doesn't have far to go before it's exhausted or people lose interest is ridiculous.

MP Grapple people.

^^^

As I mentioned. The Inferno mold, and character. Were they even that popular? Maybe the JP crowd love their fire engines etc (and maybe Mitsubishi wasn't such a beotch in selling the rights but he is not a popular character yet Takara prioritized him over Meister. And it still sold.

Even the least popular G1 TF sold. BW? ,MP will more or less target the most popular of the crew as again, it is still G1 that carries the "entire" franchise whether we would like to admit it or not. I'd love a Waspinator too or even a Blackwidow.

[fenrir72]

Hey DMax, what I said! But we's all talking here about MP mainline. Businesses will always focus on sure fire moneymakers. Currently, their choices for BW are are surefire hits but still, they will just comprise at max 20% of the line. It will always be G1. Even the curreent PotP, still G1. etc etc

In the end, just how many of the BW are sure to sell?

This is no Gwunner BS I speaking of unlike our very ESTEEMED ALLNEWSUPERROBOT who seems apt to fire from the hip with insults yet so easily melts away knowing his argument is as stable as Starscream's grip on the Decepticon leadership!

So, four 503 error botched attempts earlier, let's address this!

1) The percentages you gave were largely irrelevant. We're talking about the here and now. Take note of the examples I gave. The first 6 MP BW figures released add up to a third of the roster. The first 6 G1 MP line were not even close to that percentage. By that logic, if they had been started at the same time (the only way that would give the percentages you gave any actual merit) MP Beast Wars, possibly all the way upto season 3, would likely have been finished by now. It could even be argued that the Bayformer and BW MP lines were likely started to revive waning interest in the MP line. I mean, at this rate we'll be dead before they even finish Sunbow

2) Beast Wars is Still G1. The line that saved Transformers from obscurity and all that..

3)As for my misquoted "Gewunner BS" line, which solely referred to the last paragraph of your then previous comment. It was made because no one was talking about G1. This is a Beast Wars discussion thread and that's where the discussion was. To start rattling the sabre for G1 was completely random and nonsensical.

Lastly, I didn't "melt away" so don't flatter yourself and the only one throwing around 'insults' and 'arguments' was you. Everyone else was discussing about the topic at hand.

So let's get back to that.

I deal with facts and figures. Can't be denying them. 20% of MP mainline is G1. To do so doing the is is an apple and not orange the way CNN does their spin.

BW is G1? Some would argue against that( all this multiveres mumbojumbo) unless we follow the JP timeline.

BW save G1? Again, other factors would go against that argument. G1 was very robust post 1991 in JP. The line kind of died because the fan all grew up.

It was HB who was scrapping the bottom of their IP barrel that resurrected the line. Also, nostalgia by the older fans.

MP is primarily Takara. Paying HB for the characters they own. 'nuff said.

Also, man up! Call me a Gwunner BS? Then stand by it. That term is a pejorative in the TF community. Just as I called you a melt away hit and run deflecting fact denier. I stand by it.

[Burn]

Hey fenrir72! We get it, you like to discuss the business aspect of Masterpieces.

You've done it in so many threads.

And you know what? Each time you've done it, it's been off-topic.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you want to discuss that stuff, start a thread about it. But this thread, like all the others, is simply not the place for it.

Guys, this thread is for discussion about the upcoming MP-43 Beast Wars Megatron. Let's keep it about that.

Getting sick and tired of having to deal with reports about people posting off-topic when the majority of you should know better by now. Staff included.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Random thought when it comes to accessories. If he comes with the Toothbrush and no Rubber Ducky, Transmetals have been discussed at some point. If he comes with both, the likelyhood of MP Transmetal is less certain.

[ZeroWolf]

I think they'll do the transmetals at some point, it's just said point is going to be a long while off. So it's pointless gesturing based off accessories now, as they could easily re-include them later on. I mean it's going to be an easy 2-4 years till the bw mp line is ready for transmetals.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

I think they'll do the transmetals at some point, it's just said point is going to be a long while off. So it's pointless gesturing based off accessories now, as they could easily re-include them later on. I mean it's going to be an easy 2-4 years till the bw mp line is ready for transmetals.

Fair point. So how many redecos can they get out of what they have so far, including Dinobot and Megatron?


Optimus Primal - Apelinq (Non-TM versions do exist)
Cheetor - Shadow Panther
Dinobot - Grimlock - Hardhead (retool)
Megatron - T-Wrecks

That's at least another four perhaps?

[Sabrblade]

I think they'll do the transmetals at some point, it's just said point is going to be a long while off. So it's pointless gesturing based off accessories now, as they could easily re-include them later on. I mean it's going to be an easy 2-4 years till the bw mp line is ready for transmetals.

Fair point. So how many redecos can they get out of what they have so far, including Dinobot and Megatron?


Optimus Primal - Apelinq (Non-TM versions do exist)
Cheetor - Shadow Panther
Dinobot - Grimlock - Hardhead (retool)
Megatron - T-Wrecks

That's at least another four perhaps?

Optimus Primal - show colors (already done), toy/movie colors (already done), Burning Convoy, Special Convoy Skeleton Type, 2003 Universe "Unicron Virus" redeco/SG Optimus Primal, RobotMasters black redeco

Cheetor - show colors (already done), toy colors, Shadow Panther (already coming), Fox Kids redeco, unreleased Universe Nightprowler, SG Cheetor (Tigatron would need his own mold)

Dinobot - show colors (already coming), toy colors, BW Grimlock, Fox Kids redeco, Dinobots Grimlock, 10th Anniversary redeco, 2009 Universe Dinobot/SG Dinobot (Thrustor and Hardhead/Dinotron would need their own molds)

Megatron - show colors (already coming), toy colors, T-Wrecks, RobotMasters toy colors, RobotMasters black redeco

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Wow, a lot more than I thought.

Surely Hardhead/Dinotron would suffice with a retool of MP Dinobot though? Clearly Thrustor being a more extensively altered design, would need a new, bigger mold.

[ZeroWolf]

How did the robotmasters deco differ again?

[Sabrblade]

Wow, a lot more than I thought.

Surely Hardhead/Dinotron would suffice with a retool of MP Dinobot though? Clearly Thrustor being a more extensively altered design, would need a new, bigger mold.

Both Thrustor and Hardhead had cartoon models that were much more toy-accurate than Dinobot's was, so with Takara being all about show-accuracy with MPs as of late, they'd need new molds that better matched their original toys like how their cartoon models did.

[Sabrblade]

How did the robotmasters deco differ again?

For Megatron:





Primal's RobotMasters figure as it was was similar enough to the original toy's colors.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Wow, a lot more than I thought.

Surely Hardhead/Dinotron would suffice with a retool of MP Dinobot though? Clearly Thrustor being a more extensively altered design, would need a new, bigger mold.

Both Thrustor and Hardhead haad cartoon models that were much more toy-accurate than Dinobot's was, so with Takara being all about show-accuracy with MPs as of late, they'd need new molds that better matched their original toys like how their cartoon models did.

I see. They were a BWII/Neo thing? I only saw them in The Ascending (and links to the toys on the Wiki) so I assumed they were Con-exclusive redecos.

[Sabrblade]

Wow, a lot more than I thought.

Surely Hardhead/Dinotron would suffice with a retool of MP Dinobot though? Clearly Thrustor being a more extensively altered design, would need a new, bigger mold.

Both Thrustor and Hardhead haad cartoon models that were much more toy-accurate than Dinobot's was, so with Takara being all about show-accuracy with MPs as of late, they'd need new molds that better matched their original toys like how their cartoon models did.

I see. They were a BWII/Neo thing? I only saw them in The Ascending (and links to the toys on the Wiki) so I assumed they were Con-exclusive redecos.

Yes. Thrust/Thrustor was in Beast Wars Second, and Hardhead was in Beast Wars Neo.

Hardhead's toy got redeco into Dinotron for the 2000 Dinobots line.

[ZeroWolf]

How did the robotmasters deco differ again?

For Megatron:





Primal's RobotMasters figure as it was was similar enough to the original toy's colors.

They really went brighter there didn't they thanks sabr

I wonder how easy it is to get ahold of the robotmasters toys...I always did like the idea of reverse convoy...

[Nemesis Maximo]

OH MY GAWD!!!

[Sodan-1]

He's too small. Or the other Beast Wars MPs are too big.

The scale is about right so far. Ascending from Cheetor to Primal to Dinobot to Megatron. Inferno-Rhinox-Tigatron are the next three, descending from Dinobot. Everyone else is tiny.

Too small? Megs is gigantic. He's taller than Dinobot, who towers over Primal.

I know Megatron was the tallest of the season 1 cast, but I remember shots where Dinobot was craning his neck to look him in the eye.





Nevermind....

I can't see us ever getting Transmetals MPs. And honestly I'm OK with that. I know they won't scale too well, but as far as basic appearance goes I've always felt the mechanical nature of the Transmetals afforded them some pretty decent looking figures in the first place.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

I always liked the different themes behind the phases of Beast Wars. The Techno-Organic/Base form, which already has turned out some really nice designs, especially in the MP line. The TM "reverse" form, with it's organic bot mode and techno Beast. The Transmetal 2 designs being the original form remade fully technological.

The main reason why I'd like to see the TM line made into Masterpiece is that now they have the technical know-how to correct their great, "shiny" flaw and make those designs really stand out. As an aside I've always wanted to see TM Primal and TM Terrorsaur retools as Apeface and Laserbeak respectively.

Plus, keeping them in scale with the other MP base forms, the Transmetals would be massive!

[Sabrblade]

Techno-Organic

Please don't use that to refer to the Season 1 forms. The Sourcebooks already mucked up that term enough when it's meant to refer to the unique alien hybrid forms of the Beast Machines Maximals.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Techno-Organic

Please don't use that to refer to the Season 1 forms. The Sourcebooks already mucked up that term enough when it's meant to refer to the unique alien hybrid forms of the Beast Machines Maximals.

Indeed. Personally I usually used the term interchangeably between Transmetal 2 and Beast Machines. As they are more or less the same hybrid form. Typically I refer to Season one forms as 'Base' forms, at the time I couldn't think of another term to describe them.

[Ironhidensh]

It's easier to just pretend Beast Machines just doesn't exist.