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[william-james88]

Hot Rod was "matured" by the Matrix into Rodimus Prime, not physical growth. (similar to Optimus although his Pax body was mortally wounded).

The story of A3 "maturation" is not exactly known, but I seriously doubt it was physical growth.

So they kept rebuilding A3 just to change his facial hair?

[Stormshot_Prime]

Reading some of these comments and. You guys realize how many backstories and various canons there’s been right? This is something new, like how all previous iterations were themselves new in their time. I just don’t understand why this movie HAS to follow all that came before, why it has to specifically stick with one set of origin stories. It’s already so based on what’s come before, but it being not exact to one particular continuity is an issue?

This franchise might be in need of some Beast Machines level risks. I’m talking a whole series with almost zero characters that have come before.

Of course I’m still excited, and of course I get someone just not wanting to see it, but some of the reasoning here is a bit confusing.

[Sabrblade]

Reading some of these comments and. You guys realize how many backstories and various canons there’s been right? This is something new, like how all previous iterations were themselves new in their time. I just don’t understand why this movie HAS to follow all that came before, why it has to specifically stick with one set of origin stories. It’s already so based on what’s come before, but it being not exact to one particular continuity is an issue?

I wouldn't call it completely new and different. It seems to take a heavy amount of influence from the Aligned backstory.

This franchise might be in need of some Beast Machines level risks. I’m talking a whole series with almost zero characters that have come before.

We got one as recent as two years ago:



And it's really good.

[Stormshot_Prime]

Reading some of these comments and. You guys realize how many backstories and various canons there’s been right? This is something new, like how all previous iterations were themselves new in their time. I just don’t understand why this movie HAS to follow all that came before, why it has to specifically stick with one set of origin stories. It’s already so based on what’s come before, but it being not exact to one particular continuity is an issue?

I wouldn't call it completely new and different. It seems to take a heavy amount of influence from the Aligned backstory.

This franchise might be in need of some Beast Machines level risks. I’m talking a whole series with almost zero characters that have come before.

We got one as recent as two years ago:



And it's really good.

Well I could never forget Botbots, ending on that S7 cliffhanger!

All that being said, what you said is exactly my point, it’s really not that different after all! The Thirteen to Quintesson occupation timeline had become the go to, for better or worse (Earthspark is doing fun things).

Here’s to season 2 of both ES and Botbots! And the success of this film.

[Sabrblade]

Here’s to season 2 of both ES and Botbots! And the success of this film.

Sadly, BotBots seems to have not been renewed for a second season.

[Bumblevivisector]

Here’s to season 2 of both ES and Botbots! And the success of this film.

Sadly, BotBots seems to have not been renewed for a second season.

That's a shame, especially considering the introduction of Sector 7 implied it was going to possibly attempt to assert continuity with the live-action universe, making it even more relevant to this thread.

[Barricade.it]

They're quite far from Bayverse and IMHO it's not bad, not bad at all.

They're moving the franchise to an easier audience, it's a much less dark and more relaxed product (though We've to see the entire movie, of course). It's a good decision, as the Bayverse was in dead end by all points of view.

So, comparing TFOne (but also BBee and ROTB) to the TF1/5 it's a complete mistake.

I think We can enjoy this movie for what it is and not for different movies are.

[JazZeke]

I'm just not feeling the hype for this. More like mixed feelings. Speaking purely out of personal preference, I'm not so much a fan of Megatron and Optimus being friends before the war. It makes the world feel so much smaller.I don't WANT to see a younger, more naive Megatron. I don't care for Bumblebee being their contemporaries and not the young kid character--though I know at this point Hasbro will never NOT have Bumblebee in a movie.

Ultimately, this is just going to be another continuity for the pile. I'll go see it, but I can already tell it won't be my favorite Transformers story.

[-Kanrabat-]

I'm all for alternate universes, but I just can't see this movie being the prequel to the Bayverse. The overall tone and style are completely different.

If TF-1 is the first chapter of an entire new series of movies set in their own closed universe, I'll be all for it. Also, let the art style be consistent and stay 100% animated through the series, please.

This way, having Bee be the same age as Optimus and Megatron would stop bothering me at the very least. I mean, in most universes, Bee is supposed to be a "teen", Optimus a "30-something adult", and Megatron be "in advanced middle age".
In this new series, having those 3 be the same age will surely bring some new dynamics and characters interactions.

Regardless, I'm looking forward this movie.

[Glyph]

I'm all for alternate universes, but I just can't see this movie being the prequel to the Bayverse. The overall tone and style are completely different.

Good news! It isn't.
https://www.ign.com/articles/transforme ... ron-better

[-Kanrabat-]

I'm all for alternate universes, but I just can't see this movie being the prequel to the Bayverse. The overall tone and style are completely different.

Good news! It isn't.
https://www.ign.com/articles/transforme ... ron-better

Good.

The Bayverse is convoluted enough as it is.
No need to add another layer!

[Brokebot]

Well, the good and the bad: The animation looks great, the voices are good. I'm happy to see that the walking scrapheap aesthetic (and the clicking/buzzing/radio snippet bullshit of Bumblebee) of the Bayverse is finally being abandoned.

But the tone? The slapstick MCU comedy feel is kinda off-putting to me. I realize they have probably culled all the funny bits and packed them into the trailer to try and snare a younger demographic that I aged out of a LONG time ago, but I have a hard time seeing the future OP and Megatron in those characters as they are being presented. Especially Megatron. Then again, this wouldn't be the first trailer I've seen that completely misrepresented the actual movie, so I could be way off-base. My son liked it, so mission accomplished, I guess. Whatever keeps the franchise alive.

This looks like something I'll wait for streaming, rather than buying a ticket.

[muddyjoe]

That looks like a big plate of hot garbage and the voices just don't work. This feels too much like those last two cringe-worthy Thor movies.

[First-Aid]

After some more processing, my hope for this movie is that it has a similar end-feel to The Incredibles. That was a movie aimed at kids but had an amazing story, great characters, and started with exactly the same kind of trailer. We have to remember we are getting a snippet...not the full story. The object of THIS trailer, IMHO, is to pique interest in kids who will demand parents take them to the movie because it looks FUN to them. Like I said earlier, this trailer sold my entire office staff on the movie. That's 9 early to middle age females and one in her 60s. To a person, they said they were excited for this movie. In the end, THAT is the goal...to generate initial interest with familiar characters (this is why Elita is not featured that much...she is simply not as familiar to the general audience) and some comedy aimed at exciting the kids and maybe making us old farts chuckle a bit.

The FB Transformers Addicts page is a awash in fanboy tears and whining. Frankly, I'm disgusted. I used to think Star Wars fans were the most fickle fan base with the loudest squeaky wheels and 4-year-olds-in-40-year-old bodies throwing temper tantrums because the latest fare doesn't live up to their standards. I have changed my mind, there's a new king of the Fandom Tantrum. Congratulations, Transfans.

[-Kanrabat-]

I don't understand the whine either.
It's plainly obvious that it's the start of a new TF universe.

I could understand if the TF storyline was set in the same universe for over 40 years in some epic saga like Star Wars. But the TF franchise created a multiverse basically since G1.

So having new universes added to the pile is expected.


I wish for a movie that will cross the TF universes like the last MCU Spiderman movie. I'm looking forward the interactions between Sunbow G1 Optimus Prime and his 1st Bay trilogy self.

[Brokebot]

After some more processing, my hope for this movie is that it has a similar end-feel to The Incredibles. That was a movie aimed at kids but had an amazing story, great characters, and started with exactly the same kind of trailer. We have to remember we are getting a snippet...not the full story. The object of THIS trailer, IMHO, is to pique interest in kids who will demand parents take them to the movie because it looks FUN to them. Like I said earlier, this trailer sold my entire office staff on the movie. That's 9 early to middle age females and one in her 60s. To a person, they said they were excited for this movie. In the end, THAT is the goal...to generate initial interest with familiar characters (this is why Elita is not featured that much...she is simply not as familiar to the general audience) and some comedy aimed at exciting the kids and maybe making us old farts chuckle a bit.

The FB Transformers Addicts page is a awash in fanboy tears and whining. Frankly, I'm disgusted. I used to think Star Wars fans were the most fickle fan base with the loudest squeaky wheels and 4-year-olds-in-40-year-old bodies throwing temper tantrums because the latest fare doesn't live up to their standards. I have changed my mind, there's a new king of the Fandom Tantrum. Congratulations, Transfans.

When a restaurant starts serving **** sandwiches and blames the customer for not blindly consuming product with a smile and eagerly awaiting more product, that restaurant fails. That's a lesson Disney/Lucasfilm refuses to learn. Give the customer what they want and they remain customers. Try to cram crap down their throats that they don't want and they let you crash and burn.

[First-Aid]

After some more processing, my hope for this movie is that it has a similar end-feel to The Incredibles. That was a movie aimed at kids but had an amazing story, great characters, and started with exactly the same kind of trailer. We have to remember we are getting a snippet...not the full story. The object of THIS trailer, IMHO, is to pique interest in kids who will demand parents take them to the movie because it looks FUN to them. Like I said earlier, this trailer sold my entire office staff on the movie. That's 9 early to middle age females and one in her 60s. To a person, they said they were excited for this movie. In the end, THAT is the goal...to generate initial interest with familiar characters (this is why Elita is not featured that much...she is simply not as familiar to the general audience) and some comedy aimed at exciting the kids and maybe making us old farts chuckle a bit.

The FB Transformers Addicts page is a awash in fanboy tears and whining. Frankly, I'm disgusted. I used to think Star Wars fans were the most fickle fan base with the loudest squeaky wheels and 4-year-olds-in-40-year-old bodies throwing temper tantrums because the latest fare doesn't live up to their standards. I have changed my mind, there's a new king of the Fandom Tantrum. Congratulations, Transfans.

When a restaurant starts serving **** sandwiches and blames the customer for not blindly consuming product with a smile and eagerly awaiting more product, that restaurant fails. That's a lesson Disney/Lucasfilm refuses to learn. Give the customer what they want and they remain customers. Try to cram crap down their throats that they don't want and they let you crash and burn.

The very height of hubris is to make the assumption that you are the only customer that matters. In the grand scheme of things, more younger people are fans of the new Transformers than the old school. Since they are going to be around longer, it makes sense to focus on them as a longer revenue stream. As people have said repeatedly, these movies are NOT aimed at collectors, who frankly are a bunch of a**holes anymore. They are aimed at a broad general audience. The easter eggs are for collectors, but the movies are to the masses and designed to make money. General audiences don't pick apart characters and motivation and factor in canon like the childlike fanboys. They want an escape and to have fun. If you think that because you as a Transfan you should have a bigger input and that they should cater to your pathetic tuchus when you make up less than 0.0003% of the general population, then go take a nap and go back to your coloring books and crayons...you need to grow up.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Personally I didn't care for the trailer. For me it was all about the tone.

Aesthetically, it looks quite nice. No humans is an immediate +1. But..
I got a TMNT vibe from it. Which I like in that series. Not something I care for in Transformers. The idea of them being "young" has never really sat well with me.

Also, I get it's a popularity thing. But for the time being I'm not interested in seeing another iteration of Bumblebee, Prime and Megatron.

[Sabrblade]

I'm all for alternate universes, but I just can't see this movie being the prequel to the Bayverse. The overall tone and style are completely different.

Good news! It isn't.
https://www.ign.com/articles/transforme ... ron-better

I don't see anything in that interview that says it's a new continuity not at all connected to the previous films.

[Brokebot]

After some more processing, my hope for this movie is that it has a similar end-feel to The Incredibles. That was a movie aimed at kids but had an amazing story, great characters, and started with exactly the same kind of trailer. We have to remember we are getting a snippet...not the full story. The object of THIS trailer, IMHO, is to pique interest in kids who will demand parents take them to the movie because it looks FUN to them. Like I said earlier, this trailer sold my entire office staff on the movie. That's 9 early to middle age females and one in her 60s. To a person, they said they were excited for this movie. In the end, THAT is the goal...to generate initial interest with familiar characters (this is why Elita is not featured that much...she is simply not as familiar to the general audience) and some comedy aimed at exciting the kids and maybe making us old farts chuckle a bit.

The FB Transformers Addicts page is a awash in fanboy tears and whining. Frankly, I'm disgusted. I used to think Star Wars fans were the most fickle fan base with the loudest squeaky wheels and 4-year-olds-in-40-year-old bodies throwing temper tantrums because the latest fare doesn't live up to their standards. I have changed my mind, there's a new king of the Fandom Tantrum. Congratulations, Transfans.

When a restaurant starts serving **** sandwiches and blames the customer for not blindly consuming product with a smile and eagerly awaiting more product, that restaurant fails. That's a lesson Disney/Lucasfilm refuses to learn. Give the customer what they want and they remain customers. Try to cram crap down their throats that they don't want and they let you crash and burn.

The very height of hubris is to make the assumption that you are the only customer that matters. In the grand scheme of things, more younger people are fans of the new Transformers than the old school. Since they are going to be around longer, it makes sense to focus on them as a longer revenue stream. As people have said repeatedly, these movies are NOT aimed at collectors, who frankly are a bunch of a**holes anymore. They are aimed at a broad general audience. The easter eggs are for collectors, but the movies are to the masses and designed to make money. General audiences don't pick apart characters and motivation and factor in canon like the childlike fanboys. They want an escape and to have fun. If you think that because you as a Transfan you should have a bigger input and that they should cater to your pathetic tuchus when you make up less than 0.0003% of the general population, then go take a nap and go back to your coloring books and crayons...you need to grow up.

Personally, the only one I see acting like a child that needs a nap and pacifier is you. Whether you like it or not, people are entitled to their opinion and have the freedom to express it. If you can't emotionally come to terms with that, you are the problem, not us.

Cheers

[Glyph]

I don't see anything in that interview that says it's a new continuity not at all connected to the previous films.

I think, when talking about Transformers One, a lot of people look back to Transformers: The Movie, since that was the last animated Transformers movie. Is Transformers One taking inspiration from that movie at all or any other particular Transformers media?

Cooley: Well, not specifically that film or any other film, except for the fact that they're the same characters. [...] Then Hasbro gave me the bible of Transformers, which is, "here's the entire timeline." I didn't realize that all we've seen in film is only this tiny bit of this gigantic story.

[...]

So there was nothing that we could borrow from the other films except for the fact that they are the same characters. We're just backing up in the timeline and going, who are they before they became what we know?

Yeah, you could read this both ways, but it seems pretty clear to me that while the film is riffing on different aspects of TF lore from movies to cartoons to comics, it's not intending to be bound by any previous media?

I mean, not that the Bayverse films have ever been particularly bothered about internal continuity anyway, but this seems to be very much in the space of "another story in the TF tapestry" to me, and not intended to be in any strict continuity at all. (Beyond Hasbro's general loosey-goosey "it's all canon!" approach)

[Sabrblade]

I think, when talking about Transformers One, a lot of people look back to Transformers: The Movie, since that was the last animated Transformers movie. Is Transformers One taking inspiration from that movie at all or any other particular Transformers media?

Cooley: Well, not specifically that film or any other film, except for the fact that they're the same characters. [...] Then Hasbro gave me the bible of Transformers, which is, "here's the entire timeline." I didn't realize that all we've seen in film is only this tiny bit of this gigantic story.

[...]

So there was nothing that we could borrow from the other films except for the fact that they are the same characters. We're just backing up in the timeline and going, who are they before they became what we know?

Yeah, you could read this both ways, but it seems pretty clear to me that while the film is riffing on different aspects of TF lore from movies to cartoons to comics, it's not intending to be bound by any previous media?

I mean, not that the Bayverse films have every been particularly bothered about internal continuity anyway, but this seems to be very much in the space of "another story in the TF tapestry" to me, and not intended to be in any strict continuity at all. (Beyond Hasbro's general loosey-goosey "it's all canon!" approach)

"Transformers: The Movie" is the 1986 animated movie. That's what the question was asking about.

[alphatron10]

Reading some of these comments and. You guys realize how many backstories and various canons there’s been right? This is something new, like how all previous iterations were themselves new in their time. I just don’t understand why this movie HAS to follow all that came before, why it has to specifically stick with one set of origin stories. It’s already so based on what’s come before, but it being not exact to one particular continuity is an issue?

This franchise might be in need of some Beast Machines level risks. I’m talking a whole series with almost zero characters that have come before.

Of course I’m still excited, and of course I get someone just not wanting to see it, but some of the reasoning here is a bit confusing.

HOW DARE YOU!!!!

TRANSFORMERS IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE SAME EXACT ORIGIN IN EVERY ITERATION!!!

NOTHING CAN EVER BE EVEN SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT!!

(All sarcasm if not evident lmao)

But seriously, people just love to complain that something isn't for them, so they go and say it's bad

[Glyph]

"Transformers: The Movie" is the 1986 animated movie. That's what the question was asking about.

Yes, I know - they also said "any other Transformers media" and Cooley said "or any other film". I'm reading "they're the same characters" as "it's Optimus Prime", not "it's Optimus Prime (2007 continuity)".

In fact, if they were specifically talking about TF '86, then "they're the same characters" would be referring to Sunbow Optimus in that sentence!


--EDIT--
Argh, replies coming in while I type.

[Sabrblade]

This interview with director Josh Cooley explains why the trailer has so many jokes in it:

That being said, in the trailer, we showcase a lot of comedy because we were having so much fun with these characters and with these actors that it just naturally made its way into the film. Optimus and Megatron become enemies, and so I wanted to make sure that the audience fell in love with them as brothers, as friends early on. By the end of this film, there's some serious stakes and there's the same amount of action and adventure that you come to expect from a Transformers film. It has that fun, light tone to it, but then it gets very real as well.