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Ah Elita's the torso! I thought she might just be the head that flips out from under some other femme bot - thank you both for the clarification.

I hope they can work on the chunkiness then, if she's that PotP Starscream....

bodrock wrote:Ah Elita's the torso! I thought she might just be the head that flips out from under some other femme bot - thank you both for the clarification....

Yes, that POTP, not CW. The combined mode is the same character as the torso, just supposed to be on "evolved/power mode"

Ah, I get it now, ExciKaiser! It really makes me wonder, had Arcee won the Prime poll if this is what she would have been as well.

I'm eager to see a lot more pics! And the first sighting....but with TR and TLK cramming shelves, and the former with toys from wave1 still, it's probably gonna be next year. I'm hoping for Xmas tho.

bodrock wrote:Ah, I get it now, ExciKaiser! It really makes me wonder, had Arcee won the Prime poll if this is what she would have been as well.

Had she won, we'd be getting her as an evolving Leader class toy instead of Optimus Primal.

I do like the bulkiness as it's evocative of the character -- I just hope her arms are given a far better treatment than Starscream's. I have no idea what they were thinking with those huge chunky mitts as it throws the whole thing off

I'll have to agree with everyone that the Defensor redeco is indeed Inferno. Not only was he the one leaked, but his combined form has Dinobots for limbs, which indicates that he, like Starscream, is a stand-alone torso. Shame, I really would have liked to see Firestormer.

And blast my eye for detail. Elita-1 seems to be a stand-alone torso as well, as her art has Jazz as one of the legs. Awkward much? Inferno has SlugSlag and some vehicle as legs, with (I think) another Dinobot as an arm.

Does anything think Dreadwind's hand piece resembled one of the Powermasters, or is it just me?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I'll have to agree with everyone that the Defensor redeco is indeed Inferno. Not only was he the one leaked, but his combined form has Dinobots for limbs, which indicates that he, like Starscream, is a stand-alone torso. Shame, I really would have liked to see Firestormer.

And blast my eye for detail. Elita-1 seems to be a stand-alone torso as well, as her art has Jazz as one of the legs. Awkward much? Inferno has SlugSlag and some vehicle as legs, with (I think) another Dinobot as an arm.

Does anything think Dreadwind's hand piece resembled one of the Powermasters, or is it just me?

I don't think that's what's being implied at all. Remember -- unlike where CW had just a Combaticon wave or an Optimus Maximus wave, the limbs for each Combiner this time around are spread all throughout different waves. So if all of Elita-1's Limbs aren't out yet, they can't just advertise her with them on -- you'd be advertising toys that kids can't get yet.

It's more like how early promotional material for CW showed Optimus combining with Wave 1 - three Aerialbots and a Decepticon - even though he later got a dedicated team.

Kurona wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I'll have to agree with everyone that the Defensor redeco is indeed Inferno. Not only was he the one leaked, but his combined form has Dinobots for limbs, which indicates that he, like Starscream, is a stand-alone torso. Shame, I really would have liked to see Firestormer.

And blast my eye for detail. Elita-1 seems to be a stand-alone torso as well, as her art has Jazz as one of the legs. Awkward much? Inferno has SlugSlag and some vehicle as legs, with (I think) another Dinobot as an arm.

Does anything think Dreadwind's hand piece resembled one of the Powermasters, or is it just me?

I don't think that's what's being implied at all. Remember -- unlike where CW had just a Combaticon wave or an Optimus Maximus wave, the limbs for each Combiner this time around are spread all throughout different waves. So if all of Elita-1's Limbs aren't out yet, they can't just advertise her with them on -- you'd be advertising toys that kids can't get yet.

It's more like how early promotional material for CW showed Optimus combining with Wave 1 - three Aerialbots and a Decepticon - even though he later got a dedicated team.

... as a different torso who are in the same wave

And I'll counter that argument with Abominus being made of all Terrorcons, despite being split between two waves. Same for Volcanicus. True, they're consecutive waves, but that only makes it more likely that Elita-1 and Inferno are stand-alone. Also, Moonracer and the rumored Novastar/Firestar have on wave between them.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And blast my eye for detail. Elita-1 seems to be a stand-alone torso as well, as her art has Jazz as one of the legs. Awkward much?

Not sure. From the leaks we know at least 3 autobots limbs outside the dinobots. So Elita may be their official torso.

I think everyone is way overthinking the combiners. The reason the artwork has random limbs on them is because those are the limbs that are going to be out at the same time. Much like how Superion had drag strip initially and when groove was released it showed him as a limb for sky reign. These pictures mean nothing. Besides we already know that Elita 1 is getting at least 2 limbs of her own so it's not far fetched to think that she'll get 2 more

Saw this on TFW. Perhaps there's some hope for Inferno yet

Also any idea what or who is on Infernos left shoulder?

steals_your_goats wrote:Saw this on TFW. Perhaps there's some hope for Inferno yet

Also any idea what or who is on Infernos left shoulder?

At a guess, Sludge. Size seems about right.

steals_your_goats wrote:Saw this on TFW. Perhaps there's some hope for Inferno yet

Wouldn't make that much sense to retool those just panels. Besides, the leaks were of such quality that distortions when enlarged could easily occur, then there's Hasbro's penchant for mistransforming.

Also any idea what or who is on Infernos left shoulder?

I believe that's Sludge.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:Saw this on TFW. Perhaps there's some hope for Inferno yet

Wouldn't make that much sense to retool those just panels. Besides, the leaks were of such quality that distortions when enlarged could easily occur, then there's Hasbro's penchant for mistransforming.

Yeah but those pieces are completely different shapes even enlarging something doesn't change a rectangle shape to a dome shape.

I'm actually a bit disappointed in this...

Elite confirmed from Starscream... just no, come on. Starscream really needed to avoid the combiner gimmick since it made his jet mode very lackluster. And Elita as a flyer, from that mold...

And Inferno confirmed as a Hot Spot retool... come on. That is cheap and lazy as crap.

At least Abominus looks great so far. I'm sort of hoping for a boxset redeco of him in shattered glass colors with his scholarly book.

And Slug definitely needs a larger frill.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:And Inferno confirmed as a Hot Spot retool... come on. That is cheap and lazy as crap.

Every CW torso had a new-headed pretool.

Silverbolt's was Scattershot
Optimus's was Battle Core Optimus
Motormaster's was the Nemesis Prime head that got used for Toxitron instead
Cyclonus's was supposedly a Starscream that never saw release
Onslaught's was the unreleased Armada Demolishor
Sky Lynx's was Dezaras

And Hot Spot's was Inferno, who is just late to the party.

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:And Inferno confirmed as a Hot Spot retool... come on. That is cheap and lazy as crap.

Every CW torso had a new-headed pretool.

Silverbolt's was Scattershot
Optimus's was Battle Core Optimus
Motormaster's was the Nemesis Prime head that got used for Toxitron instead
Cyclonus's was supposedly a Starscream that never saw release
Onslaught's was the unreleased Armada Demolishor
Sky Lynx's was Dezaras

And Hot Spot's was Inferno, who is just late to the party.

Again: cheap and incredibly lazy as crap.

Releasing almost the exact same mold 3 years later in another line centered on combining is lame as crap, no amount of "pre-tooled" head can excuse that.

Eh, we've already got a perfect Inferno from Universe anyway. Anything else is just gravy.

Kurona wrote:Eh, we've already got a perfect Inferno from Universe anyway. Anything else is just gravy.

That came out years before I actually started collecting and I've yet to find one for a decent price.

At the very least, I hope they do some extensive retooling to Inferno as an individual. That may be the only thing that saves him

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:And Inferno confirmed as a Hot Spot retool... come on. That is cheap and lazy as crap.

Every CW torso had a new-headed pretool.

Silverbolt's was Scattershot
Optimus's was Battle Core Optimus
Motormaster's was the Nemesis Prime head that got used for Toxitron instead
Cyclonus's was supposedly a Starscream that never saw release
Onslaught's was the unreleased Armada Demolishor
Sky Lynx's was Dezaras

And Hot Spot's was Inferno, who is just late to the party.

You sure about the bolded ones? I thought they were "added on", given that Scattershot has a few other parts changed, something the others did not do, plus like Brawl, Sky Lynx was a late addition and may not even have a second option built in.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:And Inferno confirmed as a Hot Spot retool... come on. That is cheap and lazy as crap.

Every CW torso had a new-headed pretool.

Silverbolt's was Scattershot
Optimus's was Battle Core Optimus
Motormaster's was the Nemesis Prime head that got used for Toxitron instead
Cyclonus's was supposedly a Starscream that never saw release
Onslaught's was the unreleased Armada Demolishor
Sky Lynx's was Dezaras

And Hot Spot's was Inferno, who is just late to the party.

You sure about the bolded ones? I thought they were "added on", given that Scattershot has a few other parts changed, something the others did not do, plus like Brawl, Sky Lynx was a late addition and may not even have a second option built in.

We haven't heard anything else to the contrary (at least for Silverbolt), have we?

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:And Inferno confirmed as a Hot Spot retool... come on. That is cheap and lazy as crap.

Every CW torso had a new-headed pretool.

Silverbolt's was Scattershot
Optimus's was Battle Core Optimus
Motormaster's was the Nemesis Prime head that got used for Toxitron instead
Cyclonus's was supposedly a Starscream that never saw release
Onslaught's was the unreleased Armada Demolishor
Sky Lynx's was Dezaras

And Hot Spot's was Inferno, who is just late to the party.

Again: cheap and incredibly lazy as crap.

Releasing almost the exact same mold 3 years later in another line centered on combining is lame as crap, no amount of "pre-tooled" head can excuse that.

Would you rather Inferno had gone the way of the other unreleased pretools and never come out at all?

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:And Inferno confirmed as a Hot Spot retool... come on. That is cheap and lazy as crap.

Every CW torso had a new-headed pretool.

Silverbolt's was Scattershot
Optimus's was Battle Core Optimus
Motormaster's was the Nemesis Prime head that got used for Toxitron instead
Cyclonus's was supposedly a Starscream that never saw release
Onslaught's was the unreleased Armada Demolishor
Sky Lynx's was Dezaras

And Hot Spot's was Inferno, who is just late to the party.

Again: cheap and incredibly lazy as crap.

Releasing almost the exact same mold 3 years later in another line centered on combining is lame as crap, no amount of "pre-tooled" head can excuse that.

Would you rather Inferno had gone the way of the other unreleased pretools and never come out at all?

Yes. That mold in no way is good for him other than being a fire truck, and honestly, a retooled Hun-Gurr as IDW Strafe, or a retooled Grimlock as someone else would have been more applicable and fun, not a (let's see, Hot Spot, Onslaught, G2 Slaught, Pyra Magna) 5th Hasbro usage of that mold.

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:And Inferno confirmed as a Hot Spot retool... come on. That is cheap and lazy as crap.

Every CW torso had a new-headed pretool.

Silverbolt's was Scattershot
Optimus's was Battle Core Optimus
Motormaster's was the Nemesis Prime head that got used for Toxitron instead
Cyclonus's was supposedly a Starscream that never saw release
Onslaught's was the unreleased Armada Demolishor
Sky Lynx's was Dezaras

And Hot Spot's was Inferno, who is just late to the party.

You sure about the bolded ones? I thought they were "added on", given that Scattershot has a few other parts changed, something the others did not do, plus like Brawl, Sky Lynx was a late addition and may not even have a second option built in.

We haven't heard anything else to the contrary (at least for Silverbolt), have we?

True, I guess the signs pointing to either direction balance each other out.

Inferno being a headswap without any additional retooling is pretty much a given though. I was hoping for at least the Combiner head to be retooled, but alas...

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Yes. That mold in no way is good for him other than being a fire truck, and honestly, a retooled Hun-Gurr as IDW Strafe, or a retooled Grimlock as someone else would have been more applicable and fun, not a (let's see, Hot Spot, Onslaught, G2 Slaught, Pyra Magna) 5th Hasbro usage of that mold.

If you don't like retools don't buy em and let the others who don't mind such as my self get them.

There will always be retools and repaints for cost reasons and to make sure HasTak gets full millage out of the molds.