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william-james88 wrote:

Burn wrote:

Kurona wrote:It's a very good stand-in to be sure. Only thing is that from this angle, POTP OP's ankles look a bit... I don't know how to describe it other than "construct-bots-y". Otherwise, brilliant.

ugh ... those ankles just gave me flashbacks to Legends Ginrai.

And I hate those **** ankles.

You and me both

How would you have implemented it otherwise? It was designed for the Godbomber unification mode.

I definitely want this for the Orion Pax. The combined with trailer into Optimus looks great too. But if they do go crazy, remold Orion as Optimus, then redo the trailer as Ultra Magnus, I'm buying two. One to be Ultra Magnus, one to repaint as Optimus so they can scale... Dreams right?

fenrir72 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Burn wrote:

Kurona wrote:It's a very good stand-in to be sure. Only thing is that from this angle, POTP OP's ankles look a bit... I don't know how to describe it other than "construct-bots-y". Otherwise, brilliant.

ugh ... those ankles just gave me flashbacks to Legends Ginrai.

And I hate those **** ankles.

You and me both

How would you have implemented it otherwise? It was designed for the Godbomber unification mode.

I mean I'm no toy designer but there must be some other way to do the ankles other than 3 pieces of flimsy plastic that don't connect or secure to anything. While the design of the feet is not completely terrible the execution is sorely lacking.

Ah, just a little more paint. A little silver around the windows and the hands blue and this bad boy would be perfect.

Lucky Logician wrote:

Rated X wrote:As far as this being a good "stand in" for MP-10, how about just buying a real MP-10? They are available in TRUs everywhere currently. Dont got a TRU nearby? Try e-bay. Theres a version of the MP-10 mold with or without the trailer for every budget out there. Dont compare this thing to an MP figure just because it takes certain cues. Its like comparing apples and oranges.

Rated X wrote:I only got one which is the latest TRU reissue. I was under the assumption that all the Takara and Hasbro reissues plus the YOTH MP-10 saturated the market and brought the price down. And thats not counting the very affordable KOs. I never looked at the prices on ebay. But its not a rare mold to own like calling the POTP prime a "stand in" sort of implies.

I have no idea where you are getting that assumption from about saturated market. Despite constant releases, the price has only gone up. I don't know why you think MP-10 is 'for every budget'. The cheapest official MP-10 I can find is $100. Not everyone can afford that for a single figure. And the KO is $50, which some people don't want. Sure PotP will also be $50, but that can be bought on sale if a person waits.

I have to also point out. Say I have a disposable budget of say 200.00. I see a bot I like for 50.00. I need three other bots, but pass on one because overall, it's 200. So I go for a different character or bot, or line to update my collection. sometimes it's a "I want to get the most bots for the money I have" sort of thing..

Lucky Logician wrote:

Rated X wrote:As far as this being a good "stand in" for MP-10, how about just buying a real MP-10? They are available in TRUs everywhere currently. Dont got a TRU nearby? Try e-bay. Theres a version of the MP-10 mold with or without the trailer for every budget out there. Dont compare this thing to an MP figure just because it takes certain cues. Its like comparing apples and oranges.

Rated X wrote:I only got one which is the latest TRU reissue. I was under the assumption that all the Takara and Hasbro reissues plus the YOTH MP-10 saturated the market and brought the price down. And thats not counting the very affordable KOs. I never looked at the prices on ebay. But its not a rare mold to own like calling the POTP prime a "stand in" sort of implies.

I have no idea where you are getting that assumption from about saturated market. Despite constant releases, the price has only gone up. I don't know why you think MP-10 is 'for every budget'. The cheapest official MP-10 I can find is $100. Not everyone can afford that for a single figure. And the KO is $50, which some people don't want. Sure PotP will also be $50, but that can be bought on sale if a person waits.

Where im getting my assumption on the saturated market is the constant re-release of MP-10 in all kind of decos from Hasbro and Takara. It is by no means a rare mold that is impossible to own. And the thing people dont seem to get about e-bay is sellers can "ask" whatever crazy price they want, but that doesnt mean they are getting that price. So on e-bay it sits gathering dust till one smart seller lowballs the others and gets some sales. You said it yourself, you found MP-10 for 100 bucks. People hate when I say this, but any adult who can afford to spend $50 on a toy most likely can afford to spend $100. Im not talking about a parent on a budget buying a toy for his kid. Im talking about a grown ass man who jumps in his own vehicle and drives to TRU to buy a $50 toy. He can afford $100 because if he cant WTF is he doing blowing $50 on toys? (Thats my take on it) Granted this site does have posters who are under the age of 18 and might only get figures as gifts or from saving allowance money. Im not denying that. But Im fairly confident a majority of the people who post here are grown men. Especially when it comes to any transformers toys that homage G1 characters from the 80s. And im also fairly confident that those people who made the "stand in for MP-10" comment were grown men. And im not trying to disrespect them either. I just find it very annoying when adults who spend $50 or more on a toy start talking about budget. Especially when it comes to the MP line which are considered high end collectibles even if TRU chooses to sell them. You dont find MP figures in Walmart or Target. The MP line is a pay to play hobby. Its your collection and you can collect whatever you want. But if you start mixing and matching MP figures with leader class figures sooner or later somebodys eyes are gonna roll...

fenrir72 wrote:

Rated X wrote:Ill be buying this POTP Optimus just for the Orion Pax. Hopefully the trailer actually does something in robot mode besides being a blown out torso...a base mode perhaps?

As far as this being a good "stand in" for MP-10, how about just buying a real MP-10? They are available in TRUs everywhere currently. Dont got a TRU nearby? Try e-bay. Theres a version of the MP-10 mold with or without the trailer for every budget out there. Dont compare this thing to an MP figure just because it takes certain cues. Its like comparing apples and oranges.

What did you do to the REal Rated X?

Is Tsutsukakushi finally getting his Overlord ?

Of course its the real me...

Rated X wrote:

Lucky Logician wrote:

Rated X wrote:[snip for length]

I have no idea where you are getting that assumption from about saturated market. Despite constant releases, the price has only gone up. I don't know why you think MP-10 is 'for every budget'. The cheapest official MP-10 I can find is $100. Not everyone can afford that for a single figure. And the KO is $50, which some people don't want. Sure PotP will also be $50, but that can be bought on sale if a person waits.

Where im getting my assumption on the saturated market is the constant re-release of MP-10 in all kind of decos from Hasbro and Takara. It is by no means a rare mold that is impossible to own. And the thing people dont seem to get about e-bay is sellers can "ask" whatever crazy price they want, but that doesnt mean they are getting that price. So on e-bay it sits gathering dust till one smart seller lowballs the others and gets some sales. You said it yourself, you found MP-10 for 100 bucks. People hate when I say this, but any adult who can afford to spend $50 on a toy most likely can afford to spend $100. Im not talking about a parent on a budget buying a toy for his kid. Im talking about a grown ass man who jumps in his own vehicle and drives to TRU to buy a $50 toy. He can afford $100 because if he cant WTF is he doing blowing $50 on toys? (Thats my take on it) Granted this site does have posters who are under the age of 18 and might only get figures as gifts or from saving allowance money. Im not denying that. But Im fairly confident a majority of the people who post here are grown men. Especially when it comes to any transformers toys that homage G1 characters from the 80s. And im also fairly confident that those people who made the "stand in for MP-10" comment were grown men. And im not trying to disrespect them either. I just find it very annoying when adults who spend $50 or more on a toy start talking about budget. Especially when it comes to the MP line which are considered high end collectibles even if TRU chooses to sell them. You dont find MP figures in Walmart or Target. The MP line is a pay to play hobby. Its your collection and you can collect whatever you want. But if you start mixing and matching MP figures with leader class figures sooner or later somebodys eyes are gonna roll...

I know skywarp-2's post is only right above, but I think they said it really well...

skywarp-2 wrote:I have to also point out. Say I have a disposable budget of say 200.00. I see a bot I like for 50.00. I need three other bots, but pass on one because overall, it's 200. So I go for a different character or bot, or line to update my collection. sometimes it's a "I want to get the most bots for the money I have" sort of thing..

Just because one can spend $100 on a toy doesn't mean one wants to. I have MP-10, it's great, I love it to bits - but it seems a lot of the excitement about this Leader Optimus is due to the fact that it looks like it'll be really good for the price. Don't think about it like whether people want to spend $50 or $100 on a toy; think about it like if people want to spend $100, would they rather get one great toy or a really good toy and also 3 or 4 other quite-good toys? I know which one I'd choose much of the time.

Octobotimus wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Power of the Primes Leader Optimus Prime looks great, even compared to MP-10. He'll be a worthy compliment to Combiner Wars/Legends Leader Megtron. The ONLY gripe I have with this PotP version is the gray hands. For something that's supposed to be G1AF, that's a big mistake. I'm sure Takara Tomy will get that right, at least.

well.....you could always paint it yourself and not pay takara's extra 20 or more bucks.....

I generally don't like to modify my Transformers in any permanent way like that. It ruins the collector value and resellability.

Even if the vehicle mode look a bit iffy and Orion Pax have that MASSIVE backpack, I WILL buy that Optimus for sure. Because the Orion Pax gimmick is brilliant and that bot mode sure is awesome.

On a side note, I do own MP-01 and MP-10. Both are great figures with their own strengths. But why do I have both of those MPs? Because each give me a different experience. The PotP Optimus will too and that's why I want him.

Still, if one only have very limited space and room for one Optimus figure, he's better go with MP-10. And if the guy is so tight on money he can barely afford food... He better go with a BAPE exclusive!

fenrir72 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Burn wrote:

Kurona wrote:It's a very good stand-in to be sure. Only thing is that from this angle, POTP OP's ankles look a bit... I don't know how to describe it other than "construct-bots-y". Otherwise, brilliant.

ugh ... those ankles just gave me flashbacks to Legends Ginrai.

And I hate those **** ankles.

You and me both

How would you have implemented it otherwise? It was designed for the Godbomber unification mode.

I have no idea. I'm not a toy designer.

I wasn't aware I had to be a toy designer to express my dislike of a design aspect. I guess being a fan just isn't enough these days is it?

-Kanrabat- wrote:Even if the vehicle mode look a bit iffy and Orion Pax have that MASSIVE backpack, I WILL buy that Optimus for sure. Because the Orion Pax gimmick is brilliant and that bot mode sure is awesome.

Same. I mean lets face it, up until now, Orion Pax has never had a unique mold of his own, he's always been a repaint of someone else.

Burn wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Burn wrote:

Kurona wrote:It's a very good stand-in to be sure. Only thing is that from this angle, POTP OP's ankles look a bit... I don't know how to describe it other than "construct-bots-y". Otherwise, brilliant.

ugh ... those ankles just gave me flashbacks to Legends Ginrai.

And I hate those **** ankles.

You and me both

How would you have implemented it otherwise? It was designed for the Godbomber unification mode.

I have no idea. I'm not a toy designer.

I wasn't aware I had to be a toy designer to express my dislike of a design aspect. I guess being a fan just isn't enough these days is it?

-Kanrabat- wrote:Even if the vehicle mode look a bit iffy and Orion Pax have that MASSIVE backpack, I WILL buy that Optimus for sure. Because the Orion Pax gimmick is brilliant and that bot mode sure is awesome.

Same. I mean lets face it, up until now, Orion Pax has never had a unique mold of his own, he's always been a repaint of someone else.

eh? was the Generations Orion a repaint of someone else? coz I could've sworn that Leo Prime was a repaint of Orion Pax

Burn wrote:Same. I mean lets face it, up until now, Orion Pax has never had a unique mold of his own, he's always been a repaint of someone else.

I think this guy would like to have a word with you

Rated X wrote:Its your collection and you can collect whatever you want. But if you start mixing and matching MP figures with leader class figures sooner or later somebodys eyes are gonna roll...

Right now I've got TR Megatron, MP Road Rage, A Sky Reign (with Offroad, Alpha Bravo, Prowl and Mirage as limbs) and a Zesk from Bionicle sitting up on my desk. I kinda tend to not care what somebody else thinks of my personal collection

xMXUx wrote:

Burn wrote:Same. I mean lets face it, up until now, Orion Pax has never had a unique mold of his own, he's always been a repaint of someone else.

I think this guy would like to have a word with you

eh, I stand corrected.

Though in my defence, I don't think he was released out here.

Plus PotP Orion Pax looks better.

Burn wrote:Plus PotP Orion Pax looks better.

My only gripe with the upcoming Orion Pax is that he'll transform into the traditional Optimus cab. Sure, asking for a quadruple changer off a deluxe is a bit much but it would have been nice if Orion Pax would be able to pull off his pick-up mode.

Maybe a creative fan-transformation will do the trick? I really can't wait to have that PotP Leader Optimus in hand to try it out. When it come out, it will be a one day buy, no wait for a sale.

........... ...........

Still, I have a dreadful feeling that the PotP prices will follow the TLK movie line and increase by 30% to 50% in one go. In that case, I'll be extremely selective of what I'll buy.

Kurona wrote:

Rated X wrote:Its your collection and you can collect whatever you want. But if you start mixing and matching MP figures with leader class figures sooner or later somebodys eyes are gonna roll...

Right now I've got TR Megatron, MP Road Rage, A Sky Reign (with Offroad, Alpha Bravo, Prowl and Mirage as limbs) and a Zesk from Bionicle sitting up on my desk. I kinda tend to not care what somebody else thinks of my personal collection

As it should be! All of those are fantastically fun figures.
...except Zesk. My love for Bionicle is strong, but I never got on board with the soft-reboot around the gladiator-esque series. Honestly I think it was the fist-shaped hands that bothered me more than anything. Still, to each their own and all that

On the point of budgets though, I firmly disagree with the idea that "if you have 50, you have 100". Im a student so on a perputally less-than-great budget, but that doesn't mean I have to go without the things I enjoy. It's less about whether I have the money and more about whether I can comfortably part with the money. Like, yes I have some cash, but I'd rather hold on to most of it and not risk putting myself in a riskier financial situation. If my toy budget for a month was 50 bucks, doubling it would be pretty significant!
...that's all kinds irrelevant though as whilst potp does look great compared to the mp, it just doesn't quite stand up enough in my eyes (as an MP-alike, he's sensational in his own right in terms of looks and play pattern!). I think if the grey "frame" that the chest windows slide into in robot mode were red so as not to stand out as much, that might change my mind

Burn wrote:

xMXUx wrote:

Burn wrote:Same. I mean lets face it, up until now, Orion Pax has never had a unique mold of his own, he's always been a repaint of someone else.

I think this guy would like to have a word with you

eh, I stand corrected.

Though in my defence, I don't think he was released out here.

Plus PotP Orion Pax looks better.

I agree. Its about time Orion Pax gets a figure with his real head sculpt instead of the hideous IDW abomination of Optimus Prime without his faceplate. If the neck joints match I would consider buying an extra POTP Prime just to upgrade thrilling 30s Pax head.

As happy as I am for the G1 Dinobots, I still wish we got the rest of the Fall of Cybertron Dinobots. I know there are 3rd party ones that are really good, but too expensive. The FoC Dinobot designs were so epic and awesome, especially with the glowy lines and parts. But if we got a an update to mass retail... Do I dare hope to believe that this is may be a forerunner to MP Dinobots to stand along side MP Grimlock? MP Swoop would be worth the money to me, hopefully with changeable chest colors.

ArmadaPrime wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Rated X wrote:Its your collection and you can collect whatever you want. But if you start mixing and matching MP figures with leader class figures sooner or later somebodys eyes are gonna roll...

Right now I've got TR Megatron, MP Road Rage, A Sky Reign (with Offroad, Alpha Bravo, Prowl and Mirage as limbs) and a Zesk from Bionicle sitting up on my desk. I kinda tend to not care what somebody else thinks of my personal collection

As it should be! All of those are fantastically fun figures.
...except Zesk. My love for Bionicle is strong, but I never got on board with the soft-reboot around the gladiator-esque series. Honestly I think it was the fist-shaped hands that bothered me more than anything. Still, to each their own and all that

On the point of budgets though, I firmly disagree with the idea that "if you have 50, you have 100". Im a student so on a perputally less-than-great budget, but that doesn't mean I have to go without the things I enjoy. It's less about whether I have the money and more about whether I can comfortably part with the money. Like, yes I have some cash, but I'd rather hold on to most of it and not risk putting myself in a riskier financial situation. If my toy budget for a month was 50 bucks, doubling it would be pretty significant!
...that's all kinds irrelevant though as whilst potp does look great compared to the mp, it just doesn't quite stand up enough in my eyes (as an MP-alike, he's sensational in his own right in terms of looks and play pattern!). I think if the grey "frame" that the chest windows slide into in robot mode were red so as not to stand out as much, that might change my mind

I too am a student, so what you said is my exact situation too! Though, right now I have practically no money at all... I'm waiting for my loans to come in

And I will fight you about the Glatorian era. I loved Malum.

I have to be honest, of all the designs I expected people to clamour for an accurate representation of, G1 cartoon Orion Pax was not one of them. He always looked far too...blobby for me, especially that weird head. And even aside from that, this toy is...not good looking. Especially those hollow shins and that truck mode.

I mean mainly I'm just salty we got Orion Pax "evolving" into an oversized Optimus Prime and not a regular Optimus evolving into an anime-style super mode (ala RID or the UT). That I would have bought.

Kurona wrote:I'm not sure how rarity comes into it?

It has nothing to do with it. The toys are at different price points entirely. Nomatter how common a toyota corrola might be, it will always cost more than a 50$ leader class TF toy. Same with MP10, its just a higher end toy, and shouldnt really be compared when it comes to price.

Also, if people truly had strict MP collections and didnt mix and match anything that wasnt a Has tak MP, then the 3p market wouldnt exist.

I'm excited for the POTP line. I will prob only get Volcanicus (all dinobots) & Abominus. Also will be getting the new dinobot slash whatever scout come scout class for Abominus and voyager Starscream.
Also a grwat idea I think for Hasbro would be to release the new combiner fit alone as upgrade kits for the CW figures.

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:I'm not sure how rarity comes into it?

It has nothing to do with it. The toys are at different price points entirely. Nomatter how common a toyota corrola might be, it will always cost more than a 50$ leader class TF toy. Same with MP10, its just a higher end toy, and shouldnt really be compared when it comes to price.

Also, if people truly had strict MP collections and didnt mix and match anything that wasnt a Has tak MP, then the 3p market wouldnt exist.

And things would be a lot less interesting! (imho)

It cannot be denied that MP-only displays are nothing short of marvellous -- I know this if only because of Cyberpath posting in the Awesome pictures thread every day The meticulous attention to detail, capturing the on-screen appearances and making each figure as perfect as possible is evident in nearly all the Masterpiece figures and a shelf of them is a wonder to behold. But that ain't what I'm here for; especially since the G1 cartoon isn't something I love enough to spend that amount of money on. I'm here for cool figures and random characters I like.

So I'll happily get pit Road Rage against Wolfwire and Vortex; I will most assuredly have my future MP Bluestreak teamed up with Defensor; and I certainly won't shy away from having POTP Optimus stand around with MP Buzzsaw and Clamp Down. Because it's fun.



... though, really, I'm saying all this and one of the big reasons I want POTP Optimus is for an IDW ex-RiD display with Leader Thundercracker, Soundwave and Jetfire Hopefully POTP Jazz, Universe Sunstreaker and TR Arcee too. And someone get a third party company on a Voyager Cosmos!


Talking of Leader-class MP stand-ins, how many have we got at this point? CW Megatron, CW Seekers, TR Soundwave & Blaster, POTP Optimus & Rodimus, some may count TR Sixshot and Sky Shadow depending on their preferred scale...

steals_your_goats wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Burn wrote:

Kurona wrote:It's a very good stand-in to be sure. Only thing is that from this angle, POTP OP's ankles look a bit... I don't know how to describe it other than "construct-bots-y". Otherwise, brilliant.

ugh ... those ankles just gave me flashbacks to Legends Ginrai.

And I hate those **** ankles.

You and me both

How would you have implemented it otherwise? It was designed for the Godbomber unification mode.

I mean I'm no toy designer but there must be some other way to do the ankles other than 3 pieces of flimsy plastic that don't connect or secure to anything. While the design of the feet is not completely terrible the execution is sorely lacking.

We dont have to be toy designers so know that statement is bogus (also, I am surprised Fenrir can still see my posts with him being on my ignore list, but I digress). The pegging system to give Jirai bigger boots is prety much the same as Cybertron's Optimus / Galaxy Convoy.



Its just a peg hole and it could have been under any shaped surface including (as we see in the example above) a normal looking foot. So no, the implementation of godbomber isnt related, that foot and ankle is wonky just because takara wanted it to look like the weird toes Jirai had in the cartoon. Which is also botched because his toes didnt extend below his foot. It was a bad design choice and we can either look beyond it or stay angry. but saying it needed to be this way is being in denial, plain as that.