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"RickyLeeSTF", at TFW2005 was credited there for these pictures of Elita-1.











(Source: - http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/02/11/hand ... a-1-358205 )

Damn, stickers aside she looks pretty good! I might have to spring for her.

(...And now I really am going to bed. Argh.)

Rated X wrote:If we are going to homage everything stupid about a brick toy that made it a "toy" we might as well put fake screws too. Oops they did that too on Powerglide's forehead.

Of all the things for someone moaning about lack of cartoon accuracy to complain about that shouldn't be one of them.





Emerje

Trying to compare Elita-1 with Starscream, and a lot of parts are actually different. This is CW Dead End into Streetwise style retooling folks.

Elita looks badass. Very excited to get her. Probably gonna go ahead and give her my current Sky Reign limb configuration (Alpha Bravo, Jazz, Prowl, and Wheeljack/Trailbreaker) when I manage to get her. Should look pretty good.

Elita looks really nice in bot and jet mode but I feel like combined form doesn't really work for her. The body is just too bulky for her head.

The real question is: can she actually transform into a jet this time 'round

steals_your_goats wrote:Elita looks really nice...(but)...The body is just too bulky for her head.

Like this? Not that I am stating this is a bad thing, however.

primalxconvoy wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:Elita looks really nice...(but)...The body is just too bulky for her head.

Like this? Not that I am stating this is a bad thing, however.

Naw, you're on point more or less, there is definitely something off about her combined mode's proportions, but, at least they're trying something new with combiner transformations, and her bot mode is still sublime

Rated X wrote:

william-james88 wrote:What is included in a CHUG line or how the toys look will change depending on which designer is in charge of the line, there is no set rule.

This I do agree with you. We have seen the line slowly shift from "Neo" alt modes to straight up G1 alt modes. I imagine the newer designers see the value of cartoon accuracy more than their predecessors who designed the Universe 2.0 lines.

We dont need to imagine, we know all the facts since the curent designer has been very vocal about it all. The current head designer, John Warden, grew up with the G1 toys just like you did (and may be about your age or slightly older). His favourite toys were Roadbuster and the other non Takara G1 toys (Whirl, and Jetfire) hence why when he was given the job, those were the first toys he decided to do first. And notice, what he likes about G1 is the toys. Roadbuster wasnt even on the show. So to John Warden, what defines his G1 experience is the toys and he wishes to recreate his experience with kids of today. Hence why he goes all G1 toy slavish.

So thats why the show accurate deco doesnt work sometimes, these toys in general arent meant for it. Leader Soundwave is a great example of that (with the forearms).

Anyways, there are some genretions toys designed by Takara and not Hasbro and those work super well with the show accurate deco since they were made with that idea from the get go. Those include Gen Arcee, Devastator and Skybyte and thats why for all of those I went with the Takara deco since that was the intended deco for the designs.

The only problem I have with Hun-Gurr's torso mode is that the stickers for the sides of the combiner chest are a terrible color match for the purple paint used. That's a double fail, for me. They should have just painted those parts to match the rest of the chest if they couldn't get the stickers to even look close to the right color. I bet there are deco artists at Takara Tomy right now who are just loosing their **** over these compromises, lol!

Elita-1 looks fantastic, though. At least her stickers seem to match the colors of her plastics and paint apps fairly well. I love the sculpting too. She's got so much character! She's a much better use of the base mold/engineering than Starscream. Here's hoping we get Greenlight and Lancer in 2019 to round out the cast of Season 2 Female Autobots, A.K.A., Alpha Trion's Angels.

Wolfman Jake wrote:The only problem I have with Hun-Gurr's torso mode is that the stickers for the sides of the combiner chest are a terrible color match for the purple paint used. That's a double fail, for me. They should have just painted those parts to match the rest of the chest if they couldn't get the stickers to even look close to the right color. I bet there are deco artists at Takara Tomy right now who are just loosing their **** over these compromises, lol!

Elita-1 looks fantastic, though. At least her stickers seem to match the colors of her plastics and paint apps fairly well. I love the sculpting too. She's got so much character! She's a much better use of the base mold/engineering than Starscream. Here's hoping we get Greenlight and Lancer in 2019 to round out the cast of Season 2 Female Autobots, A.K.A., Alpha Trion's Angels.

Pretty sure the stickers on the necks of the dragon mode (those ones, right?) are supposed to be red, why? dunno, but, they look to be red, and don't seem to have been intended to blend in with the purple paint

I'm sure it was probably mentioned before, but those are TR Scourge guns on her shoulders, correct?

I really wish those gauntlets were a different colour than the forearms. I still have issues with these proportions. And I think the combiner torso is super lame, especially how the head is basically the same as her normal head. At least Starscream had that crown to give it a different look.

Hot on the heels of the in-hand images of Power of the Primes Voyager Hun-Gurr from Wave 2, we have more photos to share - this time of Hun-Gurr's wavemate, Elita-1! These images come to us thanks to user RickyLeeSTF on the TFW2005 boards.

Despite sharing a mold with Starscream from Wave 1 of the line, these images show us that she possesses quite a few changes from her mold-mate. The robot mode's silhouette is similar but otherwise a lot of the detailing looks fairly different, be it due to molding or color decisions. Even her jet and combiner modes are distinct from Starscream's, not least thanks to the changes to her wings. Speaking of her combiner-torso mode we can also see, for certain this time, that Elita-1's combiner head is more or less just a larger (albeit ever-so-slightly stylized) version of her own robot head; not even the addition of a crown like Starscream's graces the design.

What are your thoughts on Elita-1 based on these images? Does you like her better, worse, or the same as Starscream? How many stickers is too many stickers? Sound off in the Energon Pub Forums, and as always stay tuned to Seibertron.com for your daily requirement of Transformers news!

If you remove the bulk of her forearms, and gave her some new weapons that aren't on her shoulders, then I think she might make a good figure in bot mode. Jet mode is still too similar to Screamer, and I don't plan on using her in a similar looking torso mode yet.

Acesmcgee wrote:I'm sure it was probably mentioned before, but those are TR Scourge guns on her shoulders, correct?

Incorrect.



They are somewhat similar in shape, but mostr accessories like guns can't be freely switched out between figures due to the parts gang-molded with them.

Quantum Surge wrote:If you remove the bulk of her forearms, and gave her some new weapons that aren't on her shoulders, then I think she might make a good figure in bot mode. Jet mode is still too similar to Screamer, and I don't plan on using her in a similar looking torso mode yet.

Agreed on all accounts!

william-james88 wrote:I really wish those gauntlets were a different colour than the forearms. I still have issues with these proportions. And I think the combiner torso is super lame, especially how the head is basically the same as her normal head. At least Starscream had that crown to give it a different look.

Agreed on most of these points, and yet... I'm really digging Elita-1 actually! I probably won't be a huge fan of the combined mode, and jet mode is likely gonna suck for me once I actually get it in hand, but that robot is really appealing to me right now! I mean, some of it might be the comparison to Screamy McScreamFace that's making her seem so good, but I dunno, something about the little design changes just works perfectly for me so far

The proportions dont bother me as much as their did with Starscream.
It might because of the head position.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:The only problem I have with Hun-Gurr's torso mode is that the stickers for the sides of the combiner chest are a terrible color match for the purple paint used. That's a double fail, for me. They should have just painted those parts to match the rest of the chest if they couldn't get the stickers to even look close to the right color. I bet there are deco artists at Takara Tomy right now who are just loosing their **** over these compromises, lol!

Elita-1 looks fantastic, though. At least her stickers seem to match the colors of her plastics and paint apps fairly well. I love the sculpting too. She's got so much character! She's a much better use of the base mold/engineering than Starscream. Here's hoping we get Greenlight and Lancer in 2019 to round out the cast of Season 2 Female Autobots, A.K.A., Alpha Trion's Angels.

Pretty sure the stickers on the necks of the dragon mode (those ones, right?) are supposed to be red, why? dunno, but, they look to be red, and don't seem to have been intended to blend in with the purple paint

The red color seems to come from old sticker details from the G1 toy on the sides of the beast mode necks. I still think Hasbro should have gone with purple to complete the color and shape of the original combiner mode chest. Having red detailing on the sides of the combiner chest is something that's accurate to neither the G1 toy nor the G1 cartoon. For a combiner, I think the most important consideration is the accuracy of the combined mode, not the alt mode. They could have used purple stickers (or better yet, paint!) for the beast mode necks and I bet no one would have complained one bit.

william-james88 wrote:I really wish those gauntlets were a different colour than the forearms. I still have issues with these proportions. And I think the combiner torso is super lame, especially how the head is basically the same as her normal head. At least Starscream had that crown to give it a different look.

Basically the same? They're only vaguely the same. The combiner head doesn't even have the round things iconic to Elita-1, instead she has a bunch of lines and doesn't seem to be based on anything specific.

I think the thick arms are like one of those exercises in perception where you either see an old lady or a young woman in a picture. It's clear that there's a group of people that can't see the armor on the arms of Starscream and Elita-1 as anything but part of the arm because of the color, while another group (that I'm a part of) has no problem seeing the extra armor as separate from her actual arm. I'm guessing the designers saw it that way as well, otherwise they would have sculpted (or even painted) a thicker line between the two parts.

Emerje

I like it. I'm surprised they went with a Sukhoi 37 for the jet, but it's a nice surprise; Russian aircraft are pretty cool.

Wolfman Jake wrote:They could have used purple stickers (or better yet, paint!) for the beast mode necks and I bet no one would have complained one bit.

Better yet, red on the outside of his legs/dragon necks (which appear on Abominus' back) and purple on the inside so they appear on Abominus' chest. This way you get accuracy in all modes. If we're lucky ToyHax will correct this.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I really wish those gauntlets were a different colour than the forearms. I still have issues with these proportions. And I think the combiner torso is super lame, especially how the head is basically the same as her normal head. At least Starscream had that crown to give it a different look.

Basically the same? They're only vaguely the same. The combiner head doesn't even have the round things iconic to Elita-1, instead she has a bunch of lines and doesn't seem to be based on anything specific.

I think the thick arms are like one of those exercises in perception where you either see an old lady or a young woman in a picture. It's clear that there's a group of people that can't see the armor on the arms of Starscream and Elita-1 as anything but part of the arm because of the color, while another group (that I'm a part of) has no problem seeing the extra armor as separate from her actual arm. I'm guessing the designers saw it that way as well, otherwise they would have sculpted (or even painted) a thicker line between the two parts.

Emerje

I'd say "vaguely the same" is Hun-Gurr to Abominus. He's a roboman with a visor and a helmet with a little crest-thing (and a long nose and pouty lips), and his face is purple. Elita-1's heads share the same basic silhouette, the same color layout, the same eye shape and color even (which I think actually matters a lot when it comes to heads and faces looking similar). The biggest differences I can see are the single pointy bit on top of the combiner's head, and the lack of circles (which personally I'd never seen noticed before now, let alone would I call them iconic). I stand by my own assessment of the combiner head being a "slightly stylized" version of Elita's own.

Elita's arms I can see either way if I try hard, but for me what makes them okay is that at least her hands are a different color. Starscream really bothered me with his all-one-color forearms that made him look like the Hulk had ingested a can of spinach, but with different-colored hands I can see the forearms as big bulky gauntlets instead of just being giant forearms.