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Why are you using the specs of a different Starscream from a different universe in a different continuity that has different rules to apply data to this Starscream?Cyclonus43 wrote:It's on the interwebs.
According to the Armada video game's instruction booklet, Starscream (in his Armada-era body) has the following statistics:
Height: 19' 7" (15' 1" vehicle mode length)
Weight: 22,050 lbs
Thrust: 28,000 lbs
Vehicle Top Speed: Mach 2.7
I figured it wouldn't be far off, and would also dispose you're theory of them not making pot holes when they walked.
By that logic, I'm frail, yet that couldn't be further from the truth.Cyclonus43 wrote:Yes, "frail", Raf is what 3'2? Miko looks like an anorexic, and Jack is a cross between Ambercrombie and Twilight.
It's not like they were freely picking up Starscream's entire arm off the ground. They were just rolling it over to a different position like, again, a large heavy tree trunk. It was round enough for them to push and roll, but still heavy enough for them to make straining and grunting noises while doing so, meaning they still had some difficulty rolling it.Cyclonus43 wrote:So maybe the writes decided not to write it in like they have for the past 30 years. I still doubt these robots are light enough to have children moving their parts around....maybe an eyeball or something.
I told, he gave into peer pressure from multiple angles, but learned from his mistakes. You forget that he's a teenager. Not exactly the most perfect little angels among human beings.Cyclonus43 wrote:And his racing with Bumblebee?
Would you rather the humans be written as incompetent fools instead of rational thinkers who know how to make the best use of what they're good at?Cyclonus43 wrote:Though I give you the point that he does learn over time. My problem is more with what they've been able to do, rather than who they are altogether. Raf I can understand as a computer nerd, but some of the others are a little far fetched.
Doesn't mean he didn't know how to use it.Cyclonus43 wrote:He lost it didn't he?
Then I guess you simply expect too much from a children's cartoon written towards children and designed to sell children's toys to children.Cyclonus43 wrote:Exactly why I feel the writers made him look dumb, in the end, they made ALL the Decepticons look weak, frail and cowardly. Who can ever think a group like that is EVER a threat????
Soundwave isn't God. He has just as many weaknesses and faults as anybody.Cyclonus43 wrote:Now you're just showing off, or that you're using your brain the wrong way![]()
Then why else would he turn around so slowly instead of of immediately? In-universe reason, not simply "because the writers made him".Cyclonus43"So you're just assuming it'd be the same?[/quote]It's the same guy, in the same continuity, and show never gave contradiction to his earlier life. Hasbro's viewpoint of continuity is less "making things match up" than it is "avoidance of contradiction", and the latter of which can apply to Soundwave with little difficulty.
[quote="Cyclonus43 wrote:I wouldn't mistake "calm" for "calculating".
At what point did the Decepticons talk about the Shadowzone on the ship back in the episode 15?Cyclonus43 wrote:Except they mentioned it ON the ship.
Maybe he figured, since he had already done that trick, Miko might've been prepared for it, and could have jumped over it to tackle Soundwave. So opening it in front of him blocked her out from all directions.Cyclonus43 wrote:One last bit of logic, on why the writers made him look bad. Why didn't Soundwave just open the bridge UNDER the Miko, like he had just done previously?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Maybe he figured, since he had already done that trick, Miko might've been prepared for it, and could have jumped over it to tackle Soundwave. So opening it in front of him blocked her out from all directions.Cyclonus43 wrote:One last bit of logic, on why the writers made him look bad. Why didn't Soundwave just open the bridge UNDER the Miko, like he had just done previously?
The one he opened up under the Wreckers was one they had to run into to fall through. He didn't open it directly under them, but in front of them. Would he not repeat the process the same way for Miko if he were going to?MINDVVIPE wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Maybe he figured, since he had already done that trick, Miko might've been prepared for it, and could have jumped over it to tackle Soundwave. So opening it in front of him blocked her out from all directions.Cyclonus43 wrote:One last bit of logic, on why the writers made him look bad. Why didn't Soundwave just open the bridge UNDER the Miko, like he had just done previously?
Come on dude, Cyclonus43 has a good point. It would be hard to jump off a surface that is no longer there. If a trap door suddenly opened up under you while you were fending off an armed assailant, you're going down and thats all. It doesn't look like the portal takes long to actually be an open gateway from the moment it materializes, since there were so many quick uses of it in the show.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The one he opened up under the Wreckers was one they had to run into to fall through. He didn't open it directly under them, but in front of them. Would he not repeat the process the same way for Miko if he were going to?MINDVVIPE wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Maybe he figured, since he had already done that trick, Miko might've been prepared for it, and could have jumped over it to tackle Soundwave. So opening it in front of him blocked her out from all directions.Cyclonus43 wrote:One last bit of logic, on why the writers made him look bad. Why didn't Soundwave just open the bridge UNDER the Miko, like he had just done previously?
Come on dude, Cyclonus43 has a good point. It would be hard to jump off a surface that is no longer there. If a trap door suddenly opened up under you while you were fending off an armed assailant, you're going down and thats all. It doesn't look like the portal takes long to actually be an open gateway from the moment it materializes, since there were so many quick uses of it in the show.
The Wreckers could have leapt over the one they fell into had they been prepared for it.
I meant that the portal they fell into wasn't underneath them, but ahead of them, meaning that for them to fall into it, they had to keep up their running pace to reach it and fall through it, which they did. Had they stopped running almost immediately after Soundwave opened it, they could have potentially jumped over it to avoid falling through it. But alas, they couldn't react fast enough since they weren't ready for such a trick and so kept running till they fell to their doom seconds later.MINDVVIPE wrote:If they did need to run through the bridge, then it suggests that there is a distance within the bridge that one can occupy without exiting the other side, which creates another flaw in that anyone is is quick enough to turn around can re exit the way they came in.
Assuming its a paper thin gateway, the lack of a surface should be enough to allow the laws of psychics to determine that the empty space underneath the mass that still occupied regular reality should drop through, disregarding any need for anything to have to enter the gateway any some velocity.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Not to mention that, they weaker the foe, the more likely a villain is to toy with them before disposal. The Wreckers posed a greater threat so he got rid of them quickly. Miko was a maggot to him, so he blocked her off to intimidate her and to defend himself from all sides so she couldn't reach him at all. A classic sadistic villain trope.
Mindmaster wrote:Cyclonus43 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:What places give his weight?
Also, "frail"? Really?
It's on the interwebs.
According to the Armada video game's instruction booklet, Starscream (in his Armada-era body) has the following statistics:
Height: 19' 7" (15' 1" vehicle mode length)
Weight: 22,050 lbs
Thrust: 28,000 lbs
Vehicle Top Speed: Mach 2.7
Okay, let me stop you right there. That is a completely different version of Starscream. Just because the Armada game booklet gives readings on a Starscream, that doesn't mean that any and all Starscreams share the same statistics.
Sabrblade wrote:Had Soundwave repeated the same trick with Miko, she might have been more prepared for it and more ready to jump over it since Soundwave would be just repeating himself instead of diversifying his tactics to make himself less predictable and thereby trickier for Miko to defeat.
Cyclonus43 wrote:Mindmaster wrote:Cyclonus43 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:What places give his weight?
Also, "frail"? Really?
It's on the interwebs.
According to the Armada video game's instruction booklet, Starscream (in his Armada-era body) has the following statistics:
Height: 19' 7" (15' 1" vehicle mode length)
Weight: 22,050 lbs
Thrust: 28,000 lbs
Vehicle Top Speed: Mach 2.7
Okay, let me stop you right there. That is a completely different version of Starscream. Just because the Armada game booklet gives readings on a Starscream, that doesn't mean that any and all Starscreams share the same statistics.
Okay, let me stop you right there. If you read the rest of my post instead of just selective reading to try and jump on something I said, you'd notice I said "I figured it wouldn't be far off, and would also dispose you're theory of them not making pot holes when they walked." Why that doesn't say to you that I understand their not the same one is beyond me. But I do assume they are probably similar. An F-16 ALSO weigh 20,000 pounds. What would your guess be? An F-16 ALSO weigh 20,000 pounds.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Cyclonus43 wrote:As much as I would love to continue responding to these posts, I'll leave it at this.
I understand it's made for kids, that was never in doubt. My point is that the kids were too much, and the Decepticons were once again made to look like bumbling idiots in the end. Why they can't let them have a more honorable end, I will never know. And before you all jump on that, I KNOW THE DECEPTICONS AREN'T HONORABLE. I would just prefer them to go out on their shield in a fair fight, rather than some ridiculous circumstance ending it.
1. How much do you think Starscream weighs?
2. It was episode 50, not 15 where they mentioned the bridge on the ship.
3. No matter how you slice it, Raf is still tiny, Miko is still anorexic, and unfortunately Jack is still twilight-ish. Lucky for then that you were drawn by a better artist.
To Pryme Striker and Sabrblade, thank you for the information and the debate.
To Mindvvipe and Switchfire thank you for the support.
viruscarnage wrote:Come on I don't get any love for my earlier posts? Lol
And I will add this about the arm moving thing, when I was 16 Me and my brother who was 13 at the time were able to move a car parked in neutral with difficulty, which would probably weigh maybe 2,000 pounds which is probably as much as that arm would weigh if you go by Armada Starscream build most o the weight would be on the chest, with the arms have little weight. It wouldn't be that illogical to think that 3 teens wouldn't be able move a round arm, of course we haven't seen how strong Jack is either. For all that we know he could he at the gym 5 days a week and could push that arm by himself. Now take this with a grain of salt as it is the Internet and for all you know I could be lieing (which I am not).
Another thing about Starscreams weight is it possible that in a show that features devices capable of creating anything from raw material and essentially teleporters( space and ground bridge) would it be possible that Starscream only needs the frame for the jet to function, this is a serious question and not a smart a$$ remark.
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