The Decepticons are in for the fight of their lives when their long-standing fortress comes under the unexpected attack of the vengeful Autobots, who are being led to an anticipated victory by a new and courageous member of Team Prime.
MINDVVIPE wrote:Oh just die already you weak autobots. Shockwave AND Megatron AND Soundwave AND Starscream plus a ton of insecticons against a bunch of baseless, leaderless autobots... For once, I would like a realistic end in which the obviously superior force dominates without some pansy, lucky chance, perfectly-setup win. Add the fact that theres "Predaking", come on... an autobot win would be simply for the sake of a happy ending. Arg, damn toons for kids, ignoring the subject matter of which they set up in the first place.
MINDVVIPE wrote:Oh just die already you weak autobots. Shockwave AND Megatron AND Soundwave AND Starscream plus a ton of insecticons against a bunch of baseless, leaderless autobots... For once, I would like a realistic end in which the obviously superior force dominates without some pansy, lucky chance, perfectly-setup win. Add the fact that theres "Predaking", come on... an autobot win would be simply for the sake of a happy ending. Arg, damn toons for kids, ignoring the subject matter of which they set up in the first place.
MINDVVIPE wrote:Oh just die already you weak autobots. Shockwave AND Megatron AND Soundwave AND Starscream plus a ton of insecticons against a bunch of baseless, leaderless autobots... For once, I would like a realistic end in which the obviously superior force dominates without some pansy, lucky chance, perfectly-setup win. Add the fact that theres "Predaking", come on... an autobot win would be simply for the sake of a happy ending. Arg, damn toons for kids, ignoring the subject matter of which they set up in the first place.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Cobalt Prime wrote:Well, that being the case, you would probably love the Japanese G1 followups as well as the two Japanese Beast Wars series then. I understand that the heroes frequently get killed off at the end of these.
MINDVVIPE wrote:Cobalt Prime wrote:Well, that being the case, you would probably love the Japanese G1 followups as well as the two Japanese Beast Wars series then. I understand that the heroes frequently get killed off at the end of these.
Hmmm.. I wouldn't mind checking these out then, if theres english subtitles...
You guys are right about the Cons not actually being active in their role as bad guys, just sort of passive, and letting Vehicons and Starscream consistently fumble things up. I swear, if Megatron did everything himself, they would all be dead. Instead he sits back and lets the others mess things up, haha. Anyway, Now that I'm sober again, I can take the show for what it is. I would like to see Prime die, just because it would be the minimal show of them not trying to be all wimpy and biased to the good guys (even though he's died a ton before, it doesn't mean much anymore). Now when Dinobot died in Beast Wars... that was a death!
Delta Magnus wrote:I haven't watched a single episode of Transformers Prime thus far. Maybe I should. Where can I watch it online?
Varia31 wrote:Delta Magnus wrote:I haven't watched a single episode of Transformers Prime thus far. Maybe I should. Where can I watch it online?
You can find it all on YouTube. If you have Netflix Instant streaming, it has the entire first two seasons. Season 3's episodes are still being put up on YouTube as they air.
Peter Cullen wrote:: In Season 3, there are times when Optimus Prime is really being kicked around, and he makes it back. Despite all the trials and tribulations, he gets back on his feet, which is a great message. Always coming back. Always surviving. Always being strong. Always being your best.
If they're so weak, why have they always won nearly every battle minus the season 2 finale?MINDVVIPE wrote:Oh just die already you weak autobots.
Hasn't done anything.MINDVVIPE wrote:Shockwave
Got bested several times in the past.MINDVVIPE wrote:Megatron
Stays home most of the time.MINDVVIPE wrote:Soundwave
Is the show's (lovable) butt monkey.MINDVVIPE wrote:Starscream
Who drop like rocks when in large numbers (they only seem to be strong when they're by themselves).MINDVVIPE wrote:plus a ton of insecticons
In other words, you want to watch something miserable, depressing, discouraging, and other such terms of dispair.MINDVVIPE wrote:For once, I would like a realistic end in which the obviously superior force dominates without some pansy, lucky chance, perfectly-setup win.
And? If you don't want that, you're dealing with the wrong franchise (unless it's Shattered Glass).MINDVVIPE wrote:Add the fact that theres "Predaking", come on... an autobot win would be simply for the sake of a happy ending.
And which shows would these be, exactly? I've seen The Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, and Zone, and know about Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo, yet none of those are the death-fests you've described.Cobalt Prime wrote:Well, that being the case, you would probably love the Japanese G1 followups as well as the two Japanese Beast Wars series then. I understand that the heroes frequently get killed off at the end of these.
But, the show already had Ratchet be found._Anshin_ wrote:I'm with you for realism, but if we are going to nitpick we should at least wait and see if smokescreen become Rodimus or if they are doing the lights out bit just to string us along till Ratchet is found.
Thank goodness they had Jack to keep everyone level-headed.ARCTrooperAlpha wrote:Too true. I personally hate the fact that things go to crap when Optimus is gone. I wanted to slap everyone in the Base during the Orion Pax arc. And again, when Ratchet was being whinny.
Because all they ever fight are wimpy cannon fodder lookalikes most of the time.ARCTrooperAlpha wrote:For f***'s sake, how the hell do you ppl survive as a guerilla unit ??!!! YOU GUYS AREN'T THE EQUIVALENT OF THE SITCOM DAD'S ARMY !!!!!
At this point, the Autobots need all the bodies they can get, as any of them dying this early would make it harder and harder for the writers to write in a victory for the Autobots without bringing in even more new guys.PrymeStriker wrote:(praying for these two to finally die, but not getting my hopes up),
In other words, "Autobots wage their battle to destroy the evil fortress of... the Decepticons."PrymeStriker wrote:Kay, sounds like I may be bored through this episode.
Only differences being that, unlike Hot Rod, Smokescreen is clever, resourceful, and skilled, being able to undo any jam he's in on his own without help, as well as actually putting his rashness and recklessness to good use that proves to be beneficial in the long run.frogbat wrote:The episode further shows how much smokescreen was based off hotrod's character and story arc...
So glad to see someone not being comparaing him to Drift. Look people, just because he has swords and works alone doesn't make him a Drift expy.frogbat wrote:Wheeljack similarly appears to be based off springer, I miss wheeljack as the mad scientist, he could've come up with most of the devices that are the relics. "who made shoulder pads in charge.." loved that
The Headmasters, Masterforce, and Victory have all been released in subbed DVD form three times (UK, Australia, and U.S.), as well as fansubbed by TV-Nihon.MINDVVIPE wrote:Hmmm.. I wouldn't mind checking these out then, if theres english subtitles...
Ratchet, Bulkhead, and Bumblebee all fought him together at the beginning of season 2 without holding anything back, yet he couldn't kill the three of them (nor could they kill him either, though).MINDVVIPE wrote:I swear, if Megatron did everything himself, they would all be dead.
Just like many past Megatrons.MINDVVIPE wrote:Instead he sits back and lets the others mess things up, haha.
When has there been a TF cartoon that didn't favor the good guys? Isn't that kinda the whole point of the brand's media. To send an uplifting message that, "No matter how bad things get, good can and will triumph over evil"?MINDVVIPE wrote:I would like to see Prime die, just because it would be the minimal show of them not trying to be all wimpy and biased to the good guys (even though he's died a ton before, it doesn't mean much anymore). Now when Dinobot died in Beast Wars... that was a death!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Well, with how dark this show is, if the cons did wind up winning, it would be very depressing, indeed.MINDVVIPE wrote:Fair points, but I disagree on it being "depressing" if the bad guys actually show they prowess in less of a... OHP, last moment change like when rocky fought Dolph lundgren. The comics aren't depressing and full of despair, yet the Decepticons don't constantly get pwned like they do in the toons. Same franchise, different stories.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Delta Magnus wrote:Varia31 wrote:Delta Magnus wrote:I haven't watched a single episode of Transformers Prime thus far. Maybe I should. Where can I watch it online?
You can find it all on YouTube. If you have Netflix Instant streaming, it has the entire first two seasons. Season 3's episodes are still being put up on YouTube as they air.
Thanks. I might give it a go.
Sabrblade wrote:as any of them dying this early would make it harder and harder for the writers to write in a victory for the Autobots without bringing in even more new guys.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
PrymeStriker wrote:Sabrblade wrote:as any of them dying this early would make it harder and harder for the writers to write in a victory for the Autobots without bringing in even more new guys.
So, bringing in more new guys is a taboo now, therefore they can't kill anyone off?
Sabrblade wrote:frogbat wrote:Wheeljack similarly appears to be based off springer, I miss wheeljack as the mad scientist, he could've come up with most of the devices that are the relics. "who made shoulder pads in charge.." loved that
So glad to see someone not being comparaing him to Drift. Look people, just because he has swords and works alone doesn't make him a Drift expy.
Hasbro even admitted at BotCon 2011 that Wheeljack's personality wasn't based on Drift, but that of the typical lone warrior type common to many forms of fiction.
I mean, having them killed off so soon would feel hollow and meaningless, with new guys who we've never seen before having to come in and take their place. Think like how Transformers: The Movie just mercilessly killed off many fan favorites and replaced them with abruptly added newcomers.PrymeStriker wrote:Sabrblade wrote:as any of them dying this early would make it harder and harder for the writers to write in a victory for the Autobots without bringing in even more new guys.
So, bringing in more new guys is a taboo now, therefore they can't kill anyone off?
The arguments are that Wheeljack is directly based on Drift and no one else. He's "Drift in a Wheeljack's body", "Driftjack", "Drift-knockoff Wheeljack", "looks like Wheeljack but acts like Drift", etc. etc.datguy86 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:frogbat wrote:Wheeljack similarly appears to be based off springer, I miss wheeljack as the mad scientist, he could've come up with most of the devices that are the relics. "who made shoulder pads in charge.." loved that
So glad to see someone not being comparaing him to Drift. Look people, just because he has swords and works alone doesn't make him a Drift expy.
Hasbro even admitted at BotCon 2011 that Wheeljack's personality wasn't based on Drift, but that of the typical lone warrior type common to many forms of fiction.
Drift is based off the many of the same lone warrior stereotypes, making yours and Hasbro's arguments invalid. I like the Springer reference much better.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
The arguments are that Wheeljack is directly based on Drift and no one else. He's "Drift in a Wheeljack's body", "Driftjack", "Drift-knockoff Wheeljack", "looks like Wheeljack but acts like Drift", etc. etc.datguy86 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:frogbat wrote:Wheeljack similarly appears to be based off springer, I miss wheeljack as the mad scientist, he could've come up with most of the devices that are the relics. "who made shoulder pads in charge.." loved that
So glad to see someone not being comparaing him to Drift. Look people, just because he has swords and works alone doesn't make him a Drift expy.
Hasbro even admitted at BotCon 2011 that Wheeljack's personality wasn't based on Drift, but that of the typical lone warrior type common to many forms of fiction.
Drift is based off the many of the same lone warrior stereotypes, making yours and Hasbro's arguments invalid. I like the Springer reference much better.
bvzxa wrote:I really don't see Prime dying...too obvious. I really think Smokescreen is going to use the forge and fix Prime
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